Clevo + Coffee Lake: Status?

oh boy thats gonna be a problem. if 8 cores cpu still using just 1 fan it will 100% overheat unless we run it at like 3ghz rofl. back then we had 6 cores 4960x on 2 fan and a giant heatsink, clevo has to get a new design in for 8 cores, please do let them know, this is non-negotiable, i wouldnt even be surprise to see intel rate their 8 cores cpu TDP at 90w or something LOL.

btw that new heatsink for cpu, is it possible to get some pictures?

@Papusan even with new heatsink, because fan size arent changing the radiator area likely wont change much, means area to dissipate heat end up being the same. theres only few things i can think of that they can possibly improve with such a limited amount of space.

most of the time, worst area for heat transfer is between die/IHS and IHS/heatsink. going vaper for CPU, 8700k has a larger die area than 7700k by about 15-20% ish, put liquid metal, and vaper chamber cpu for cooling just might do the trick. of course hitting 5ghz+ would with decent temp would still mean SL chip + disable HT.

doing 8 core in same chassis though is no go, MSI it is

 

this is why I think Id go coffee over ice if they dont plan on changing it until after that. I am now seeing better reviews with temps post delid under 70c on synthetics. Obviously these are in towers but theyre also oved to 5+ghz. Id be happy with 4.5 to 4.8 under 90c. Id prefer under 80c. I wont be needing sli at least not now that gives me hope. And volta gpus (mxm even) are a long ways off.

 

when did this latest chasis come out. I assume you guys use clevos (I am new to the mobile workstation market)

 

90c is way too hot bro if clevo isnt gonna bother changing design and still use 3 fans for two 1080 SLI + 8 core CPU, it will 100% overheat, then its time to go MSI F7.

 

Configurators go up next week and they're launching in November. We'll have to see what their heatsink design is gonna be.

 

@ole!!! "8700k has a larger die area than 7700k by about 15-20% ish"
For the curious individuals: Here is a photo comparing the 8700K VS 7700K after a delid:

 

Im curious what price. Ram prices are killing me as a video producer. I need 32gb min :/

 

My current laptop does 90c and doesn't throttle much id agree that 90c is too much. Im just not getting my expectations too high. I might need to look at the msi f7. Im running a apache pro as my mobile station now.

 

high temp will have an lasting effect on overclocked cpu. if you're using your cpu at stock clock with delid and undervolt, i'd say you'll be fine even running at 90c for long periods of time. but 90c prob wont happen unless you do extreme benches.

 

id be looking oc to probably 4.5 on the low end and 4.8 on the high. Thats why I am big on hidevolution they delid, undervolt and oc the cpu for you with a vaporware cooler.

 

Vapor chamber lol.

 

I always get those mixed up

 

I need to see our your configs

 

I hope is true.. one long term laptop will be the best thing...(with a decent cooling system).

 

A bunch of new content came out today for the Z370 / Coffee Lake, I tried to find the best available, and posted them here:

Intel Core i7-8700K Coffee Lake Z370
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/intel-core-i7-8700k-coffee-lake-z370.809268

 

More power consumption results from thinkcomputers.com - Intel Core i7-8700K Review

Power Consumption & Temperatures
Power consumption for a system is of course very important. To measure power consumption I read the CPU Package reading in AIDA64. The idle test is taken on the Windows 10 desktop and the load test is taken while running the AIDA64 system stability test (Compare 7700K vs. 8700K)

 

The preorder is open

http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-p870tm1-dual-gtx-1080.html?ref=1

 

https://www.ceg-hardcorecustom.com/product/clevo-p870tm-g-lga1151-ddr4-gtx-1070-sli-vr-mxm

 

looks great. Weird problem I can't select vapor cooling or a gpu?

 

yeah @Donald@HIDevolution am I missing something. I can't select a single or dual gpus? Also any samples in yet to check temps?

 

Goofy glitch in our software...click on any Display option...any of them, even the default Display, and it will show the GPU selections.

 

gotcha! thanks.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution Will you guys have the 15" up for preorder as well?

 

Yes, as soon as we have time to get it done. Either today, or Monday

 

^ this man is getting my business I think.

The only thing I want to see at this point is temps of one with an 8700k inside of it.

 

Availability: Late October-Early November.

We will get the temps reported as soon as we receive them. In the mean time, to get in line, because at the beginning the supplies will be very limited, you might consider placing a Pre-Order. You can cancel if you don't like what you see once the temps are reported.

 

Thanks for the info. Theres no charge to cancel a pre-order?

 

No, there is no charge to cancel a Pre-Order before it goes into Production.

 

Sounds good. I il be checking some costs but It looks good.

 

computerbase.de - Intel Coffee Lake Review
Power consumption:


kitguru.net - Intel Core i7-8700K and Core i5-8400 Review
Power consumption:
We leave the system to idle on the Windows 10 desktop for 5 minutes before taking a power draw reading. For CPU load results, we read the power draw while producing five runs of the Cinebench multi-threaded test as we have found it often pushes power draw and temperature levels beyond those of AIDA 64 and close to Prime 95 (non-AVX) levels. Even five continuous loops of Cinebench results in a short run time on high-performance CPUs which influences the validity of the temperature reading, so we run 5 minutes of AIDA64 stress test to validate data.
The power consumption of our entire test system (at the wall) is shown in the chart. The same test parameters were used for temperature readings.

Those extra cores in i7-8700K demand a fair amount of extra juice, compared to i7-7700K. There is nothing alarming to report but if you run six cores at high speed you need to feed them.

lanoc.org - Intel 8th Gen Core CPUs – Coffee Lake
Power consumption:
Well, the 8700K is up in power draw from the 7700K. Under load I saw it pull 173 watts compared to 123 for the 7700K, the extra cores had to be powered somehow I guess.



techspot.com - Intel Core i7-8700K Review: The New Gaming King
Power Usage
It's important to measure power consumption with something that stresses all cores and I've found Corona works well for providing accurate results, so these load figures are based on the Corona benchmark after a single pass and I'm reporting the maximum logged result. This is total system draw and I'm using a Cabac Power-Mate to measure from the wall draw.
When it comes to power draw the Core i7-8700K is certainly on the high side but it’s not as extreme as what we saw from the Skylake-X CPUs.



Several Reviews of i7-8xxx Coffey Lake:

 

@Papusan once overclocked that 20% jumps into 60% more lol

 

It's Yoo, who want *More* powa From the wall

 

Some might hate me for this... But I will put my 50 pence in:
I don't think this Coffee lake is a major upgrade from the 7700K IMHO, I think it is only worth getting if you don't own a 6700K or a 7700K system, or you are wanting the extra 2 cores for intense programs/softwares. Also I'm really worried about the high power consumption effect that it will have in a laptop, and Clevo probably still sticking with the same CPU heatsink won't help with the temps. The 3.7GHz base speed for the 8700K is there for a reason... I rather wait for the new Intel CPU socket, then it will be more future proof and hopefully Clevo will come up with a new chassis design (and improve that dirty keyboard and have 3x mini DisplayPorts for triple external G-sync Nvidia Surround gaming).

I hope this doesn't effect new Clevo laptop buyers. If you don't own a socket 1151 laptop, then grab yourself a Coffee Lake Clevo now. And get it from HID Evolution
There is no upgrade for me here! as I own a P870KM1-G

If BitsPower make a new IHS lid for the CofffeLake to fill in that gap on the Clevo P870XXX heatsink (that's if its the same heatsink): Then, can someone please inform me .

And if Intel is reading this (but I know they wont! as their to busy spending our money ): Then you should have fetched out another Coffee Lake 14nm (improved) 4 core 8 thread CPU, so it would have been compatible with the Z170 and Z270 chipsets.... Then, us Intel fans won't feel scammed on buying a new motherboard on every CPU release

 

afaik a mobo + cpu purchase is needed, so definitely not worth THAT much if just +2 cores, also fact that getting more cores will mean more heat to deal with, lowering the frequency of 6 cores..

until pictures of cpu heatsink comes out i am hesitant really

 

Looking for this?

 

more radiator? do i sense another fan? i think thats a BUY, HARD BUY. link to the image pls thanks!

im currently trying to secure a 5.2ghz 8700k as well. is prema bios at HID or at eurocom or both? @Donald@HIDevolution

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Wher should they put the extra fan? On top of cpu HS.

 

possibly above the heatsink similar to p570wm cpu heatsink. that fan gonna be so thin though.. that would also mean they'll have to change bottom chassis for rear vents. last i saw 870km vents, if added fan, where vents would be is very close to the ports in the back..

 

pffftt.. GPU's going to heat up so much more now. Thats a hard bye bye to even light overclocks for the GPU's. But this separating the 2 heatsinks might improve the contact for the GPU's.
HARD PASS.

Nope HARD PASS.
That extra fins array, seems to be for the VRM's. Since it will sit right on top of them in the slight gap right next to where the main radiator sits. This is something on the lines of what i mentioned in the other thread , about trying to use the internal space better.
End of the day that tiny radiator wont do much, since it is going to be cooled passively for the most part.
Also the GPU's will run slightly hotter now, but the fit might be better.

At least they had the brains to finally cover that gap between the radiator and the fan.

 

if you see closely, extra fins is ontop of the pipes too pass right under it, with good solder job it'll take heat off the cpu not just the vrms.

as for GPU boys its tough job. this is why im getting only 1 GPU. this is also what happens when they had the vapor cooling for GPU direct it right above CPU heatsink, unless they somehow make the chassis thicker yet again they can fit this new cpu heatsink in PLUS the vapor GPU heatsink, not that its not possible.

if no added fan/vents with this new cpu heatsink, then PASS just like you said, if so then BUY.

 

Totally what I was thinking, what was Intel thinking making all the new CPU's only fit that one-shot z370 chipset/motherboard 1151??

Intel needs to continue to release whatever CPU's power demands fit the z170 and z270, and when the z390 comes out ship new 6c/12t CPU's for the z370 as well, since the 8c/16t will be z390 only.

Meeting halfway like that Intel could retain more loyal customers, otherwise I see a whole lot of us moving to AMD now.

 

Thats the thing -



That circled area is where the mini radiator will sit. And it seems to be completely blocked , unless Eurocom uploaded the wrong / outdated images - http://www.eurocom.com/ec/images(429)EUROCOM_SkyX9C
Also once the heat builds up over time, with now where extra for the heat to be exchanged out the temps will peak up

Single GPU will definitely run super cool. BUT do not expect anything over 4.3GHz (4.5Ghz if you are feeling highly optimistic) for daily use. (One all 6 cores i mean)
One might definitely be able to run something like 4.8-4.6-4.4-4.2-4.0-3.8 Ghz , or even 100 Mhz steps.
HIGHLY HIGHLY skeptical on the extra fan. Though it might be possible based on those extra screw holes on the heatsink.

 

This ain't good for gpu's if they haven't increased pipes and Vapor chamber capacity.
For the records... DM1 vs TM1 cpu HS (Could be possible with a mod + DM3 bottom cover)

It could be a passive chilled *extra* Cpu HS

 

Yeah , also seems like they added an extra heatpipe.

 

The third pipes for the pure cpu HS is bigger/fatter. And the passive chilled *extra* Cpu HS have one of the thin pipes. This is possible to use with DM1(with a mod + DM3 bottom cover)


Dm1

 

actually it would be stupid of them to block the radiator fins as that would simply mean heat will build up inside the chassis. look closely at the new cpu heatsink and we see how the new radiator kinda pokes out and not leveled with where primary cpu radiator.

i somehow think this implies that if this was to put into the laptop, it will somehow replace it? perhaps they did use the wrong picture im not sure. if its the right picture, FFS CLEVO way to trap heat inside.

prob get a knife and start digging through those plastic on the back chassis and create a vent myself, buy a super thin fan and solder the powerline to USB port or something rofl and somehow mount it in the laptop.

 

No problem remove the plastic. Because it has no main function for stability.


Something is missing in the pict.

 

BIG CHANGES...

 

worst comes to worst mod is required but not impossible.

also pls dont say passive chill heatsink, that will crush my hope

edit: changed to crush, LOL CRUST

 

Could be a new CPU HS with Vapor Chamber.