BGA Venting Thread ;)

A life like that, Meak,
Is what many a people seek

 

It's a beautiful country

 

The GT76 configurations just drive me crazy. I am not sure if it is because they are phasing the original models out with the new 240hz models. I did find the DT-091 and DT-090 on excaliburpc this morning for $2999 and $3499 respectively. I am not sure if that is MSRP but those two configurations make the most sense to me. It seems to be inline with what you would pay for a similar spec Area 51m.

https://www.excaliberpc.com/products/products.html?search=gt76&sort=4

 

Woah, 240hz panels in a laptop? That sounds pretty neat, but even with a 2080 wouldn't you be fighting to get the frames to match the refresh?

 

They're good for esports titles imho. 144Hz or 165Hz is the sweet spot.

 

Those cheap GT76 models are 9700K 8c/8t / 2070's and 9700K/2080's as well, so not the same as the 2080 / 8950HK 6c/12t GT75.

The GT76 2080 / 9900K / new models at that link are selling for $4000-$4600, or about $1000 more than the GT75 8950HK 6c/12t 2080:

 

I figured the 9700k was pretty close to the 8950hk but maybe the gap is larger. Either way $500 is still a big difference. Oddly I do not see a 2080 / FHD / 9980hk config for the GT75.

 

Considering a 45W specified TDP and 6 cores, imo the difference would be noticeable at the very least considering the 2 extra cores.
even with no HT, 8 physical cores will outperform 6 hyperthreaded cores isnt it? the 500$ gap seems huge though.

 

The 12 thread vs 8 thread comes out in benchmarks and multi-app usage, plus given the option I would have opted for the higher core count 8c/16t 9900k in the top optioned models, so again, $1000-$1500 difference as quoted by MSI when there was still 2-3 months before the GT76 models / pricing was made available for trade-in.

And, again, I'd still choose the Titan-013 GT75 over the GT76's for $1000 less on trade-in.

Likely as not, although I haven't asked, the trade-in options for GT75 are now or will soon be the 9th gen i7/i9 8c/16t H , and it looks like MSRP is also $1000 more...

MSI GT75 Titan 4K-247 17.3" Gaming Laptop, 4K G-Sync Display, Intel Core i9-9980HK, NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080, 64GB, 1TB NVMe SSD + 1TB HDD, Thunderbolt 3
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT75-4K-247-i9-9980HK-Thunderbolt/dp/B07Q42ZLMM

That 4k screen model is currently the only i9-9980HK GT75 offered, so I'd still have needed to wait even longer for the 1080p / 1440p model to arrive, sometime months away from now?

That MSI GT75 Titan 4K-247 is still a better choice for me than the GT76's, but I would have had to wait for the 1080p/1440p sku's with less RAM / storage to bring the price down.

Months ago, it's all water under the bridge for me.

 

The 9700k does make a big difference due to that TDP especially in terms of sustained turbo and single core speeds.

 

See... The soldered processors in the Aw17R4, same vintage as above have start it's way to hardware heaven And the TRIPOD heatsink mess doesn't exactly help it to run cooler. Yeah, Planned obsolescence.

Where can I get a 17 r4 mobo?

Yeah, bro @Mr. Fox The Ugly truth about Jokebooks.

I have swapped from 6700K-7700K-8700K and now to 9900K in same old chassis, but not because of dead processors.

 

Truth, yes. But, calling it "ugly" is too kind.

 

I'm not so good in finding proper names in english. I'm too kind

But one thing for sure the soldered Coffee lake processor in newer Aw models won't get longer lifespan than the predecessors with Dell's new touch Aa I said in my previous post... It's Planned obsolescence when the engineers save on costs (not design proper cooling).

 

Your choice of words was perfect Brother @Papusan and it is always better to be too kind than to be unkind.

 

New AW models not designed last more than 3yrs. My M17x R3 from 2011 still works (well...display got plenty of dead pixels but it works). For me 17x R3 was the last easy to maintain model. After that I switched to Clevo P series.

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bga strikes again.

user: cpu/gpu failure, cant replace them.
aw: gotcha!

 

The repair man have so damn correct...

Alienware 17 R3 motherboard fried from heat. Design error? Ultimate Performance power plan may have caused it?

People forget that Cpu's who is forced to run 100°C (due failed cooling design) 24/7 will also affect the MB components as VRM's etc.

 

all designed as planned brother! all so people can keep buying new laptop.

 

And probably jump on same brand again. And it will repite

 

If they do then it’s mostly a older one with a i5-2540M. My E5420 has a socket and can be upgraded to a I7.

 

Yes, most such machines were socketed.

 

Another marvellous own goal from Alienware... m15 R2 constantly hitting 100 C and throttling badly.

"The new model is a complete design overhaul of last year's Alienware m15 R1 that unfortunately feels more like a lateral step sideways instead of a big leap forward." -notebookcheck

Soldered RAM and WiFi card with no upgrade options is a extremely stupid and person who approved this design need to be fired immediately.

 

Posted some thoughts about it in the link below... Same Pig, just with New Lipstick http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...intels-9th-gen-h-mobile.830232/#post-10948379

 

when i showed this to my gf she was sooooo happy that EVERYTHING in her 8 yr old Dell Vostro is upgradeable she recently got a bump from 8 to 16 GB RAM and switched from 7260 to AX200 wifi 8 years old and still going strong!

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He he.. my AW 17x R3 still working. It's now tired looking after years of playing games but still works since 2011.

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Some decent value when you spread it out over that long.

 

So I'm starting to dream about my next laptop which is probably about 2 years from now (um, crossing my fingers lol). For that I would like to move away from BGA systems and look at socketed CPU/GPU laptops.

What is the easiest way to track these models (i.e. across Clevo, MSI, Alienware etc)? Out of curiosity, what do the current offering look like?

Thanks!

-Fred

EDIT:
Okay I think I can answer my own question for current offerings (please correct me if I'm wrong):
MSI: GT76 DT 9SG
Clevo: P750TM-R / P870TM-R
Alienware: Area-51m

 

You start a what to buy thread.

 

Yes, this is a good idea. I started a thread there on the general topic of non-BGA buying options. If anyone wants to contribute that would be great!

 

Going onto our website and looking at NP9xxx series machine is a pretty safe bet.

 

- 20 inch laptop
- duo/tri screen display
- hedt intel/amd cpu
- minimum 16 cores to 32 cores
- giant fat vapor chamber cpu heatsink
- four fans 2-3 cm thick
- ddr 4/5 minimum hexa channels memory
- m.2 for SSD from cpu PCIe lanes
- 3x pcie m.2 slots from chipset lanes
- u.2 or more m.2 slots
- pcie 4/5

only cost $15000, worth

on another note:




looks like desktop users understand what thin garbages are

 

And an mxm slot.

 

Otherwise known as the Homer car

 

LOL!

The power brick on that thing would need to be like 1.6-2kW

 

Also 2-3cm fans is not thinking big enough, to get decent clocks out the HEDT you are looking at a CPU putting out what a whole laptop is at the moment. A desktop one.

 

I'd like to see a portable 1000W Chiller to go with that, GX700VO style.

 

Portable and chiller don't really go together

 

For a while I wondered if it'd be possible to make a DYI portable desktop system with built in display, keyboard etc. Something robust that can fit in the overhead. Has very durable build quaility. Good for the hotel room or anywhere you can plug in

EDIT: Actually, this is kind of what I was thinking of:

https://www.ariesys.com.tw/3-Screen portable workstation/ARP673.htm

 

Suitcase style machines were how laptops started

 

those too small, gotta go big!
http://www.ssiportable.com/products/portable-solutions/spark-s24t/
24 inch minimum or bust

 

Yeah, I remember my uncle having this large suitcase computer with a tiny screen on it. State-of-the-art for the early-80s lol.

The appealing thing is that a nice rugged portable case with a decent display and keyboard supporting a micro-ATX board would be modable, upgradeable and maintainable for a long time in ways that a laptop generally isn't. The downside of course is the size and weight.

I think the laptop solution is the best for the size constraints of even the largest machines like the P870TM dual GPU 17" beasts. But if you're willing to carry something bigger and don't need to run on a battery then there should be another slightly bigger option (maybe not as big as the size of the large suitcases I linked above).

 

Wow, and it only ways 63.5lbs (29Kg)!

Seriously though that is one constraint - air travel The system would have to fit overhead and can't weight more than about 20lbs (some airlines have a weight limit of 15lbs but I would try to avoid these lol). That is pretty limiting, though the mighty P870TM is 12.3lbs so that leaves some room for growth!

There is one suitcase that comes in around 8KGs and has a micro-ATX, but I wonder if it would be possible to cool it enough for a say an RTX-2080 and i9-9900K lol...

https://www.ariesys.com.tw/ARP840.htm

EDIT: or maybe this - military grade portable gaming FTW lol =D

https://portexa.com/products/notepac-iii/

EDIT2: and I guess these guys are selling solutions for people who want this:

https://solutions.nextcomputing.com/products/portable-workstations/edge-d100

 

that last one is a nice find, i'd get it if its 20"+ though. if im gonna go that and lose battery capability then i'll need big screen.

 

@ole!!! - I think you need the Vigor! A little heavy at almost 50 lbs, but it comes with 3 screens and a lot of compute power =D

https://solutions.nextcomputing.com/products/portable-workstations/vigor-eds/

 

Optional 2nd and 3rd swingout 17.3″ HD displays (touchscreen available on 1st integrated screen only)

i like what im seeing bruh. more display plus touch screen. this computer doesn't have mouse/keyboard so touch screen is a good replacement such as laptop mouse pad.

too bad this doesnt come with water cooling means i gotta wait till 10nm+ on intel or 5nm on AMD to throw in a 16+ core cpu.

 

Make it out of aluminium I guess

 

The portable PC for those who prefer to play Call of Duty Modern Warfare on site in Beirut or an ISIS training camp. Immersion is everything.

 

Just had a talk with my chinese friend on wechat when I told him not to buy the MSI GT76 because it has BGA graphics + Optimus. He said it seems like laptops are going backwards and his classmate bought an Alienware 51m and the heat dissipation was terrible.

 

More like GPU and CPU power shot up and cooling has not caught up properly with some manufacturers.

 

Don't know about cooling not having caught up. There hasn't been any major cooling breakthroughs that have held laptop cooling back, as far as I know. Marketing and cost savings for maximal profits are most likely at fault here, parading "full desktop" CPU/GPU" hardware in a light, thin bezel that runs at a constant crispy 100c.

I bet if engineers were the people actually in charge, you'd see a return of proper DTR-books.