BGA Venting Thread ;)

Most BGA laptops only include 1 memory channel rather than 2 so you lose like 40-50% performance in applications that can scale up. 2x2133 performs the same as 1x3200 etc. They're designed to perform worse.

 

Even our new Ryzen u series is equipped with a pair of sodium slots

 

That's a pretty salty comment.

 

It's a slot for all the mobile haters so they don't run out

 

Iwould be damn salty when I have spent the whole day then found out that I'm screwed with what is soldered on to the MB

Looking to replace the killer network card in an m17 R3.

 

This is the biggest pile of BS Dell has produced.

I hang on to dear hope that Dell doesn't pull this sort of shenanigans with the Precision 7000 notebooks—I want my 4 SODIMMs, 5 M.2s, and DGFF slots...

 

Ha, Dell started first to remove 2 slots then thereafter soldered ram in the end for the Alienwares. It will probaly be the same fate for Precision models as well. Next step will be cut down to 2 slots. Maybe Samsung will help out this time as well. Just hope that they are able to push out 64GIG sticks in same way as they helped Dell when they needed 16GIG stick to stop all the complaints when the Gamer kids saw they could only get 2x8GB as max in the first gen AW BGA jokes in 2015

 

lmao. i read the first and last page of this thread. probably some in between over the years. now that apple has come out hard with ARM architecture (though I hate apple dearly, sometimes they help set new bars, not necessarily innovation or revolution) I can only guess it's a matter of time before the market follows suit, but it could be couple years. the thing is, what will OEMs/ODMs do to screw us when everything COULD be on one board and cooled easily but do things to keep things disposable. more glue? or not on one board, but designed to be upgradeable but for ARM. imagine sockets for CPUs, GPUs and ram slots. if half the population doesn't die because of management in the next few years, I am kind of eager to see what innovations come of laptops loaded up with ARM.

It SURE WOULD BE NICE to buy very capable ARM laptops too, but have a battery for thin and light day or the show me how many cells can be fit in this footprint.

 

It's still early days on that, Intel has held back the X86 market for some time so we will see how things go.

 

Intel will with the time offer Hybrid CPU's with big.SMALL cores Cpu design not much different than those you find incorporated on smartphones. Intel's coming High performance Intel desktop processors will be built from phone processors, LOOL

Yeah, the future looks green and the target is power effiency. Not what you hoped for if you prefer real performance increase. But the future looks great for Jokebooks running on battery.

Here's Everything We Know About The Next-Gen Alder Lake CPU Family
The Alder Lake CPUs are not only going to be the first desktop processor family to feature a 10nm process node but would also feature a new design methodology. From what we know so far, Intel plans to include a mix of CPU cores that are based on different IPs. The Alder Lake CPUs will come with standard high-performance 'Cove' cores and smaller yet efficient 'Atom' cores. This big.SMALL design methodology has been incorporated on smartphones for a while now but Alder Lake will be the first time we see it in action in the high-performance segment.

And I'm quite sure Dell also this time will jump on it and destroy the performance with their proprietary DEll Dynamic Power Policy. Jokebooks is here to stay.

Intel 10nm Alder Lake-S 16 Core & 24 Thread Desktop CPU Spotted, Early Engineering Sample Clocked at 1.4 GHz

Intel is already on it. Similar tech. Desktop processors made same way as phone processors.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-alder-lake-s-16-core-and-24-thread-cpu-appears-on-geekbench

 

I keep reading this thread. Things are getting worse and worse. However, there is the EU right to repair law coming in which should force manufacturers to abandon the soldered everything policy.

 

I'd think it would push them towards it.

 

It's gonna be hard when future EU legislation will specifically target laptop designs and specify that you can't solder everything on to the motherboard. I only had limited access to the drafts being prepared, but that's pretty much what they want to do.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2019/640158/EPRS_BRI(2019)640158_EN.pdf

https://www.techrepublic.com/articl...-repair-rules-just-took-another-step-forward/

 

It would be cool if Intel went back to a socket for the 45W parts....

 

But muh thin-and-light...

 

That's what the 15W and 25W chips are for

 

I think the ultra thin laptop market is going to have an upper bound on the price. I mean with no (or limited) reparable, replaceable or upgradeable components you can't justify sinking that much money into the system. This has already happened with cell phones and frankly those laptops are going to look a lot glorified cell phones soon...

It's also hard for me to imagine that there won't continue to be a significant number of people that still want more compute power in their laptop. Pushing the cell phone model doesn't really work with this even if you can fool some people for a few purchase cycles - in the long term it really doesn't work unless high performance computing becomes really cheap.

 

good luck with team intel. asia is well established in single digit nm already.

 

I hope they turn it around after another couple of years of humble pie, don't want the competition to die.

 

Meaker dropping rhymes.

 

Lol I had not even noticed.

 

talent often is

 

Why are people willing to pay hundreds more for a junkbook because it is thin and light? No discrete GPU. And, more expensive than a more capable throw-away, the Legion 5.

 

They are not. This is just Acer trying to skim the market.
Older version of the Acer Swift quickly drop in price: https://tinyurl.com/y5m2dbrk

 

Different strokes for different folks. As long as there are people encouraging OEMs to build over-priced garbage, which appears more trend setting than practical, this is what you will get. Makes it that much harder to see the forest from the trees.

 

3299 dollars, over expensive piece of...., that egpu is interesting but the rest is soldered crap.

 

For that price you can build a decent desktop + a cheap laptop and have the same function of that combo

 

I built my t440p and my sig desktop for about half that price...

 

eGPU is proprietary soldered crap too.

 

Yeah i know but the speed was nice, faster as thunderbolt, but youre right its going to be obsolete fast and dont think asus will let you update it for cheap

 

At least they didn't go fully soldered with soldered on storage. But the rare 2230 PCIe 3.0 ssd size isn't a fantastic engineering choice.

 

That SSD looks like a wifi module.

 

Dell uses them in all their tiny pc form factor machines and maybe some of their latitudes but I'm less certain on that one.

I'm not sure why they always create a cooling bias in a lot of laptops. Just make both fans the same for crying out loud and if it's going to be unified just make it extend to both heat exchangers.

I would love to just tell them some pointers but then I would just be angry about when they pull an about face like Alienware did to our community members here.

 

The wifi is soldered on as the rest At least you can replace it or take out the ssd when you have to send it in for repair.

Dell prefer the M.2 2242 ssd form factor

 

That looks to be accurate, as for the Tiny PC form factor I have for my client in the number exceeding 10,000 units all come with the 2230 but I suspect this was by design for them. When you order over 10,000 units of anything you get to degrade your own machines lol

 

Packaging and the different TDPs usually mean the different fans.

 

This is the state of the times we are in. We have enabled laptop makers to overprice inferior products. Buyers beware has never been more true than now.

 

The sad thing is he says premium but I don't think it means what he think he means

 

Laptops are more sensitive than ever to form factor. Then you'll get others doing... Interesting pricing. Nothing new on that.

 

Does Clevo have plans for a 8 core TGL-H?

 

They will use the full fat mobile cpu yes.

 

If Clevo is not going to do it, someone else will: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop

 

Now all they need is a respectable form factor that can gracefully handle something more than a ho-hum life as a Chromebook. But, the concept is no less appreciable.

 

Been trying to explain it here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-owners-lounge.720323/page-128#post-11059384
At the end of the day, it's also customer demand that determines what companies make and sell.
But my opinion is not that there isn't a significant market for upgradable laptops, like the old M570TU or the P17X series used to be, but rather that consumers don't know about the benefits of these products. You need quite a bit of marketing to push upgradeable products now and Clevo/Sager doesn't really have a marketing budget.

 

That looks promising , it has a chance to succed with us in Europe when the new "Right to Repair Law" will come in effect.

 

Isn't it just wonderful when we have to waste tax dollars paying politicians' wages to create laws mandating the requirement to do what is, or used to be, and should be completely normal?

 

That's due to the actions of big businesses moving against it. Not much else you can do.

 

I don't see this will come to the big companies. Dell Alienware tried as you know


Rossmann will not give his approval stamp until all questions have been answered.

 

Making a high grade system is not easy and even with some fundamentals in place you can still easily screw it up.

 

Just so you know what's coming: https://www.fudzilla.com/news/52440-appliances-will-need-to-last-a-decade-in-eu

Funny enough, the old Clevo laptops all the way to the P17X/P15X/P37X series kind of fitted the requirements of this upcoming legislation.