Clevo + Coffee Lake: Status?

Add or substract 20% VAT on that depending on how those prices are.

 

I haven't been following Clevo recently. Has some new chassis with 8250/8550u + mx150/GTX 1050 been announced or is expected in the next few months?

 

http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_pro.asp?lang=en

See what you can see.

 

well now i dont see any laptop with i7 gen 8 CFL CPU. sucks

 

Basically because only Kaby Lake-R is available in the near future - CF hasn't been released yet. Appreciate there is a little confusion over what substitutes an 8th Gen Intel mobile CPU at the moment.

 

Intel are making things as clear as mud

 

mobile bga i couldnt care less lol. bring on the 8700k nao!!!

 

This Reddit comment thread details exactly what Coffee Lake is meant to be: a reactionary core count increase using the exact same process and cores as Kaby Lake.

TL;DR: Coffee Lake = slower base clocks for more cores, because thermals.

 

I like the title of that thread

Thermodynamics applies to the 8700k - this isn't magical candy land without science. self.buildapc

"I keep seeing " 7700k with two more cores " or "it'll overclock like a 7700k with two more cores" and "the reason the 7700k ran hot was bad TIM"

Well, first of all we can't really say how high the CPU can overclock. What we can say is this.

• More cores generate more heat.
• The 8700K will be the same size as the 7700k
• There will be more heat in the same amount of space.
• The hotter a CPU gets the more electrical resistance is applied.
• Electrical resistance can cause overclocks to be unstable.
• The base clock is drastically lower than the 7700k base clock."

 

More cores on the same process would lead to a larger die...

 

of course that is how it is. intel claimed 14nm+ over 14nm to be more performance and power efficient, that may only hold true at a certain clock.

CFL however will be 14nm++ and i have heard from sources where its based on CNL design. 3rd party slides confirm over 11% better ST performance but thats with a bit higher clock and faster IMC. we won't know until it's release and tested.

honest to god i would care more about how well it overclock and if the laptop it goes into can cool it, everything else is secondary assuming IPC remains the same as KBL.

 

Well, well, well, "Iced Coffee Lake" in 2H18...

Intel To Launch Ice Lake 8 Core, 16 Thread Mainstream CPUs in Second Half of 2018 – Will Feature Support on 300 Series Platform
http://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-ice-lake-8-core-16-thread-mainstream-cpu-leak/

"The details come from Eurocom, a known manufacturer of high-end laptops and workstations that are designed to be mobile yet fully upgradable.

A representative of the company revealed on Note book Review forums that they will update their Tornado F5 laptop to the Z390 chipset, supporting Intel’s 8 Core, 16 Thread CPUs arriving in 2H 2018. The rep also mentioned that the Tornado F7 will also receive an update but the company has no plans to update their Tornado series to the current Z370 chipset which launches in a few weeks."

And, the leak comes full circle back to NBR

 

Oh my, tech reporting nowadays.
They don't seem to be aware of no Tornado F7 existing as well.
Still, Eurocom pretty much corroborated info we already had regarding Z390/2H18

 

Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC Ryzen7 1700-RX-580 Laptop Review

pure heatsink porn. super neat sink...

Anyway hello guys I'm back after nearly 2 year break.

 

that's a lot of screws just to get to the RAM!

bad design.

 

Then again honestly you are never doing that much with the ram anyway.

Moving them closer to the socket will improve ram clocking/performance which IMO (especially on ryzen) is more important.

 

Well, they needed the best heat sink they could do for that 580

 

If it gave 1080 performance it would not be an issue but you need 1080 cooling on a 1060 class card :/

 

Yeah I think Ryzen laptops makes sense, but not with 580...

 

The 580 looks so underwhelming, a Ryzen and gtx 1070 would do the trick.

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What was it that Nvidia said? Threadripper, the perfect partner to a 1080ti

 

Or 4x 1080ti's

"You can see here from the Top 15 runs in the 3DMark Fire Strike Ultra Hall of Fame that Intel absolutely dominates, but the #12 spot goes to 'Finnsk3' who ran the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X with 4 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti cards in SLI.

Finnsk3 used the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X on the ASUS X399 Zenith Extreme motherboard, with 32GB of G.SKILL 3600MHz DDR4 RAM, and 4 x GTX 1080 Ti cards in SLI. The Ryzen Threadripper 1950X was clocked @ 4.17GHz, which provides a score that beats out the Core i9-7900X from Intel."

Ryzen Threadripper 1950X enters the 3DMark Hall of Fame
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59063/ryzen-threadripper-1950x-enters-3dmark-hall-fame/index.html

I doubt the Coffee Lake 6c or Iced Coffee Lake 8c could do as well

 

It that setup does is bench though, try and load up any other work load and it crashes so does not count IMO.

 

that heatsink looks damn awful rofl

donno if its the trend nowadays since MSI love to advertise how many heatpipes they got in their laptop etc. having more heat pipes doesnt mean better cooling if its only to redirect heat between heatsink.

 

Or the heat have to be transported around the whole inside of the chassis, before it reach the grills

 

And theres a whole lot of uncooled VRMs all over the place too some of which must be feeding the hi po parts of it

 

Z370 Motherboard Tested With Kaby Lake Proc - Did Not Pass Post Stage

"Now the conclusion from them is that the procs are not compatible, however if imho if the Celeron G3930 passes most tests in the BIOS post stage and simply reset at the VGA detection, well personally I tend to believe that it MIGHT be possible to get older procs compatible with new BIOS updates (if Intel allows it). I mean VGA is the last detection stage, ergo the CPU and memory at that stage already have cleared to OK status." Time will tell...

 

A user of an italian forum created a new funny name for next Intel cpus: Salty Lake

 

I just imagine these people people being around in the PII/PIII era or before and laugh a little.

 

Internally they treat Z390 as CoffeeLake (CFL) and tease Z370 as TeaLake (TLK) as it is really only a KabyLake (KBL) chipset update (KBL-R) to support the 6 Core Chips.

 

Lmao. A reviewer tried Kaby in a z370 and a 6 core coffee in a z270 and they didn't work. Yet, it is just a refresh. Can Intel screw consumers any harder?

 

It's an electrical update for 6-core. Usually they force us to buy a new chipset for no reason, but this time had to update in order to keep up with Desktop AMD, hence no mobile versions.

 

That only makes it slightly better. But will it support the 8-core chip, or is 9 months the new yearly chipset? Because since ice is likely to be fivr, it shouldn't be compatible with a coffee chipset.

 

That's too far in the future to freely comment on now...

 

What does that mean? Is it vendors opting to add more VRM and MOSFETs with increased power delivery to cripple existing boards from being compatible with future intel's?

 

Intel creates 4C KBL-X (KBL-S DIE), 10C LCC SKL-X and 18C MCC SKL-X in one and the same X299 LGA2066 platform, but 4C KBL-S and 6C CFL-S (KBL-S + 2C) in Z(170/)270 LGA1151 platform no chance? Excuse me, but somehow that is not comprehensible to me.

 

Intel does whatever it wants. They still have no competition on the mobile sector.

 

The Enthusiast LGA2066 socket and X299 chipset had been designed for high core count from the ground up.
For Mainstream their original plan was to just release higher clocked KBL refresh Z270 compatible 4core CPUs this year and then 6core+ CFL next year. Hence they are still calling Z370 KBL-R...

 

A 50% uptick in core count is not a trivial matter usually.

 

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/stat...io/iframe/twitter.min.html#910583388704329728

looks like the 10nm delay was incorrect so 8core mainstream from intel 10nm+ still slated for 2H2018, or so to speak end of 2018.

 

Yes Intel does whatever it wants, but the LGA1151 socket is the desktop mainstream cpu part, for the mobile sector Intel uses BGA processors.

That is meant CFL without overclocking significantly more energy than KBL, so that LGA1151 + Z270 is no longer sufficient?

Have Z170 or Z270 Mainboards problems sufficient power to supply for 4C KBL @ 4.8 to 5.0GHz? Is the P870DM2 mainboard affected? Needed an i7-8700K without overclocking more energy than a >4.8GHz i7-7700K, so you should be afraid a LGA1151 + Z270 motherboard would most likely die?

 

Not a power problem...

 

Okay, you know you are our man ... we wait impatiently for your own CFL findings

 

New Core i7 8700K Cinebench Scores Leaked - Shows Better Perf
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-core-i7-8700k-leaked-shows-better-perf.html

 

Z370 chipset supports only new 8th gen 6C/12T CFL CPUs - current Skylake 6th and Kaby Lake 7th gen CPUS are not supported, Z170 and Z270 chipsets do not support 8th gen CFL CPUS. This is confirmed by both Intel and our initial testing.

 

What's the technical problem? New microcode needed?

 

Will 370 boards support CFL2 or no?

 

This is as per Intel design (POR) spec so called H/W limitations of previous chipsets to support new silicon architecture used by CFL CPUs.

 

z390 is mentioned along with the 2H18 release of the 8 core Intel CPU, that seems like a strong indication that the 8 core Intel CPU won't be backwards compatible with z370, do you have any details on that?

 

Z370 chipset and 6C/12T CPUs are based on 14nm silicon which is actually Kaby Lake. Z390 will be based on Cannonlake 10nm. So technically Z370 is Kaby Lake2.