BGA Venting Thread ;)

Must resist...

 

British Law Enforcing Right To Repair Goes Into Effect But Ridiculously Excludes Phones And Other Tech hothardware.com | Fri, Jul 02, 2021

Right to repair is a testy topic that garners a strong response from people on both sides of the argument. Despite this, a British right to repair law is coming into effect today, requiring manufacturers to make spare parts available to consumers and third-party repair companies. However, not all that glitters is Gold.

As reported by the BBC, the goal of the rules is to “extend the lifespan of products by up to 10 years and benefit the environment.” While Adam French of Which? believes that this will help reduce e-waste, the law is not quite perfect. For example, only parts for “simple and safe” repairs will be available to consumers, while parts for more difficult repairs will be restricted to professional repairers, he explained.

Interestingly, phones and laptops have been the crux of the right to repair movement, but companies such as Apple have pushed back on the idea for years. Unfortunately, however, the law does not cover “tech such as laptops or smartphones,” which is a set of products likely with the highest repair need. Perhaps Apple’s lobbying finally paid off with the exclusion, but the law seems open for appending content, so it could change in the future.

This law is worthless as it stands. Damn Apple and its greed.

I wonder where the shareholders have been under the battle "right to repair".

 

As useful as a chocolate teapot. One step forward but a dozen steps back.

 

Oh, I see: "Sager recommends Windows"

A new right to repair what we can already repair. Well done T0r13s! it's like those new trade deals, same as old deals or worse.

 

Yeah it's a pretty toothless law

 

Does anyone have a quad core Tigerlake laptop with LPDDR4X 4266 and take a pic with cpu-z open/memory tab?

 

@Spartan@HIDevolution where are yoo?

 

Just curious if it says 1:32 ratio with 2133mhz or 1:16 with 2133 mhz

 

You could etc search it up in Notebookcheck https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-El...iew-Sounds-Better-Than-It-Looks.542712.0.html

 

That's at idle, right? Since it's 1066 x2 = 2133 MT/s instead of 4266.

Looks like it can run 1:32 I suppose? ( can't do that with the 11900K which only 1/500 are capable of 1:31 )

 

Yep, it will scale upwards.

 

Quad channel, I think cpu-z is a bit confused.

 

Apple Co-Founder Steve Wozniak Publicly Backs Right to Repair pcmag.com July 8, 2021

In a Cameo video, Wozniak says Apple itself wouldn't have existed without an open technology world.

“I am so busy with so many other things in my life that I haven’t really gotten involved in that area. But I’m always totally supportive and I totally think the people behind it (the Right to Repair) are doing the right thing,” Wozniak says.

 

He is an interesting character, interesting that never really carried through for apple ever, even under his tenure.

 

iFixit Founder & CEO Criticizes Apple, Samsung for Being Massive Hurdles for Consumers Wanting to Repair Their Devices wccftech.com | July 20,2021

Apple, Samsung, and Microsoft continue to design products that use non-standard parts, which ultimately prevent consumers and third-party repair personnel from servicing such products. iFixit’s CEO and founder did not hold back any punches in calling out these tech giants for continuing such activities.

iFixit’s Head Says Repairability and Durability Were Two Major Factors That Influenced Buying Decisions
During the Productivity Commission's virtual right to repair public hearing that happened on Monday, Kyle Wiens lambasted Samsung first, stating that the Korean giant had an agreement in place that prevented third-party repair entities like iFixit from heading out and purchase parts to service those devices.

Microsoft was not left out of the criticism, with Wiens commenting on the lack of repairability of the Surface laptop. iFixit gave it a repairability score of 0 out of 10, with 0 meaning the least repairable. The portable computer had a glued-in battery, and there were areas of the laptop that iFixit’s teardown experts had to literally cut through just to access them, which meant destroying some parts of the laptop that could not be repaired again.

 

Framework laptop review: This DIY laptop wants you to take it apart and repair it pcworld.com | Today

You can finally buy a laptop that's easy to repair and upgrade

Conclusion
We have never started a review by taking a laptop apart, ripping its motherboard out, and then putting it back together and testing it. That’s because we would never expect a product to endure that without malfunctioning. That’s just not how laptops are made today.

All too expensive and BGA but it show it can be possible even in thin and slimy models. No excuse not offer it for thicker and bigger laptops with socket HW as Cpu and Gpu.



Framework Laptop DIY Edition Review: A Real Fixer Upper tomshardware.com

Bottom Line
Framework isn't just selling a laptop — it's selling a promise. The laptop half is quite solid. It offers a tall, bright 3:2 display, decent build quality and a keyboard with 1.5 mm of travel. The swap out ports, while effectively just custom dongles made to fit this laptop, do work as promised.

And yes, the Framework Laptop is definitively easier to upgrade than some other notebooks. Unlike other thin laptops that have started soldering RAM or making it so you can't remove the battery, this laptop is extremely easy to open and even includes the tool to do so.


In those areas, I do think that those who have already placed pre-orders will be satisfied. It's not perfect, however, with a reflective display, a cheap-feeling touchpad and some high external temperatures when under heavy workloads.


But sticking the landing on this promise requires more than a good laptop. It requires fulfilling all of the orders placed — which Framework may very well do! But it's also launching during a component shortage, and this is a first time product. The laptop also relies extremely heavily on the eventual launch of new mainboards with faster processors in the future. If that doesn't come, the Framework Laptop will be another laptop you eventually replace.

I hope Framework pulls it off, because the right to repair is important, and we can be preventing tons of e-waste from ending up in landfills or the ocean. And if a small company can do it, maybe they'll convince larger manufacturers to compete. But tons of well-meaning laptop companies with good ideas have also struggled. We'll see soon enough, as the company starts shipping its laptops in earnest throughout the summer.

 

The FTC adopts new and seemingly right to repair-friendly policies notebookcheck.net

The United States' Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has announced a crackdown on practices that make it harder for citizens or even organizations to fix electronics themselves or seek alternatives to first-party services. The Commission asserts that these new measures will benefit businesses and consumers alike.

Source(s)
FTC

 

Some kind of breakout PCI-E would be nice.

 

I like the Idea but it's too fancy. I/O ports as expansions is something very new and really good thing, but the fundamental part is soldered, BGA processor / iGPU motherboard with that anemic heatsink. They cannot bypass that at all unless they man up and put a damn Desktop processor with proper cooling since Apple psychologically tuned people into making Laptop being razor thin that LGA/PGA socket system Z-Height won't be tolerated at all by the masses. I feel it's more of like that Fairphone type. Too expensive to get attention and Hardware price to performance ratio. Unfortunately the battery pack remains proprietary like all the laptops out there. As long as the company is alive it might be available once the product is EOLed it's over. I really miss the old days of Dell / HP / Alienware laptops and even Clevo which had this Battery bay design. Simple latch and new battery pack. It was easy to get aftermarket parts too even if it's fake. Sadly the battery is consumable which ultimately kills any product.

And most importantly Dell / HP and Apple co won't allow such products to exist, so they will simply undercut it's performance value and nobody will bat an eye after a few years. As long as people keep buying new Phones every damn year and new laptops these practices won't go away. We even saw MXM death infront of our eyes. The last GPU with proper 3.0b MXM is Quadro P5200 that too HP ZBook pull variant.

Only hope is people buy this over the usual trash which even have DRAM / Wifi chips / SSDs and Batteries also sealed shut hard to make it successful.

 

The sad truth. All too many people prefer thin and slimy trash (the smartphone gen people). And one of the reasons Microsoft once again push hard for touch functionality as they did with Win 8 for coming Win 11. Aka more thin and slim with touch screen. And phone processors support will be the new big.

Unfortunately, the other 99 percent of buyers of laptops aren’t like you. They will opt for better pricing, a thinner and smaller laptop, (or more performance). And yes, if they buy a laptop that was marketed as being “upgradeable” (even if there is fine print that it might not happen), they will sue.



Why do upgradeable laptops fail? Because we fail them pcworld.com

You’re too fixated on style
Every upgradeable laptop I’ve touched in 20 years would never win any beauty contests. Should that matter? On the practical side, no, but we all know design sells. Deliciously thin profiles, zero bezels, and rose gold colorways sway buyers in a way that “upgrade it later” never has or will.

 

Bro @Papusan are you ready for the next B.S ?

Dell no longer shipping Alienware Aurora R10/R12 systems to certain US states due to new power regulations


Remember this ATX12VO ? It came from the same California govt. regulation on the System Integrator market now they are pushing even more, it's already a standard on the Enterprise side apparently. GN did some coverage in 2020 and 2021 now (ADL definitely has more of that junk, esp now that they are pushing for those Phone trash cores)




2nd video timestamp is at 9:00, the ADL ATX12VO Intel push.

More PCB compromises to make these bs tree-hugging nonsense. They are enforcing these onto SI market. In the future Intel will promote more of this on the Mainstream Z platform. We already have Z490 Phantom Gaming with ATX12VO. The Motherboard gets power delivery components on the already crowded place and that means 2 things - Mobo failures due to the power delivery integration effecting the Overclock / Memory timings due to added coils and extra VRM circuitry plus the worst of all more cost transferred to consumer to pay.

Dell is an utter failure of a corporation selling pure trash and irreparable sub-par designed technological waste with shiny stickers to sell for dumb people. But this is going to hurt our Desktop / DIY space heavily.

A sad future is upon us from BGA trash to Power Delivery restrictions and more hard to repair electronics.

 

Yep, some places may only allow to offer thin Jokebooks and Jokes of desktops. Always a future for garbage, bro Ashtrix. The irony... Intel nowadays try force people to save power in idle state (tree-hugging nonsense). But have been the company that hang on to old power hungry 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++ the last decade. Even their 10nm is a power hog of arch/chips. And now they try to please all with phone cores to save the earth enviroment. Yep, a Joke.

Intel Z690 Chipset Motherboards For Alder Lake CPUs To Retain 24-Pin Connectors wccftech.com

Intel Z690 Motherboards For Alder Lake Desktop CPUs To Retain 24-Pin Power Connectors As Board Makers Reluctant To Adopt ATX12VO Standard

The ATX12VO power connectors were going to be a big deal on 600-series motherboards including the flagship Z690 chipset-based products. Intel was actively trying to standardize the new and more power-efficient power connector configuration on its motherboards starting next generation but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

The Apple factor is too big in California. And Intel and Microsoft will follow the trend from that lifestyle company.

 

To be fair, Dell doesnt want to sell Ryzen equipped systems anyways

 

To be fair, doesn’t matter if it’s a Ryzen or Intel system


But does it matter? I wouldn’t touch any Dell system with a 10 foot pole. Still open for DIY system. Maybe the next will be low power Intel/Ryzen BGA chips also for desktops? In all desktops.

New desktop MB (all motherboards), all will come with soldered on Cpu and castrated graphics cards with a nice TDP cap as for notebooks. @Mr. Fox I’m happy I don’t live in that dictatorship!

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-alienware-cannot-ship-to-certain-us-states

 

No like, Dell doesnt like doing business with AMD generally speaking to begin with. Im sure they just shrugged it off when they determined to cancel customers orders in those states.

Not an argument of principle, just reminding how petty Dell is when looking at anything AMD based.

 

Still same disgusting rules. See pict above in my post. But for me it doesn’t matter. Won’t buy it and I don’t live in that dictatorship.

Remember Apple started with the first shoot with their low power M1 chips. Others will follow. Intel is soon out with their first desktop chips with phone cores. And from what I have seen… AMD will also bake in phone cores is later gen processors.

 

Seems were talking across each other. I give up.

 

Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Microsoft, Intel, NVIDIA, AMD, Dell, HP, Acer, Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS, Lenovo, Samsung, blah, blah, blah...
...all companies run by stupid loser control freaks that don't give a flying fart about doing something right or good, and probably could not if their lives depended on it. And, their behavior suggests they only want zombie sheeple that buy turdbooks for customers. It seems like that is the only kind of consumer most of them are building their nasty trashbooks for.

 

You forgot add in some Governments.... Some make regulations they don't even understand themself.

 

All I see in that video is new business for MITM system builders that are willing to deliver.

@Mr. Fox Even more potential headaches for your state eh?

Going to be a slew of super legit system builders that definitely wouldnt rip off their customers

 

I am in AZ, so we are not cursed with retarded dumba$$ Nazi tree huggers from hell as legislators. The good people in those states should not put up with that kind of idiotic Satanic crap. They need to be rounded up and shipped to a third world country to live out the rest of their miserable lives with no electricity and plenty of dirty water to drink.

 

Can't wait for these states to complain about "outdated computer infrastructure" because of the laws that make buying some computers (and maybe servers,) difficult/impossible.

 

Its just hilarious that the state with the most taxes also has the most amount of exemptions, and now this just creates opportunity for MITM scenarios. Its just really weird that I can see MITM between states instead of between mainland China to get certain niche or crowd funded purchases over stateside.

Im sure its well intentioned but if your state has rolling brownouts nearly every summer then you might need more than just that small bit of power from a PC running idle. I very much doubt they will be doing this in any hospital, police department, firehouse, energy management, or means of critical produce like, produce, agriculture etc.

The only demographic I can see them happily enforcing these policies is the regular Joe blow that doesnt know any better to begin with.

 

This will help Microsoft boost sales of next gen Surface-books. They will meet the new requirements here and there with ease....
Microsoft: You Can't Get Around Windows 11 Requirements

They all want that you switch over to tomorrows tech... https://www.windowscentral.com/surface-laptop-4-review

They even removed the Surface Neo product page to make ready for next gen power efficient Jokes that will full-fill all your computing needs. On top you'll get Win 11.



Intel is retiring Microsoft Surface Neo’s Lakefield processor

 

The neo was just... Bad at most things.

 

Alienware Claims It Can’t Sell High-End Desktop PCs in 6 US States | ExtremeTech

 

Did you see the gamers nexus review on one of the dell computers they banned? They did people a service.

 

I live in the great state of California (sarcasm to be noted) and our Governor just declared a "Proclamation of a state of emergency" so that he can start mandating power restrictions and forcing reductions which could have been alleviated long before him and yet he has continued the legacy of being the most expensive state to live in while using taxpayer money to fund social support programs instead of the things that really matter like an appropriate electric infrastructure.

 

Next generation of servers are going to 400W->500W->600W components. And they'll be liquid cooled with dielectric fluids. Lower temperatures lead to less leakage and higher performance from that video

 

I think the next step is silicon with built in water channels.

 

Talk to your people, make it happen!

I know you dont command legions of engineers, I dont care. Start talkin to the guy who replaces the watercooler and the guy replacin the coffee filters, make it happen! lmao

 

Give me a few years and I'll hopefully be able to make that happen

 

It's being tested now finally so fingers crossed it is only a matter of years now.

 

Here's some really interesting info on new cooling solutions being tested like what @Meaker@Sager is talking about. If successfully, we could certainly be looking at some revolutionary performance metrics along with less heat and less power.

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...r-cooling-for-future-high-performance-silicon



Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

 

Yep, an fantastic solution to be able to reduce thermal capacity of the cooling system (less copper) and continue shrinking down the chassis size. Nothing will really change for high performance (gaming) laptops. Only thinner and slimmer. One step forward and one step backwards for better cooling. Can’t have both As etc much hinner and with better cooling.

Maybe an nice improvement for desktops with already top cooling.

 

Yeah the article authors say they don't believe that cooling solutions like this would ever hit the consumer market and strictly be relegated to servers, but one can dream lol.

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

 

Saying never seems a bit crystal ballish to me

 

Corsair reps told me I was an idiot for suggesting they make a 360mm CLC and that there would be no market for it, and here we are.

 

Yeah I agree with you both, the article authors probably are being a bit nearsighted. Many pieces of tech, not just computers, have started in the commercial market and end up in consumer products. Maybe 6 years from now when I get my next laptop I can read this post and smile as my integrated liquid cooled silicone chip is humming away

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

 

Its a real unfortunate biproduct of COVID's tenure. Not as many people looking to the horizons burning the midnight oil and more people looking for the enemy they cant hope to see.