BGA Venting Thread ;)

Demand for thinner and lighter machines with as you say no major breakthroughs in cooling tech is causing what you see.

If engineers were purely in charge you would see a lot of bankrupt companies pretty quickly too

 

damn thats heavy! pun intended

aw51m will be fine if they undervolt though. does 2080 allows undervolting?

 

That Asus Mothership, bga 9th gen cpu and rtx 6000 series... really needs to go back to it's home planet.

 

You mean recycled to make LGA motherboard for 10th Gen HEDT or Client/Consumer CPU boards?

 

Well judging from current affairs, it will most likely be turned into a 22nm Haswell-era Pentium

 

I think the biggest disappointment in BGA laptops has been the RTX2080 models. Their performance is just downright sad. And to the average PC gamer or consumer who may go drop $2,000 to $3,000 or more on a nice thin laptop probably doesn’t even realize how underpowered it is.

I though the GTX1080 Max Q in last gen thin laptops was pretty impressive. Especially like the 15” Asus Zephyrus with a 8750H and GTX1080 Max Q. It could easily outpace the GTX1070 desktop class graphics. And if you repasted or used liquid metal and undervolted you could squeeze even more power out of it.

And now the RTX2080 Max Q is performing identical to the GTX1080 Max Q.

I think the gtx1080 was really a legendary GPU. And easily one of my favorites of all the years I’ve been in to PC gaming. I have had several GTX1080's desktops or laptops, several GTX1070's too!

 

G series FTW

 

Ah yes, the good ole' G3258

 

It was not awful at the time, but that was a while ago.

 

You're right, looking back with nostalgia goggles can be risky.

 

They would be better served with the AMD apu series for $50 but I bet intel is basically giving these away to avoid AMD getting into those value machines.

 

Or Maybe put into their fabs to make 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++ BGA junk.

 

They've been in the lead for so long that the good ol' hybris got them.

 

Part of it was over ambition on the new process.

 

But this is a good time to be a consumer, finally some innovation and competition.

 

And no competition. I don’t expect AMD will be able to take a very big piece of the notebook cake.

 

Intel has every incentive to get the new process working regardless I don't think lack of competition was really a driver.

 

After the new Threadripper launch, they have been really pushing 3175x out to overclockers to keep a grasp on the high end. Gonna be interesting what they pull for the 3990x launch.

 

The cupboards are bare at that point, the bga dual chip module basically does not exist.

 

The 10 core stuff is coming next year with lga1200 and 48 core HEDT parts in Q2. But they have nothing at the moment, and you can kinda feel it with the way their marketing handled this new amd launch,

 

I think they hoped AMD would just do a 24 core and that would be it.

 

Very true indeed! But I'm taking AMD based thinkpads as my next BGA for office work! Intel High Core CPUs are good but BGA and lack of long term support which is recommend if Spectre like exploits makes its way again and I'm not going to lose out on performance after uCode patches.

 

Intel still has a lead in power efficiency at 15w vs the zen1 cores on the apus. Even with future patches it's unlikely to be enough.

 

Got a very cheap used Lenovo T440p a while ago.

Has a socketed CPU, got rid of the old i5 4300M and put in a i7 4800MQ with HD4600 graphics. Also got a FHD IPS panel, RAM and an SSD.
Intel has been slouching for the better part of a decade while AMD played catch up. The performance out of this 7 year old CPU is still very much of a modern processor. Even a 7700HQ doesn't have much more on it...

For less than 350$ I got a very robust, upgradeable and fast machine. God I miss regular laptops with socketable components.

 

The 6 core certainly has a leg up but for the price that is solid.

 

Running my t440p for a while now. Works great with the 4980hq and 2133mhz 16GB kit.

 

My little 13 inch has the 4870hq, they are good for day to day stuff.

 

I see your Hardwell and ease you a core 2 duo which I use for programming and SPI flashing on my R61e Think pad the T9500 coupled with 4GB ram and a SSD still is blazin fast on both Linux and Windows.

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I did have my old 5935g (t6400) which I could use for flashing, that has been retired now I have a hardware flasher though.

 

I'm reviving this thread. Seems fitting to release this on April 1st, what a joke.

 

Intel do have a far larger marketing budget so expect more of this sort of thing.

 

That marketing budget needs to go into R&D.

 

They do invest a lot into R&D, I'm not sure more money is the answer on that.

 

You're right, more +++++++++ is.

 

13.36 billion dollars invested in R&D which is over twice the total Revenue of AMD last year. Not a cash issue.

 

Not going for 13.37 billion

 

They need the leadership and focus I think to execute properly.

 

Well I'm curious to see how they've changed the layout for the 10th gen, since it's running crispy hot and needs to shave every possible degree of heat. Apparently the STIM layer is thinner, as well as thinner IHS. I wonder if the die thickness changed as well, since we know that lapping 9900K can drop temps by 5-10c.

 

Nothing is cheaper then recycle old tech Of course Intel doesn't run into cash issues.
Intel Will Likely Recycle Coffee Lake iGPU for 10th Gen Comet Lake CPUs tomshardware.com

 

Only thing the iGPU is useful for is, being disabled and used to spread heat over a larger die area

 

Useful or not, this just shows how Intel saving on costs

And what is better than push the release nearer June? Then delay Rocket release equal https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/i...comet-lake-s)-would-launch-may-27th-2020.html

All this give Intel more time fiddling with 10nm in peace and quiet.

 

They should have released them during winter, so people would have a chance to turn on their PC's for a few minutes.

 

The iGPU can be useful for video encoding and that sort of thing.

 

For Clevos?

 

Not sure about coming Clevo LGA models.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...-power-and-DirectX-12-potential.459102.0.html

“Intel CPUs can boost Nvidia / AMD GPU performance thanks to unused iGPU power and DirectX 12 potential”

 

Yes perhaps for the future models, since our do not have power going to the igpu. So it's kind of useless.

 

Intel try all tricks in the book to stay relevant with it’s 5 years old chips arch vs. AMD’s newer tech. But it will do nothing in pure Cpu computing tasks. AMD with 60% more cores/threads will continue have fun with Intel’s latest and greatest. Intel barely have the single thread crown. The rest is just sad.

 

Just in general.

 

Next up, running iGPU & MXM in SLI

 

I wouldn’t hold my breath for it. People have been touting iGPU+dGPU using DX12 Explicit Multi-Adapter for like 5 years, since DX12 was first unveiled, but outside of Ashes of the Benchmark Singularity, which used the iGPU to accelerate postprocessing, I’m not aware of any other game that used it.