BGA Venting Thread ;)

You mean that you "can" pay more for less, but you definitely don't have to and shouldn't. Paying more for Alienware than for Clevo is the norm though ;-) P775 is available with 1060 / 1080 / 1080 btw.

I know you're not suggesting here that Intel are to blame for this specific circumstance, but I'm not sure if can be attributed to Intel - if people do pay more for less, we can attribute that to either the customer's requirements/decision or to the laptop manufacturer's marketing.

Meaker's example is a lot more accurate as a comparison;-)

Yup, tbh it's a crazy price but for that you would expect the best of the best, which means LGA CPU. I mean, a 21" laptop with that weight isn't portable so there's no argument around weight or battery life to stick with BGA, but they don't have a production line with LGA CPU laptops so....

 

To be fair I don't think anyone is buying a machine like that as an enthusiast as such anyway.

 

are acer gaming laptops manufactured by Compal? Inventec?

edit
http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/i...assembly-internal-photos-and-upgrade-options/

 

They probably use a couple of suppliers given their size.

 

Quanta, Compal, Pegatron, Wistron (which used to be the manufacturing arm of ACER)



EDIT - for reference more information here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laptop_brands_and_manufacturers#Major_brands

 

is pcb motherboard colour a peculiarity of an ODM?

 

Not necessarily, unless it was bright green with red stripes (not that this exists AFAIK) then you can't tell ODM by MB colour. Is it so important to know? ;-) Fact is, the product is approved and branded as a manufacturer, not as the ODM - so ultimately you can't draw parallels from quality or performance directly to an ODM because they produce a hige variery of chassis and designs - based on the brand's requirements.

Guess it's an interesting topic nonetheless.

 

I was really curious about what ODM Acer used for thar predator 21x. why not asking clevo?!

this is the 21x


I asked about pcb colour because I saw a green motherboard in a predator 15


and in a Nitro 5


and aspire a717


and in a vx5


All these models have rams one above the other, similar fans and heatpipes



Acer VN7 nitros are totally different (blue)


and this other is a dell 9560 made by compal and there are some similarities IMO


may be compal's colour is blue?

 

Green and blue are very common colours as they are some of the cheapest. Black is more expensive.

 

are you serious? why black is more expensive??

 

The coating tends to be trickier to work with.

 

is that pcb the same used for mxm gpus?

 

Yup. Green is produced in the highest quantity so it's cheaper to buy the polymer resin which is silkscreened onto the pcb as the solder mask. It's also easier to work with by eye and the optical calibration machines work better with green background than most other colours.

Due to the dye materials used for different colours, the webbing figure is also different. It's higher for black than green and blue, rated usually from 3 to 7 thousandths of an inch. The lower the webbing figure, the more densely you can pack lanes onto a pcb.

Also it's more environmentally friendly as black usually contains cobalt.

 

so a black card needs less surface of pcb than a green card for the same number of lanes?

 

Opposite technically though it can depend on the technique and exact materials used.

PCB construction is a field in and of itself.

 

No, more, I think.

 

may be that is the reason why desktop motherboards tend to be black?

 

It will be aesthetics outweighing the cost implications most likely.

 

I fix it for you I can't get it with other Gpu model than 1080 here home. The options is limited. But this is not a problem

 

^^^ Yup definitely on desktop MBs it's aesthetics over price on the high end boards, but low end boards it's price price price.

Nooooo, I thought everyone offered 1070 and 1080 in this chassis :-(

 

Maybe due to some decisions the desktop systems do end up making total sense to you and that's fair enough. For most of the market however that's not true.

 

? Was that to me

 

yep, war time

 

Tbh I just didn't understand his point or who it was aimed at ;-)

 

Yeah Meaker's random like that lol

 

It was at Papusan commenting on the state of his local market, making a conclusion based off of that and then applying it to everyone world wide.

 

Well i have found info that not long ago Acer used Pegatron ODM but since 2018 they have switched towards Quanta Computer (they make for example HP Spectre and Lenovo workstations and now barebones like Clevo)

 

As others have stated though while some quirks may remain things like PCB and component quality and layout is going to come from the company ordering it.

 

If i keep posting, I would call this the MSI Venting thread. But what exactly is MSI trying to pull on us?
Why did they not release the .109 EC? Test build? or did they do something they dont want us to know about, like...disable hybrid ngreedia power battery drain?
*edit* nope. flashed the EC. Nothing more than more locked down turdbook trash

 

Yet if you tweak that 7820hk just right your gaming would be indistinguishable from a desktop class CPU.

 

but it would be distinguishable when i use my avx2 firefox.

 

Maybe this sticker should be put on the lid, so whenever you buy it automatically void warranty even if just opening the laptop.








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@Mr. Fox @ole!!! @triturbo @Papusan @Phoenix @Ashtrix @Johnksss @Prema

 

omg that cancer heatsink and thin fans

customize that front logo to republic of BGA

 

At least, it is not a TRIPOD

 

Not bad of that's the kind of form factor if you are going for.

 

What irritated me in the msi repair center in Korea is they just slap another sticker on top of the old one that they just voided.

This was for the ge40-2OC my ex has.

Either way I'm glad to not have to fix that machine anymore. Ran so hot that it warped the plastic frame after a couple years of use.

She wanted thin and light though so that's what she got. Meanwhile my used m4600 is still going strong. Would be wonderful if it's discovered that the rx 560 works in it. Sadly the 965m didn't cooperate.

 

best upgrade you can put into that machine would be 2960xm, make it snapy and fast overclock it with throttlestop!

 

No that would be completely asinine.

It overheats as it is with the low watt i7 andaits a haswell machine.

Besides the computer belongs to the ex, shes an ex for a reason.

 

Undervolt sounds like the best option to me

 

i thought u mentioned Precision M4600, not your alienware one.

btw i came from originally a 2630QM to a 2960XM and even temp made a big difference. reason being you can undervolt and overclock higher with 2960xm as it is much better binned than the lower end CPU, reason why they are cheaper and locked to those frequency, cause intel knows those lower end silicon can only run at that level.

 

Well that laptop seems to be dead at the moment so i won't be getting anything for it

 

This is why I'd never ever ever own a high end BGA out of warranty

Replacement 6820hk/980M Alienware 17R3/15R2: AU$1600 (~$1250 USD) - more than its value on second hand market
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/173163254746

 

That is also my main reason, I always buy used machines and then tune to my desire.

 

Here's one that sold in the US for $399...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/YRFN8-Genu...&sd=272664031002&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

 

With used or even new Aw17 with 980M MB you will have to play the 799MHz lottery Or maybe its called Roulette? + the silicon lottery/roulette on top

 

Yeah, all that partz ordering on ebay seems to work out pretty well. I've had good results anyway. If I ever get a bad or more likely wrongly labeled part, it gets returned and refunded. Like anything in life, there is risk.

And, I'd rather risk $399 instead of $1250... shop better, and wait if there aren't any good buys. And, ebay hint, search for completed sales for the item you are looking to buy, that helps set expectations on price, quality, and availability.

 

Brother @Papusan and I have been warning people about those ludicrous part prices since AW betrayed us with BGA filth, but people only hear what they want to. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that this BGA filth is nothing but extremely expensive/unserviceable, disposable, crippled and inferior low performance garbage.

 

Good luck skim through most sales sites and see if you can find 5-8 or maybe 10 used/new ok priced AW15/17 MB (Both Aw models use same MB - Aka it's a bit easier - Whats stand in bios info ain't importent ) with 980M and who contain i7 BGA with normal clocks and not fully 799MHz throttling You will need all +five, test them and pick the one WHO work. Buy only one of them is like the mentioned Roulette

 

Better to buy a LGA CPU and play roulette or just get it binned from Silicon Lottery.
LGA cpu if you get a bad one you can just sell it (don't RMA) and buy another. Or get it pre-binned.

 

@Falkentyne why you buy a bga laptop if you hate bga / and hello people i am new here