BGA Venting Thread ;)

Link doesn't work for me but reading other product forums this weekend I can guess. smh

 

No you are using it wrong of course!

 

well the 6 cores bga buyers gotta purchase a new laptop to go 8 cores now.. assuming theres gonnna be an i9 8 cores. or intel might just do i11 8 cores on BGA and charge another $250+ over their i9 6c SKUs LOL

 

Just throw in new HX moniker for coming unlocked 8 core BGA and we may see the +$1000 price tag And BGA Reworking stations will see a new spring

 

The main issue here is not the whole BGA vs LGA discussion, but how manufacturers implenent it. All your complains against your alienware has NOTHING to do with it being BGA. Even LGA notebooks are absolute garbage, without prema the LGA clevos would powerlimit and currentlimit throttle like some BGA ones, while other LGA haswell notebooks literally went up in flames by having that powerlimit and currentlimit being removed and being used.

You're not complaining about the BGA, you're complaining about manufacturers pulling crap like setting low TDP limits on machines that should be way higher, building cooling solutions that are way to inferior for the hardware, giving you crap performance and bad lifetime of the hardware.

Look no further than the GT 75 from MSI, that notebook shows you how it's done properly. The cooling solution is very good, the overclocking of the I9 is very good, the locked I7 runs at stable 3.9ghz etc. This is what a notebook should look like, not like all the other crap on the market.

The only reason that LGA notebooks seem more powerful is simply because people here have gone far and beyond to mod rediculous cooling solutions while maintaining high clockspeeds only for a couple of minutes at best until the nontebook begs for mercy and breaks down, that's also the reason why you never see any of those claimed "desktop level performance OC 5ghz" clockspeeds on any youtube gameplay videos, because in reality the notebook cannot hold anything near the clockspeeds people promise here. The best I've ever seen a notebook run reliably at is @Mr. Fox 's old Clevo with 7700K @ 4.7ghz.

All the people claiming that their 8700K runs at 5ghz never ever posted any kind of video proof of it, because it can't be done unless you do something extremely drastic to the point where the notebooks basicially turns into a desktop. Every time you see a screenshot how a 8700K runs at 5ghz+ it's mostly on desktop or a very short cinebench run on a ridiculous cooling solution where the temps are still way to hot.

I would like to know tho @Mr. Fox you have modded your P870DM to run a 8700K right? How high could you overclock the CPU reliably without it being to hot? Like what clockspeeds would work out in a game like Crysis 3 or Witcher 3 in novigrad without it begging for mercy?

 

@Danishblunt For the money you'd spend on that GT75, I'd rather spend it on the ASUS GX800. Watercooling 4.6GHz CPU, and Dual GTX1080 SLI with mechanical kb and 4K 18" screen.

 

I don't know much about that model, sadly useable reviews are scarce. The concept sounded very intriguing tho, sadly no coffe lake version yet, but yeah potentially another notebook doing something right. I mean there are notebooks out there which are worth purchasing.

 

You continue as I see. You have still the chance Danishblunt. You never responded back on my question/reply in this thread. FYI. You have still the chance to disprove yourself and learn something. The offer remains unchanged from me. So take the chance now, tomorrow or maybe next week, OK?

Edit. I can lower it to $80-100 bucks. Same as a game cost here home. Thats should be pretty fair. But you will lose them

Otherwise, maybe it's time to STOP post wrong INFO everywhere, OK?
Edit. Probably fake as well https://valid.x86.fr/3ynpju

Sure... Exactly as this

1. 
   Post
   Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake
   Pretty. i9-8950Hk reached 100°C in Msi Gt75 Titan. I wonder how max temp will be in thinner chassis.
2. Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake
   
3. Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake
4. Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake
5. Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake
6. Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake
7. Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake
8. AND MORE WILL COME

 

i'd agree partially, originally my clevo was without prema mod, clevo however does allow more power than 99% of BGA books prior to throttling. due to LGA chips are better binned & paired up with clevo's higher power limit, we can achieve more even with stock bios.

no ridiculous modding done here, adding an extra 5v 5mm height fan barely does anything, only noticeable when under full load with high temps.

im running at 4.8ghz 6 cores 24/7 here, with that fan control from baidu my temps just got even better. 4.8ghz 6 cores was meant for under 80c with default auto fan profile.

i guess i'll show u a 5ghz running dota with videos but then again with 8 cores coming out i'll show that to you instead. right now its summer time so 5ghz is too hot to my liking, anything over 80C is too hot for me.

 

With my new delid 8086k I run 24/7 at 48 x 104 (4992Mhz). It gives my memory a nice little bump too.

 

Dota 2 is meh on CPU, something like AC Origins would be more interesting, again, you say 4.8ghz, write 4.9ghz in your signature and I get absolutely no proof (video etc.)

Meanwhile desktop users run the same GPU on heavy usage @ 5.2 - 5.4ghz depending on silicon
To me it's a wasted socketed CPU, a 8700 non K which only runs around 4.3ghz on all cores is perfect.

 

cause when i wrote 4.9ghz it was winter time. i mean i got this laptop when it first came out and that was around nov-jan. and dota2 is actually pretty graphics intensive, somewhat cpu intensive as well and its probably the only game i play thats intensive.

desktop user who run at those frequency are on water, if you can get a laptop with water cooling or AC cooling you'll have similar results.

 

NO, just absolutely NO. Dota 2 is based on Source 2, my GPU is sleeping in that game. Any Source based game is CPU only and GPU is always asleep.

I mean I'm just asking for a 10min gameplay with an overlay, but you're extremely hessitant about it. I'm positive that if you on Dota 2 (which is CPU intensive but still will only use around ~30%) will already showcase that 4.8ghz is impossible in games such as AC:O and likely even on Dota 2 it will not be happy abnout the thermals, at all, possibly even then thermal throttle. I just want anyone with a 8700K to prove me wrong, which nobody is apparently able to do.

 

How come there is a doubling of frames between 1050Ti and a 1080 using the same processor in Dota 2 if its not GPU based?
Dota 2 Reborn Notebook and Desktop Benchmarks Link
Also forcing people to buy a trash game JUST for the sake of your agument is not a good way of going about it. Not everyone here throws money at all the 'AAA' titles.
Offer a more resonable approach, and be polite about it, have respect.

 

because I got my computer for my needs and not to prove my point. just thinking about it and you would understand at least to an extent. if the LGA laptops weren't much different from BGA books, there wouldn't be a market for it. D900C/F was way back since pre 1st gen i7, almost 11 years ago. people knew about the hardware, it can be upgraded, can squeeze extra performance than most mobile based CPUs.

I mean I don't need a 10 min game play if I could just do one with P95 or XTU bench test which is likely to be more intensive than a game anyway. and tbh 10 mins isn't what I'd call practical use, more like gaming for 3-4 hours.

 

1.25v for me for 5Ghz

 

i bet its the default ac/dc = 0/210 tho. try ac/dc = 1 see what voltage you'll need for 5ghz.

 

You said you had Dota 2, also Dota 2 is free. Not to mention you completely ignore the fact that the only time the 1050TI is inferior is at 4k due to vram, not GPU.

All in all your refusal of doing a small 10 minute video to showcase your claim is true just shows again, you cannot hold the clockspeed even at a low CPU usage game such as dota 2. (badly optimized)

 

we shouldnt have to stress a GPU in order to stress CPU, even the heaviest game would pale in comparison to some of the benchmark tools. also CPU usage also dependent on the workload. you could have AVX workload which would be put more stress on CPU than legacy codes by a long shot, or you can have XTU benching specifically for temperature, there are many ways to go about it. all you need to do is go above the 10 mins which have already been done when machine first arrived to test stability when overclocked.

 

So in a nutshell:
Your "desktop" 8700K can't run dota 2 without overheating on 4.8ghz yet you bash on BGA notebooks. At this point your refusal of uploading a 10minute gameplay/stresstest/anything basicially showcases the problem with your LGA users. Big mouth, nothing to back up.

At this point I'm pretty sure the GT 75 with the BGA I9 would smash your notebook in because unlike your notebook, it actually has good cooling to back the hardware up. BGA vs LGA means nothing, because notebooks cannot keep an unlocked LGA CPU cool.

 

Even if BGA was 10-15% *faster* than an LGA based laptop, I'd never recommend to anyone spend more than $800 on a piece of technology where you have to throw the baby out with the bathwater when something else goes wrong on the board or for the sake of it you wish to try your luck with the silicon lottery on the CPU, and then realize to change a BGA CPU requires you to also change the system's motherboard.

 

Did you read my previus post? I even posted reviews for you from several Msi Gt75 Jokebooks + lower the price (the bet). Why the run and hide all time? You rather prefer continue call people big mouths and or liars/fakers as you did with me? + spreading wrong info about tech on top?

 

CPU being defective is extremely rare, rather the VRM around the CPU would die before the CPU does, unless someone shorts it with liquid metal or does some really terrible overclocking (pushing way to much voltage and amps into it).

Also I tried to purchase a replacement for a P870DMG mainboard and not only is it hard but extremely expensive. I was absolutely suprised when I saw that the pricetag for a P870DMG was slighty higher than an MSI GT 72 board with a 6820HK CPU......

Considering that the 8700K runs nowhere near 5ghz on usage it's wasted and the P870TM is inferior to the GT 75 with the I9, due to inferior cooling. There is absolutely no point going for an LGABook unless you feel like modding the notebook to make it work somehow and enjoy it, most people who want something that runs out of the box at high speeds and want performance, the LGAbooks are around the same ballpark as I9 notebooks.

 

Who said anything about CPU dying? Throughout the years, I've had soldered LAN adapter and audio die... CPU was fine. No reason to change it out (Please don't throw away that baby with the dirty old bathwater).

Who said anything about purchase. I buy the 2 - 3 year extended warranty... You get a new motherboard without losing other components. BGA replacement might mean a new CPU too.

Considering how BGAs now thremal throttle the new i9's at 50C, and you have the issue of a possible repair requiring a motherboard and CPU (let alone soldered video adapters), who would even want to spend more than $800 one of these inferior BGA pieces of junk.

 

@jclausius Could you copy and paste what I put in my two previous posts in your own? Seems this massive lack of knowledge from @Danishblunt will continue.

It seems he only want read some of the post as it’s fits him.

 

Done for your last post. It has a link to your previous post. See below:

Did you happen to read and respond to @Papusan's post on the link it has to his earlier post? Here's the text in case it is blocked or something:

 

so now you're fine with running dota with 8700k and can't wait for 8 cores?

im not sure how you end up with that, but i'll stick to my plan. once i get 8 cores in clevo i'll make a video just for you.

now we shall go back to something more interesting. what happens if GT75 owners want to get 8 core CPU?

 

@Danishblunt just took trolling to a level unseen in these forums.
"an 8700K can't run at 5 ghz". Yeah just like his photoshopped 7820HK @ 5.2 ghz @ 1.270v right?

For the rest of you: GT75 cooling is atrocious. The GPU cooling is completely fine...GPU block cools the GPU, separate VRM block cools the VRM's, that's why you can pump 250W TDP into it without the GPU blowing up.

The CPU cooling is a joke.
Heatsinks are CONVEX. Combine a CONVEX heatsink with a slightly convex CPU BGA slug, and THEN combine VRM's at the top side (next to cores 0 and 2 and 4), and you consistently get hot cores on cores #0 and #2 on almost all samples--the same problem you got with the GT75VR and GT73VR and GT72S. Yes--the exact same heat plate is used from the GT72S (or GT80S). Then combine the overvolting because of MSI using "Loadline Calibration" internally (Clevos and eVGA does not use this), in ADDITION to the VID boost on the input vcore, done from IA AC DC Loadline=1.79 mOhms, which forces standard users to undervolt to remove this effect, well you get the drill.

MSI is a jokebook and a half. Not worth buying any more BGAbooks unless they are light $500 disposable trash books you carry around to browse or do homework on without needing to deal with a tablet.

 

@Falkentyne 8 cores coming likely in october, clevo will probably release another one with 8 cores. time for you to switch bruh

 

me and @Papusan are waiting for GTX 1180 MXM to switch. Pascal is old and boring.

 

Maybe pay for Rework (electronics)Wikipedia.com ? If new BGA chips being released next year, you get your hands on one, the MB and power delivery is able to handle it and you can get mod firmware for it

 

What happens if intel does some BS which makes it prevent upgrading to 8 cores even more after learning that some people made the 8th gen work?

 

Then what is your argument if it isn't the CPU?`You think LGA books dont have soldered parts? You think it's like lego or something??
So what if you lose your CPU with it? Silicon in BGAbooks are always mediocre.

The new I9's do not thermal throttle at 50c. Check out the Alienware section with the I9 (limited to 115W TDP I think) and the GT 75 (200WTDP or unlimited) section with the I9. They run absolutely stable without any issues. What you're refering to is not the issue with BGA, but how some manufacturers implement it. The P775DMG with a 6700K stock would powerlimit and currentlimit throttle to pathethic clockspeeds as well despite it being LGA.

I agree on the whole BGA graphicscard tho, I would love MXM to be a standard, not a feature.

Also no, I don't read papusans post, he is blocked a long long long long time ago, he mostly just posts crap, It's pretty much just spam. Unlike mr.fox (who did act like papusan a while back but changed after he got his desktop), papusan just claims a ton and makes useless screenshots. I've been asking for benchmarks in actual workload, be it gaming, rendering or whatever and never got anything because most people here who brag how they run their LGAbook at high speeds are all talk, with the exception of mr.fox, he provided gaming benchmarks and admitted, that his desktop level performance on a real workload just can't happen, he can reach desktop level in short benchmarks, but something that takes longer it wouldn't handle it. Seeing his 4.7ghz on some gameplay videos (granted it does dip sometimes on 4.2ghz on his crysis 3 vid) was very impressive.

You can see here how I asked just for simple benchmark and still nothing, if you have a 8700K clevo LGAbook, make me a benchmark then, prove me wrong.

 

Seems You live in your own bubble. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-lake-cpus-z390.811225/page-19#post-10774725

You have still the chance to lose $100 bucks + show for everyone your failed photoshopped pict of your oc'd BGA benchmark run.

Spoiler: YOUR OWN WORDS...

Btw. Some info for you... Normally, we all learn something new every day. This is a good start...
Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) - Intel - WikiChip



Edit... https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-conte...8th-gen-intel-core-h-series-product-brief.pdf

 

The problems are many:

• BGA mobile processors are inferior chips (poor samples, not good enough for LGA laptops or desktops)
• Because BGA mobile processors are inferior, they usually require more voltage and run hotter than acceptable... being installed in an anemic chassis exacerbates that problem
• BGA is an impediment to servicing and repairing products that use it (costs a LOT more if motherboard and/or BGA GPU dies... both of which are fairly common failures... CPUs rarely die)
• Notebooks are, in generally, poorly engineered products that are a paradigm of compromise and mediocrity... thermal management, firmware castration, etc.
• The minuscule number of models that are not poorly engineered (maybe 2 or 3 exceptions exist) are still cursed with cancer firmware that causes them to malfunction "as intended" by the idiots that build them
• Without @Prema coming to the rescue, every notebook available for purchase is a broken piece of trash, but fixing that problem alone doesn't help with anything else that is a screwed up engineering abortion
• @Prema is awesome - amazing friend that is as close a brother - but he cannot save the planet from the plethora of broken garbage people are being sold... the war against firmware cancer can't be won by one amazingly talented saint like Brother @Prema
• Not enough people take notebooks seriously, compromise is taken for granted and accepted by most as an unavoidable fact of life, and the bar has been lowered so far there is little hope of that ever being fixed - OEM/ODM just offer lame excuses about their broken trash

I have my own opinions about things and know that not everyone agrees with them. That's fine. The Clevo P870 has no match in terms of performance. With a Prema BIOS it's as good as it gets, and probably as good as it is ever going to get. It's not perfect, but it seems the industry grades everything on a curve now rather than demanding excellence. That's why I am basically done with high performance laptops. It is no longer fun to deal with this endless supply of stupid horse poop and firmware cancer nonsense. You pay more and get less. I can live with pay very little and expect very little, but not pay more and get less. For anyone that truly needs a high performance notebook, the P870 is the only product I will recommend. Anyone that does not need a high performance notebook would be wise to forget about performance and spend as little as humanly possible for something extra cheap that they can afford toss into a dumpster when it stops working or use it until it becomes too old and slow to use any more. Most (not all) people should be able to do everything they need to do with a notebook running a Core 2 Duo, Celeron, Gen 1 Core i7 and integrated graphics purchased used on eBay, Craigslist or the local newspaper classified ads. That's the direction I'm going now. Others should join me in voting no with their wallet. Let's kill all of the loser companies that build trash so there are no trash builders left.

Remember: Good is the enemy of great.

 

less likely for that to happen. but its 99.99% for BGA laptop owners to buy a new laptop in order to get 8 cores. for us, because 8 core is still at 95w TDP, clevo will save every penny and use same chassis/heatsink. if 8 core upgrade doesn't work, i'll buy a new mobo + 8 core, still 1/4th to 1/5th the cost of a new laptop.

 

That is how smart people look at it. Most people are not smart. They are used to wasting money buying a new piece of garbage to get one or two components that they want. And, the people selling them that trash laugh all the way to the bank. I guess if their friends on Facebook are impressed, mission accomplished.

 

I have to laugh, bro Fox. I was out with my dog Ivan The Terrible on the usual daily trips. TODAY... I stopped, had to take a picture of something nasty that was on the road (new phone as you know with better camera). My first thought was this looked very similar as today's Jokebooks. It was a horse poop. Fresh, ugly and smelled as todays Filthbooks


Can you see the similarity?

 

As mr.fox has splendidly noted, the real problem isnt BGA nor LGA, it's the garbage that manufacturers tries to sell us.

The P870 cannot cool the 8700K chip enough to use its potential, so it's essentially wasted in a notebook. BGA CPU's are inferior in terms of siliconj quality because of this exact problem, notebooks cannot use the full potential of an unlocked chip so instead you get a mediocre chip, due to the inferior cooling of the P870DM vs the Asus chimera and GT75 will beat the Clevo LGAbooks because clevo is no different than other manufaturers who are way to lazy do to anything and recycle last gens solutions so they can mess up even more.

Clevo could make the fastest notebook, any manufacturer could, but they don't care, way too much work for a niche.
All Clevo has to do to stay on top is:
- vapor chamber on CPU
- 2nd fan
- add couple more heatpipes
- proper non garbage fan control
- proper drivers
- non garbage support.
- non garbage keyboard

Yet we live in an age where ignorance and delusion will keep making this market more and more garbage. Clevo gets away with their cheap and lazy ways because people like Prema and John are trying to fix their crap making it more bearable, while other manufactruers refuse to let an I7 run at full speed.

If people would finally stop purchasing the garbagebooks, stop defending garbage and simply reufse to upgrade until they purchase something that isn't crippled, then we would get way more good notebooks such as the GT 75, it is to date the only notebook that doesn't throttle the I9 by power limit and doesn't compromise on the TDP on their GTX 1080.

reviewers should step up their game and do proper reviews, presenting technical problems. Fanboys should stop ignoring the flaws of their notebook and start complaing so that the manufacturer will improve on it.

No wonder the desktop communnity is laughing at notebook users. Hell people in overclock forums are actually laughing their asses of people like papusan who post useless screenshots such as one from a CPU-Z running at some 5ghz clock saying stuff like "nice 5ghz on desktop" or "nice screensaver 5ghz". Whats the point if you cannot run it 24/7? Exacly, there is none.

In the end the notebook community had potential, looking at those good old alienwares and MSI notebooks, they had potential. It could have been something, but reviewers and deluded people defending faulty garbage made it where we are now. We get "I9" cpus that are worse than I7 CPU's, we get castrated maxq cards, firmware limitations which are ridicolous, cooling that cannot handle the hardware so it can die in a couple of years.

 

This is the second time. Why do you keep putting words in my post?? Where did I say that the soldered on LAN ports or audio encoders were lego components that could be swapped? In most cases, the repair shops I've dealt with replace the motherboard for these kind of repairs. However, unlike BGA, if the mobo gets swapped at least with LGA technology you get to keep your CPU, memory and video (if mxm).

With BGA, 100% agreed! Thank you for providing another point in favor of LGA, with a LGA laptop you'll get a nicer binned component in the CPU.

In THIS we can agree. I hope Clevo is getting the picture. It is one of the reasons I skipped a DTR in the last 3 years. It is foolish to guess at their motives, but yes, their end resulting products need improvement.

Again, we agree. It is one of the reasons I switched to the Mini, Mobile ITX. I'm not handing over hard earned money for a solution that doesn't meet MY requirements. Clevo needs to engineer their way to excellence rather than give us products that have the same problem as everyone else.

 

That would be their mistake. @Papusan is one of the few voices of reason left in our community. People don't like being told their baby is ugly, but the fact still remains that his benchmarks are accurate and his observations about the competing pathetic filthbooks are spot on. I agree with much of the other stuff you posted, but Brother @Papusan is under-appreciated and many people do not understand that what he is doing is a wake-up call to spare people a lot of headaches from buying broken trash as a result of ignorance and gullibility when it comes to the marketing crap (pure lies) they are bombarded with. Most people that own them (including me) have no issue whatsoever with the newer Clevo keyboards. @Papusan and I do not have problems with overheating and thermal throttling with 8700K in our P870DM-Gs. I have a crappy sample in it, so I cannot overclock it. It takes too much voltage and it was just as crappy at overclocking in my water cooled desktop. In fact, that is why it is in the notebook. It is unworthy of being installed in my desktop. Since I don't really need a laptop any more, I don't care about running it stock. (Takes more voltage for 5.0GHz than the 8700K in my desktop needs for 5.4GHz.) I am not spending any more money on notebooks, so the crappy sample will have to do.

At any rate, it's in the P870DM-G running stock and the temps are fine. It does not run anywhere nearly as cool as my water cooled desktop, but it still runs cooler than most laptops with much weaker CPUs with lower clocks and half the TDP, and it does not have thermal throttling or cancer firmware. That sucks. But, those are still wins in a space where wins are few and far between and all of the alternatives are losers. Comparing it to the notebook alternatives, there is no downside that I can identify to the P870. It just blows compared to a desktop and I am fed up with all aspects of the laptop nonsense. It is all in varying degrees and none of it is excusable.

Otherwise, we are in agreement on the horrible landscape in general and every OEM should be ashamed of the garbagebooks they are peddling. It's really pathetic and I cringe to think about people spending lots of money on such poor quality products. Glad I'm done with that nonsense now. There is not a notebook for sale that I actually want any more. But, I hate all of the alternatives to a P870. None of them qualify as good options.

AMEN! Spot on. Choosing from the least of all evils sucks. When there is something better, it's stupid.

It would seem easy for Clevo to smoke their competition. Their competitors only sell trash that is FUBAR'd. All they need to do is pull their head out for a few minutes and gets some fresh air before they ram it back up their posterior orifice again. They could still do almost everything half-assed like their competitors and be ten times better. That's how bad things are with trashbooks.

 

I don't want to sound like I'm cherrypicking the one thing I disagree totally on without saying that I agree with almost everything you say. Clevo's business model is alienating them from the modern consumer who is (by intent or design) more focused on user experience than things like robust quality, flexibility/moddability, ease and cost of upgrades and repair... the kind of things the now $TRILLION market cap Apple puts at zero importance in its products.

But the GT75 is not better or worthy of bragging about, it throttles out of the box despite insanely loud fans just like the P870s do in NBC tests in the same scenario. MSI support is not better (or their ethics over a number of issues over the years). And I think it's not fair to compare a laptop with one GPU to another with two despite them costing about the same (here in Oz anyway), or to compare desktop implementations of 8700K where almost all that are running 24/7 >5ghz are watercooled and the rest have giant aircoolers like NH-D15, vs the comparatively tiny CPU aircooling in a P870.


FYI this CPU right here has to be under a CPU or firmware power limit throttle because it's not thermal throttling. It also heated up parts of its case and keyboard above 50C which is very uncomfortable and almost too hot to touch.

Fact is if pigs fly and the 8 core doesn't work, worst case scenario I have a changeover to 8700K at around AU$100-150 cost to me in what would be a ~50% CPU power upgrade in what is this month a 2 year old laptop

 

I just wish Nvidia would allow a 1080ti in mxm form because the p870 chassis smashes other notebooks in terms of GPU cooling and it would be the perfect partner.

 

Absolutely. That would be awesome.

 

Just talking single card here, all cooling dedicated I bet you could get the chip to near 2ghz clocks 24/7. Put a nice 8 + 2 phase efficient VRM on it with some nice GDDR5x and it would have sung along nicely.

That would be the ultimate form of the chassis for me.

 

I agree with you.

 

though OEM/ODM are selling garbage. BGA is inferior in every aspect except being thin.

 

Some people do not understand that and are not able to connect the dots. Many people run their desktop CPU stock. Even with the crappy average 8700K sample in my P870DM-G the CPU temps are OK running stock. Considering the heat sink was designed for a 6700K, I cannot really complain. I wish it we're a nicely binned chip and the CPU heat sink had more capacity, but it still beats anything BGA when all is said and done.

 

And here is the other brand @Danishblunt say have superior cooling vs. Clevo LGA models.
Same Cooking and boiling i9 BGA junk also in Asus ROG Chimera G703GI. Luckily saved by 45w package power.



Btw. Unlocked [email protected] on all 6 cores (stock clocks) in Msi Gt75 Titan. Sorry I meant [email protected]

 

How Dell handle the"overheating mess"in their Alienware Coffee lake BGA models. Take a visit and see how bad it can be. BGA is designed the way… Meant to die before time or have a short lifespan. But Dell take it a step further. You're all welcome