BGA Venting Thread ;)

They work well as a door stop And the magnets inside can be great fun.

 

Don't bash HDD drives Maybe you will stop use it as door stop now Windows 10 May 2020 Update actually feels faster if your hardware is equipped with HDD, which is an old generation storage device that uses mechanical platters Windowslatest.com

 

I don't think Meaker thinks too highly of spinning rust

 

Given how often they are inflicted on me I want to burn them all in a fire.

 

Wouldn't throwing them into a microwave be a better solution? Or is the fire more cathartic?

 

I would not want to waste the microwave on them. My last place of work I purged all HDDs from the building. Working on the new one.

 

Glad to see that we all have our pet peeves.

 

It's the dreaded and now we need to reboot after this change. Let's all go make a cup of tea and wait.

 

And then it hangs during shutdown, lol.

 

I was going to do some maintenance on my on bugbook, change the paste mainly. Until I realized just how much work that it'll be taking that thing apart. No wonder these machines end up burning up in the end.

 

Lol I bothered to screw in the bottom cover a week ago for the first time in 18 months

 

If it was as easy as that, I'd do it every few months. But a bugbook that needs 30 screws removed, because everything servisable is hidden and flipped around. YUK!

 

The old Acer 5935G I had I could teardown in 2 minutes even though it was a reverse side motherboard removal job.

Bit like a rifle in the military at that point.

 

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT76-Titan-10SX/Specification

Soldered graphics again?

 

I see a specification page, not sure how that confirms it or not?

 

Did you not see the part where they declared that they soldered the graphics so that owners who are out of warranty can immediately throw their turdbook in the bin when they need a new motherboard?
Kidding aside after clicking around a bit it looks as if the design doesn't seem to have changed much so I do not see where they would fit MXM graphics.

So this remains the only (outdated) MSI laptop with socketed CPU and GPU:
https://www.msi.com/Workstation/WT75-Mobile-Workstation

 

Yeah, damn sad seeing that people don't have a clue what they jump on. @Mr. Fox @jc_denton @Ashtrix +++

What RAM upgrade is best for Alienware m17?

 

The RGB lure works like a charm.

 

Next RGBW lol.

 

Customer: What RAM upgrade is best?
Alienware: Gotcha!

 

I thought about this some more and I think there should be a mandatory label for each laptop that shows its degree of turdbookness with the highest turd-o-meter rating being reserved to macbooks and imitators and the lowest one to laptops that can be opened and serviced easily both due to good accessibility and non-soldered parts.

I think that an Alienware laptop with everything soldered but the m.2 drives and the battery deserves a very high turd-o-meter rating and maybe that would deter some customers from buying something like that. At least they will know what they are getting into.

I would like to see this information included in the fine print:



in this laptop you cannot change or upgrade parts that are upgradable in similar devices

CPU
GPU
RAM
wireless card


parts that can be exchanged and in parentheses the availability at reasonable prices:

battery (yes)
2 x m.2 drives (yes)



accessibility to these changeable parts takes more than 10 minutes:

this could be parts that are on the other side of the mainboard that can only be accessed by taking out the mainboard or by dismantling the whole top of the laptop



these parts can easily break because of improper design like holding noses:

for example bottom covers



Oh well, would be nice if we could get something like this but I doubt that manufacturers will be interested

 

Money, money money
Signed, Money.

 

New system is best lol.

 

You should work at the Genius Bar

 

"Yep, "water damage""

Great, your hired!

 

LOL, looks like we all have been watching our fair share of Louis Rossmann.

 

Of course, it's quite entertaining.

 

Yup, I came to learn about electronic circuits but stayed for the banter.

 

The advantage with upgradeable laptops vs. the new modern BGA Tragedy... Finished up my processor swap on my Alienware 14, made a HUGE difference


Screwed...
Alienware Dell15 R4 graphics card upgrade...

 

Look like he learned an important computer word, BGA.

 

Brand new system time indeed.

 

Looks like it.

 

Soldered on hardware is a fantastic tech @Mr. Fox @jc_denton @Ashtrix @Falkentyne +++

Bluetooth Issues m17 R2......

"Sending it back to Dell for warranty repair/replacement... so many issues with the particular unit"

 

Somebody is going to defend this idiocy and make excuses for it because that is what fanboys and shills do.

 

BGA is like cancer, slowly spreading from the brain of a soldered CPU onto soldered ram and eventually to rest of the components.

 

Does look like there is enough space (including z height) to put a slot there.

 

How much cost can be saved with soldered on wifi card?

 

You mean How much can you pay for a replacement daughter board?

 

Some I suppose as it's a lot easier to automate.

 

Thanks.
We talk about $2-4 usd ?

 

Soldered wifi is gross.
Pin rips off the connector on the card, RMA the entire motherboard instead of just buying a $20 card and replacing it yourself.
I mean even the antenna can be replaced with a freshly crimped wire from a new antenna if you know how to splice wires (isn't hard with wire trimmers)....

 

Yep. And what's next? Proprietary screws on everything with an EULA that makes you legally liable for to repairing your own stuff?

 

Nope. This is the future

 

I'm not in manufacturing but probably a decent amount as it's really hard to automate things like the M.2 slots screw.

 

A XY gantry and a screwdriver with automatic feeder can handle any m.2 slot screw or any other screw in fact..

My company made a whole assembly line that screws the interior pcb's of a car antenna that has 18 screws and 12 different versions/models.
On a bare motherboard, and working with a conveyor style system you can install and screw the WiFi card easily.
But thats an extra step, not an extra machine, because older/other motherboards still use either m.2 SSD drives or m.2 WiFi cards, so the machine is already there, what this gains them is that its all put in place and soldered down at the same time as other components, and its one less connector and a couple passives due to not having to now pass all the signals over a connector, so a couple less caps and resistors, all that adds to both the cost of the components but also the cost of the pick and place time and reels on the pick and place rack.

So, yeah, expect 3-4$ less PER motherboard, multiply by 1 million now..

 

Screws with warranty void are not actually legal in the US.

 

But there is no need for stickers when you have your own proprietary screws.

 

Meh never stopped people taking Apple devices apart

 

A proprietary screw doesn't buy you anything besides more expensive screws because you can't leverage the whole world using those screws to drive price down.
Because a driver will be in market as soon as the device is, or most of the times, the driver already exists because the proprietary screw is just an obscure screw head..

Like torx was more or less unknown to the masses 10 years ago it was widely used in the auto industry for much longer than that and was invented in 1967, security by obscurity is always a dumb move..

 

I approve of the use of them in things that could kill you like power supplies so people don't just open them without some effort.