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    CPU hits 99C and throttles when running division

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Jakamo5, Mar 11, 2016.

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    Hate to break it to you, but you're not correct :( But... if you want to purchase the protection plan, you can do it here:
    http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/purchase-a-plan

    you'll clearly see i7-6700K listed.

    and just to show you it has always been this way: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/303014-28-intel-series-intels-overclocking-policy
     
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    Well, that's news to me :)
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    Update: Now that I had time to reflect, I did call Intel about this coverage when they first offered it back in 2012, and after my call I determined it wasn't worth getting. My RMA's have always been at purchase time, during the build, before I have even had a chance to do any tuning. At the time my 980x was already 2 years old, and with the 2700k's I didn't see a need for the plan when I got those either.

    Now that I think about it, at the time I thought it was a waste of money. If I kill a CPU due to screwing up while OC'ing, I'm going to cover that loss myself. It hasn't happened anyway, so the odds are low enough that I don't need that coverage.

    Here is an article I recall reading about it when it was announced.

    Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan: Warranty for Overclockers
    by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 18, 2012 4:54 PM EST
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/5442/...ing-protection-plan-warranty-for-overclockers
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    Thanks for finding that, I will help pay for my delidding with the $30 I will save by not getting their "Tuning Warranty" for my 6700k... wait will that tuning plan cover delidding a CPU or would delidding invalidate that coverage too? :confused: :cool:

    Just so you know, I have never seen that Tuning Warranty until just googling for Intel Warranty info during this conversation, and hadn't read it till now either. I put it in my post assuming it explained the K processor coverage.

    So why is this Intel Tuning warranty not listed as an option anywhere I have seen the 6700k listed as an option for purchase?

    That Intel Tuning Warranty cost isn't broken out anywhere for any of the builds I have seen using the 6700k.

    Are the sellers footing the bill for that coverage? Or are we all left hanging without knowledge of that coverage?

     
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    My guess is, resellers purchase it and it gets tied into their own warranty cost they charge you.
     
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    Update: Now that I had time to reflect, I did call Intel about this coverage when they first offered it back in 2012, and after my call I determined it wasn't worth getting. My RMA's have always been at purchase time, during the build, before I have even had a chance to do any tuning. At the time my 980x was already 2 years old, and with the 2700k's I didn't see a need for the plan when I got those either.

    Now that I think about it, at the time I thought it was a waste of money. If I kill a CPU due to screwing up while OC'ing, I'm going to cover that loss myself. It hasn't happened anyway, so the odds are low enough that I don't need that coverage.

    Here is an article I recall reading about it when it was announced.

    Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan: Warranty for Overclockers
    by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 18, 2012 4:54 PM EST
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/5442/...ing-protection-plan-warranty-for-overclockers
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    As I said before my personal computer CPU failures have been caught during the build phase, and involved either a DOA CPU or a CPU with a out of spec hot core. I haven't had a long term failure, so I haven't had to explore that coverage.

    Given this new option to pay Intel for extended coverage for CPU failures occurring with OC/overvolt, it sounds like a good idea to pay $30 for the coverage.


    I don't understand why Intel didn't build this into the cost of the unlocked K processors. They clearly state it's ok to OC / tune them, and then they go back on the implied warranty coverage if we use those features explicitly built into the CPU?

    Intel even provides their own OC'ing tool, the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility - XTU - that allows the user to tune the processor from Windows if the tuning isn't supported in the BIOS.

    I think Intel should include their extended Tuning Warranty coverage with the original purchase. Either by requiring that separate Tuning Warranty is bundled in to the sale, or by including it in the sale of the CPU.

    By leaving explicit mention of that Tuning Warranty coverage out of any public K processor disclosures I have seen, they are doing their customers a disservice by leaving them exposed.
     
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    Update: Now that I had time to reflect, I did call Intel about this coverage when they first offered it back in 2012, and after my call I determined it wasn't worth getting. My RMA's have always been at purchase time, during the build, before I have even had a chance to do any tuning. At the time my 980x was already 2 years old, and with the 2700k's I didn't see a need for the plan when I got those either.

    Now that I think about it, at the time I thought it was a waste of money. If I kill a CPU due to screwing up while OC'ing, I'm going to cover that loss myself. It hasn't happened anyway, so the odds are low enough that I don't need that coverage.

    Here is an article I recall reading about it when it was announced.

    Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan: Warranty for Overclockers
    by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 18, 2012 4:54 PM EST
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/5442/...ing-protection-plan-warranty-for-overclockers
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    Yeah, that doesn't sound like re-sellers :)

    They are running on a slim margin as it is, if they were paying for something as part of the build, they would charge us for it.

    That $30 Intel Performance Tuning Protection Plan should be broken out into a customization option, and disclosed that you are otherwise not covered by using the unlocked features of the K CPU's.

    You can ask your reseller, I will ask mine when I get around to my next order.

    It's definitely something to consider now. Thanks for pushing on that warranty complaint - I do think it changed form over the discussion, but I am glad it led to this discovery.

    I think everyone that OC's here should know about it, and talk about it, but so far noone has ever mentioned it on NBR either.

    Again, I can't believe Intel screwed up like this and didn't bundle that coverage with every K / Extreme CPU.

    Past experience tells me I won't ever need it, or even use it if I fried my CPU through my own mistakes, but if they want to offer it, I guess I should take advantage of it.

    Here is the website again, along with the current Terms and Conditions, and Plan info, in case they change it over time.

    Intel Performance Tuning Protection Plan
    Allows a single replacement for your qualified processor, in addition to your standard 3 year warranty. Learn More
    http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/

    http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/terms-and-conditions

    Terms & Conditions
    The Performance Tuning Protection Plan (herein referred to as the “Plan”) is a program owned and administered by Intel® Corporation (“Intel”). The Plan is an optional support plan which, if purchased, would provide specific defined benefits in addition to Intel’s standard boxed processor limited warranty. The Plan is only applicable to Intel boxed processors – processors purchased in tray are not eligible and the plan will not be honored by Intel customer support for tray processors. The Plan only applies to issues directly related to performance tuning, and only provides for a one-time replacement for eligible processors. The Plan may be discontinued, or the terms and conditions of the Plan changed by Intel, at any time, and any such changes will not be retroactive. Any change to the Plan will be communicated only by updates to the following website ( www.intel.com/go/tuningplan). Should the Plan be discontinued, all Plans purchased prior to the date of discontinuation or the date of such change(s) will remain in effect and be honored according to the terms and conditions accompanying the Plan at the time of such purchase. Currently all documentation regarding the Plan will be provided solely in English. Intel disclaims any liability in the event that 'performance tuning' is performed, other than replacement of the eligible processor.

    Unless specifically set forth below, the terms and conditions for the Plan do not replace, change or otherwise impact the scope or term of Intel’s standard boxed processor limited warranty. No other warranty offered, verbally or in writing, by a distributor, channel partner, reseller or other third party will, in any manner, expand or modify the terms of the Plan. This Plan does not supersede any laws or regulations of the city, state or country.

    The Plan provides a one-time replacement: (i) only applicable to the replacement of Eligible Processors and (ii) only when the Plan is purchased within one (1) year of the purchase of the Eligible Processor. The Plan may only be purchased from the Plan website ( www.intel.com/go/tuningplan) or an authorized reseller. The Performance Tuning Protection Plan does not affect the length of the standard 3 year warranty. The Plan will cover the processor running out of specifications for the remainder of the standard 3 year warranty.

    Go to the Purchase a Plan page for a list of eligible processors. Only the processors listed on the Purchase a Plan page are eligible.

    Intel® Warranty Center
    Find answers to your questions about service and warranty options for your Intel®-branded product.
    http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/warranty-center.html
     
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    @Jakamo5, now that you know you can get OC'ing coverage with a $30 warranty extension, you are golden, right?

    You do know that just by buying a K processor, and a high-end high-performance laptop that uses it, you are going to stick out like a sore thumb if you ever do go to Intel for a CPU warranty service claim?

    We all better get that Intel Performance Tuning Protection Plan if we want to be able to use that 3 year warranty that came with our K CPU's and OC outside of specifications - which I won't be doing :)

    You / we should also check with our sellers before buying that plan ourselves, because the Intel Performance Tuning Protection Plan doesn't cover Intel Tray CPU's, only Intel boxed CPU's. We should make sure to get that CPU box from the vendor as well, so we can get warranty service.

    I just checked, and Silicon Lottery lists all their CPU's as Boxed CPU's :)
    https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/i7-6700k

    Either way, we should all ask our vendor if their CPU warranty explicitly lists and covers OC and tuning in writing.
     
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    --------------------------------------------------------
    Update: Now that I had time to reflect, I did call Intel about this coverage when they first offered it back in 2012, and after my call I determined it wasn't worth getting. My RMA's have always been at purchase time, during the build, before I have even had a chance to do any tuning. At the time my 980x was already 2 years old, and with the 2700k's I didn't see a need for the plan when I got those either.

    And, now that I think about it, at the time I thought it was a waste of money :)

    Here is an article I recall reading about it when it was announced.

    Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan: Warranty for Overclockers
    by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 18, 2012 4:54 PM EST
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/5442/...ing-protection-plan-warranty-for-overclockers
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    And, CyberPowerPC started offering this plan with Gigabyte at release in 2012:
    http://www.gigabyte.us/press-center/news-page.aspx?nid=-870
    http://www.pureoverclock.com/2012/01/cyberpowerpc-to-offer-intels-overclocking-warranty-plan/

    I am of 2 minds on this one, if CyberPowerPC is offering this, then I would assume they don't plan on covering any CPU failures they don't need to cover. I would spend the extra $ as a line option in this case, just to keep things clear.
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    It looks like vendors are starting to add this option to the Build customization, here the CyberPowerPC's Desktop build customization has it, but the 6700k laptop doesn't:

    http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/CyberPower_Z170_i7_Configurator
    Cyberpower has intel performance tuning protection plan.JPG

    But, the Intel coverage isn't available as an option for their Laptop's with 6700k, even though they are listed as Venom OC Certified:
    http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Fangbook_4_Xtreme_G-SYNC_200_Gaming_Laptop
    cyberpower laptop doesnt have intel oc coverage.JPG
     
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    I'm golden because even though Intel warranty doesn't cover the OC or UV, LPC warranty does :) So yes, I am golden with stock ;)
     
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    use this
    Call 877-208-9544 9:00am-5:00pm Mon-Sat PST
     
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    Please do let us know what they say, it looks like they are closed now, I guess you will have to wait till tomorrow :)
     
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    Oh sorry I just meant if you want to verify. I've spoken with them in a lot of detail. Did a lot of research before I purchased from them (regarding if I could change my bios without voiding warranty, which is also a yes btw, as long as you change it back before sending it in). They made sure I had a good understanding of the policies.

    They even asked me to try undervolting to see if it helped before sending it in on Monday :D
     
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    Yeah, but undervolting is running within specifications. Even overvolting if done within the range listed as allowed for the CPU is within specifications. Both would be covered under the standard warranty.

    I see CyberPowerPC added "Intel Performance Tuning Protection Plan" as a purchase option for their desktop builds, but it's missing from their laptop builds with 6700k/6600k CPU's.

    Cyberpower has intel performance tuning protection plan.JPG

    But, I don't see an explicit listing for Overclocking or Tuning in the LPC build customization, or in their online warranty coverage info. That's why I suggested asking them explicitly how they are covering it, and where it's written up.

    I don't need to call your vendor. I will make my inquiries to my next vendor more focused and direct this time for my own next build.

    And, I will be calling Intel's support line for the Intel Performance Tuning Protection Plan, and find out what isn't covered by the standard plan and what needs the extra coverage. If tuning within specifications is ok, then I think I am already still inside the standard Warranty.

    Have fun :)
     
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    Undervolting/Overvolting voids Intel warranty.

    Also, sorry I guess I didn't say explicitly, I asked LPC specifically about overclocking before purchasing. Covered.
     
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    That's good to hear :)

    So, the only time we need Intel Performance Tuning Protection Plan is if we do our own build from a boxed CPU, or add it to a vendor custom build outside of the listed menu of options, and plan to OC / tune outside of Intel CPU specifications.

    LPC covers OC'ing with their warranty, but they don't offer Silicon Lottery CPU's explicitly.

    And, HID covers OC'ing with their warranty, which now includes Silicon Lottery delidded CPU's... because of customer demand.

    HID didn't offer that option before Phoenix pushed them to provide Silicon Lottery CPU's for himself.

    I wonder if LPC would want to do the same if you asked? :)

    That would cover your warranty coverage concern. It's been a long post filled road to get here, I would hate to see you drop out at the last minute.

    Maybe take a breather and see what LPC says tomorrow. And, no, I am not calling them, it's your vendor and your failed CPU / laptop, we were just here with moral support and experience that we thought could help you.

    Now that we got past that warranty bugaboo, it should be clear sailing to follow whichever path you want to.

    Please come back later and let us know how it works out :)
     
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    I'm sure many would buy. Although if I understand correctly from his posts, they installed his for him, but they didn't pay for it and they haven't warrantied it, but if they start offering it as an option then I can only assume they would start having it covered under warranty, and other resellers will hopefully follow suite. So if they agreed to do the same, that puts me out $400 and a warranty(and we're back to our initial conversation).

    I think it would save them money in the long run to have more tested CPUs shipping out, since there would be fewer RMAs, assuming of course that they can get a distribution deal from SL that is comparable to the one they have now.

    Edit: Sorry, everyone kept letting me say $375 or $400, and really SL's i7-6700K is $450!!! :eek:
     
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    Yeah, he said he bought it himself and they installed it, and he kept his old CPU as backup in case he needs to use it later on. So I think maybe you misunderstood, it wouldn't solve the warranty issue, just cost me $450 and time, and all the things I mentioned earlier.
     
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    Yes, that's it right there, an added pre-test qualification for CPU's before the build to assure success and reduce the failures resulting in RMA's, which is even more valuable than the benefit's of the speed bin's.

    And, the customer pays the extra added up front costs, and is happy to do it because they get a pre-tested / binned CPU that should perform better out of the box than the average pull from untested CPU's.

    Everybody wins :)
     
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    That's not the way HID handles it now. You don't get 2 CPU's, you only get the Silicon Lottery one.

    Same for you, if you ask nicely, as we laid out early on.

    1) Let them know you would like to get a pre-tested / binned CPU from Silicon Lottery instead of a CPU from inventory. How can we do this?

    That should be enough really, they will know what that all entails.

    I think we have provided you with enough info to give them should they ask for more details :)
     
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    Sorry I think you're still misunderstanding. He paid an extra $450 for the cpu, and lost his warranty. I've made it clear I don't want to do that for all the reasons I mentioned, why would I ask my reseller to LET me do that?
     
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    OP↑↑Have you considered a BGA machine? A laptop with a K processor that is designed for overclocking is perhaps not the right choice for you. An X and K processor is intended for OC'ing. Now also BGA aka soldered **** 6820Hk. Most laptop OEM's that sell BGA machines with 6820HK advertises OC'ing of this ****processor. Maybe this is a better choice for you? :rolleyes:
     
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    I intend to OC though... thanks but I just bought this laptop, not very interested in switching to a different one just because of a flawed individual CPU.
     
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    With your approach in this thread, I can not see that this is something for you :rolleyes:.
     
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    Can you be more specific? I can't understand what you're trying to say...
     
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    Maybe start to read your own thread one more time.
     
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    I wrote the thread. So maybe you should learn to read one more time? So far you haven't said a single thing substantial. Do you know what passive aggressive means?

    Learn to read. No one here has a BGA, go troll somewhere else.
     
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    I understand so much English... That your counterattack on good advice from others is quite strange.
     
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    Return 1 CPU, get 1 CPU.

    Return CPU to Pile A - Get Store Credit

    Pick new CPU from Pile B - Pay with Store Credit + Cash

    Pile A is LPC Inventory.

    Pile B is Silicon Lottery Inventory.

    Warranty is Silicon Lottery + Intel + LPC.

    Benefit is known good pre-tested - pre-binned CPU, problem fixed in 1 RMA trip.

    Extra Cost is balanced against savings of having to do this again, and again, until you get something you want to keep.

    I never said this was a bad idea, I proposed it as a good idea. :)
     
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    Good advice? Like recommending a BGA to OC, and then saying OC is not for you? :rolleyes: you're clearly not very smart are you?

    We went through this scenario though, remember? We made the assumption LPC would pay the cost of the SL cpu, and we pointed out that the disadvantages still outweigh the advantages. Time, whatever money I have to pay (shipping), warranty coverage gone.

    Here's the post dissecting that exact scenario
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...running-division.789249/page-13#post-10222113
     
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    @Jakamo5 you keep lashing out man, you don't even know who you are talking with and you are pushing them away.

    @Papusan has been reading and liking my posts from this thread for the last hour, so he is up on what is going on, plus he is awesomely situated to give you excellent tuning advice for your 6700k. Papusan currently has top records for OC'ing the 6700k in several benchmarks.

    Really man, you need to walk out of the dark and into the light, and benefit from the knowledge of others, and share yours with them too.

    Papasun broke silence to help you out. Please be nice to him :)
     
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    He is very clearly trying to troll (trying.. it needs a bit of work), if you can't see that, then you need to step out of the light because it's blinding you...

    His first post here was recommending a BGA machine to me. Look at his caption under his username. Then give your thoughts again on what he's doing here.

    I think someone is mad I pointed out his OC might not be covered under warranty, that's all. A petty person.
     
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    It was intended as a reminder... You should listen to all good advice, not only from me. And do not twist on everything that is said. You do that always.
     
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    So you have a profile dedicated to BGA = garbage and you recommend it to me. This is what you consider good advice? You're a clown, and you need learn to read. Oxygen is not for you. Please go back to your cave.

    FYI, the word counterattack means "an attack in response to an attack". But you're here to give good advice right? Like I said, you're not very smart. If you're going to troll and then play innocent, you probably shouldn't admit your initial comment was an attack :)
     
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    He's not trolling, he's trying to help.

    And, I am sure he is fully covered by his vendor for his build of his 6700k.

    He sees you aren't having fun with your super high performance over-clockable machine, and are treating it like a BGA laptop that won't stay cool.

    He is saying you might be happier with something with less freedom's to operate, like a locked down BGA laptop, that is locked down in the BIOS so it won't OC - or run too hot.

    Truely that might be best, because no matter how we slice it, that laptop is going to get hot from use, it's just part of the nature of it. If that bothers you and you have trouble wanting to deal with it, then it may not be a good fit for you.

    That's all he is saying.

    He is seeing you get great advice from people that OC/tune, and know how to help you get the most from your laptop, and you keep running back to the Warranty, it should work out of the box, and it's going to cost too much, etc instead of taking advantage of the awesome opportunity you have.

    I was taking the tack that you are worth helping, and want to push through those barriers, and just needed a little support to do that. So I hung around trying help you out of those thought corners you kept painting yourself into.

    Phoenix and Papusan are both being very restrained and well behaved while being helpful to you, even though you keep lashing out at us.

    We are here to help, but how about for now we call it a day for this thread, and come back to it later.
     
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    It is you who have problems with your hardware and know nothing about the topic... You should be a little more humble :rolleyes:
     
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    hmscott, literally AS you're typing that he's trying to help, the guy is telling me I know nothing about the topic. on top of recommending a machine he thinks is garbage, telling me to reread thread that I myself wrote, and telling me OC is not for me, because I pointed out my warranty covers OC? To you, this is trying to help?
     
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    You hit the nail on the head as usual :)
     
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    You keep saying you're trying to help, that I'm lashing out, but you were misinformed to start with. I apparently knew more than you did, and I think maybe you were a bit offended by this, but trying to suggest that you are in the light and I'm in the dark. I'm sorry that you were wrong about intel warranty,I'm sorry that you misunderstood phoenix and thought HID covered his cpu under warranty, and so if LPC did the same "warranty wouldn't be an issue". I'm sorry you still think someone who is trolling is trying to help. I feel very bad for you, because you are blinded and having a very hard time seeing any perspective but your own.

    Please leave my thread and don't return. I think I've offered you much more help than you've offered me, and I'm beginning to regret it.
     
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    Yeah, well, BGA is garbage to him because he wants the full fire-breathing unlocked fury that is LGA K CPU's, and demand for BGA laptops are pushing out the LGA world - making it smaller and smaller.

    He's not happy about that, so that's where that Moto comes from

    At least until Clevo/Sager started offering the LGA options :)

    He knows that LGA can be tough to wrangle, and takes a certain mindset to deal with it.

    And, he is seeing that you are pushing back against it, and is only suggesting you might be happier with a high end BGA laptop.

    Like my laptop, or the other MSI / Asus / Aorus / Razor / Alienware laptops. All of them make someone happy. :)
     
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    I would LOVE for you to point out one thing I was incorrect about in this thread. I've taught in this thread.
     
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    My intention was to help(not trolling), but it does seem that you don't want any help from none. Even if you have a race car, it is not certain you are able to use it as intended.
     
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    and my use of a race car would have to be something I prove to you? Why, because you make sarcastic comments and troll very poorly?
     
  43. Papusan

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    I'm finished,. There is no interest from me anymore to give you any help. Sail in your own sea and solve your own problems. Some are 100% sure on everything themselves. They do not take good advice from others. I'M not sarcastic in that.
     
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    You came here and said 0 useful things. You're finished now? That's nice. Thanks for telling me that

    1) I should get a "*****" BGA machine
    2) I should reread a thread that I wrote myself
    3) I know nothing about the topic

    and then

    4) You're done here.

    Thanks for all that really useful help you gave. Back to your cave now?
     
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    No... Back to benching my 4.8 GHz beast. That works just as I want. See sig
     
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    I've seen your sig and your caption. You have such a deep hatred for BGA it makes me wonder if you have pent up rage because of something else ;) You even hate it so much you have to come to threads about K processors and try to tell people to get BGA just to troll hahahahaha. I'm laughing but it's actually really sad.

    again, no one here has a BGA. go home and throw darts a picture of BGA's or something, whatever you need to do to sleep
     
  47. Papusan

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    The intention was to help you as I said earlier... But I understand that some are not responsive to good advice anyway. Your machine is good for +4.5 GHz in the right hands and nice temps. Good luck with your beast.
     
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    If your intention was really to help me, why would you recommend something you consider garbage in your caption, signature, and in the very post you describe as "****". I did not even respond angrily, I simply asked you to explain further, and you responded that "OC is not for you". Your next message after was telling me to reread my own thread, and the one after that was telling me I know nothing about the hardware or topic.

    Please tell me: In which of these posts were you trying to "help" me?

    Here is the fact: you came here trolling, and because hmscott is an optimist with a bit of naiveté, he thought you were genuinely trying to help, and you took that opportunity to feign innocence. When he later realized you were in fact trolling, he did not want to fully admit it, but tried to play it off as you were just "making fun of us" (he even said "us" to try to diffuse it further) like a buddy would.

    Please, I invite you, show me in which post you said something helpful.
     
  49. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    @Papusan is one of the world leaders in overclocking / benchmarking scores with years of experience. He has dedicated his life to overclocking and even lives in an iceberg to keep his ambient room temps low in the negative zone to beat everyone else.

    His story with BGA Hatred stems from the days where me, him, @Mr. Fox and others who used to love the so called Alienware - High Performance Systems, then all of a sudden, Dell came along, shot Alienware in the head and killed it then took over the Alienware division and named it internally to Dellienware. that's when all the once great Alienware beasts turned into BGA Garbage with soldered components like CPU/GPU, lesser RAM slots and thus, only 16GB Max memory, etc.

    So we all switched to the Clevo brand because we are enthusiasts and want to squeeze every bit of performance out of our systems.

    He recommended a BGA system even though his profile says I hate BGA Garbage because he finds it more suitable for you. Since you do not want to overclock or tinker with your system as you value your warranty like the virgin Mary, thus, a BGA locked down system that works is best for your situation. Nothing wrong with that. This thread is 20 pages long and you still cannot decide on something that 100% satisfies you.

    And FYI, I get no warranty from HIDevolution for my CPU as that was a separate order. But if you now order a system from them with a Silicon Lottery CPU and the PREMA BIOS/VBIOS, it is covered under warranty EVEN if you overclock. They will handle warranty claims themselves not through Intel. Why do they take such a risk? Because the possibility of anyone damaging their CPU due to overclocking are very very very slim. CPUs have thermal throttling built in, meaning, if they reach a certain thermal threshold they will downclock so you can never damage a CPU from overclocking, at least with modern CPUs.

    I have no warranty on my SL CPU but I have my old CPU as backup and I will sell that, I don't give a darn about warranty, I bought an enthusiast machine to tweak it and enjoy it. Life is too short, take a chance once in a while and live it to the max.

    what Papusan suggested and I 100 agree with him. This machine is not for you, you want something that works out of the box and is covered with a fancy warranty, then order an ASUS laptop perhaps with BGA components. Those never overheat because they throttle like no tomorrow.


    I suggest you return your system and get a refund. Then order one from HIDevolution that is factory overclocked, comes with a Silicon Lottery CPU and 2800 MHz. G.Skill RAM that is covered under warranty and get all this over with. Much faster than trying your luck with the Silicon Lottery draw on your next CPU RMA which I have a strong belief will be no better than your previous ones. 85% of Skylake 6700K CPUs are bad overclockers, which means, they overheat a lot. Again, even if your intent is not to overclock, at least for a start, that still means that the CPU will run way hotter than you want it to even at stock speeds.

    Please apologize to Mr. Papusan, he was trying to help you and he is far from being a troll. I cannot count how many times he has helped me an others with their CPU issues. Even back then when I had an Alienware 18 with a crappy 4940MX CPU that cannot overclock to 4.4 GHz, he spent a lot of time with me trying to suggest settings to tame that beast.

    PS: He had a 4930MX CPU overclocked to 4.6 GHz. That guy is a magician living in an ice berg.
     
  50. Papusan

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    The way a Intel K processor shall work in an Clevo Laptop Aka BGA Crushing KILLER with single graphics if you do everything the way you should... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7924459
    Thanks @Phoenix for the kind words
    [​IMG]
     
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