Clevo + Coffee Lake: Status?

It would seem odd if Intel didn't offer 4 core / 6 core CPU's in the same "release class" as the 8 core CPU's, offering a range of CPU core count solutions vs only offering the 8 core CPU alone.

Any thoughts on the 4 core / 6 core CPU's in the 8 core future?

Will Intel continue the current 4 core / 6 core options in the 8 core future, or will Intel release 4c/6c CPU's on the same process as the 8 core, also compatible with the z390 motherboard chipset?

 

Die harvests of 8 core design will probably fill out 4/6 core parts

Icecoffee lake is eta 2H18 i.e. - a year away, and that still gives plenty of time for further 10nm delays.

 

so we can expect mainstream 8 cores to come with 10nm or 10nm+, i hope to see some ipc increase and power efficiency. making the 8 cores of 10nm+ to be similar power consumption at 6 cores ivy/cfl at similar frequency.

 

so big question is, 6core clevo z370 out in november? when is it coming?

 

They should, my 6900K at 14nm is 8 core.

 

finally get a decent 8 core laptop with new chipset features

 

Typically modern process jumps don't give quite those sorts of gains in efficiency.

 

Still not clear to me @Eurocom Support does that mean that that CFL2 CPUs on the Z390 boards won't work on Z370 boards because of the process change? Want to know if I need to hold fast for CFL2 or if it's okay to get a CFL1 laptop since there will be an upgrade path later.

 

they dont know. ultimately intel can change this up. first promise then change it up, or say its not compatible then change it due to competition. 8core mainstream is at least a year away so we've all got to wait.

 

Will Z370 plans from Clevo resellers come on October 5th? Are all the NDAs up by then? Just the Eurocom custom Tornado F5 is confirmed to skip Z370.

Or does Clevo have its own NDA and Z370 laptops might not be launching until March 2018, but we won't even hear about it until February 2018?

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I'm looking for a fast i7-8700 system (65W, 12MB cache accessible by any one core, 4.6GHz Skylake IPC, 6c/12t, stock DDR4-2666MHz). My applications love cache and 12MB is just insane; and only $303? Come on.

I don't need to wait for 8 cores; law of diminishing returns is huge. And, for any old folk like me, does anyone remember the Core 2 Duo E8700? 3.5GHz dual-core, 6MB cache, $300. Oh, have times ever changed...

 

Clevo with Z370 and coffee lake LGA 6-cores cpus should come in November

 

Oh, wow, nice! That's pretty dope. Thank you for the info. +1

 

honestly i am very hyped about it but also very worried. a 4 core what use to be 91w now 65w, if OEM truely believed that and design their heatsink based on 65w thats some hardcore crippling right there. CFL is basically SKL/KBL with a bit better binned silicon, we might be able to run 100-200mhz more at same temp or power thats about it.

we dont take TDP seriously anymore really but OEMS do.. im scared a 95w heatsink for 6 core and i cant even run on default clocks ROFL.

also, CFL has the same IPC as Skylake.. a 4.6ghz 8700 will have same IPC as 4.6ghz 6700k per core if caching and memory not used that much.

 

I hope Clevo's engineers clearly can see and understand Intel's Representative's statement.

Intel Arbitrarily Breaks Coffee Lake Compatibility With Z270 Forcing Users To Buy New Z370 Motherboards

Intel Representative via VCZ
"Getting the max out of 6 core processor required changes to our motherboards, specifically to provide improved power delivery to new 6-core processors.

We also took the opportunity to improve our overclocking capabilities by improving the package power delivery to the CPU. This is an another change that required motherboard changes.

We also took the opportunity to improve our overclocking capabilities by improving the package power delivery to the CPU. This is an another change that required motherboard changes."

 

A) Taking intel's statements as gospel over this whole affair is quite funny.
B) Yes the engineers will be aware of all the engineering consequences of this kind of thing.

However do note that you don't just get 6 cores for free, so I hope all of you are aware of the consequences required in all of this.

 

I'm sure they can manage it if they sort out the HS to IHS contact issues.

 

i am thinking its more than only the IHS issue now. if clevo took intel seriously and really thought a 6 core cpu with similar efficiency really only rated 95w (which is only 4w more than 7700k) and then they had designed p870dm/km1 CPU heatsink as 91w and simply reuse it, we gonna have a huge problem..

8700k runs hot, easily close to 150w and over for harder tests, we need something like p570wm heatsink..

 

Heavy OC on 8700K mean a Hell lot more powa and heat than oc'd 4 core kaby i7. This isn't enough

Max OC'd 8700K will exceed 150w easy. I have passed 131W already for 7700K in P870.

 

Intel can program the TDP to what they like, it will just limit the frequency when pushed unless you raise the TDP yourself.

Next comes the engineering decisions on how to approach headroom and design to go beyond that.

 

well the K version isnt going to get power/current locked down unless laptop oem made their bios to purposely not go over the rated TDP. we can only wait for prema's bios mod at this point.

 

I just meant in any future chassis coming from Clevo.

 

Stock behaviour. Remember the stock performance is far beyond that of other chips already.

 

For the 24/7 operation would be completely okay for me a 8700K @ standard clock frequencies ... better than no 6Core 8700K in the Z170 P870DM3-G

The hope dies last ... *cough* Prema *cough*

 

i thought clevo will be making a high end laptop, not just putting everything in as stock. no real point buying a dumbed down laptop. paying for a K CPU in a so called "high end" laptop but has no room to overclock, yeah thats no go.

 

I think you should benefit Clevo that they are the only ones use the desktop CPUs with high >90W TDP in notebooks. The very high heat of the high-end hardware must be dissipated from the case, also Clevo are set physical limits and can not conjure.

The notebook factor limits the size of the heat sinks. The majority of notebook buyers want slim notebooks, the market for really thick heavy 17" DTR is very small.

Clevo tries a middle way to connect both worlds: maximum performance in the most sleek possible design.

 

I think that they try to let you OC as much as humanly (as well as safely and financially) as much as possible. We're just seeing the limitations of thin form factors, hot chipsets, and available cooling tech.

 

imho 2 fans for a cpu heatsink wouldnt be too much to ask, we needed that.

 

I'm assuming that we're still being speculative here and there's nothing officially announced yet?

 

PxxxTMx should be new series with coffee

 

Ok great. I'll have to keep waiting them. No big deal.

If I do get a laptop with coffee lake I'm gonna give it a coffee name as codename like...

Latte
Macciato

And so forth. You get the picture LOL

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The P870TM-G "Cafe Latte" as as example.

Anyway I better stop before I offend someone with useless rambling.

 

where do you see this? on clevo's website?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1638821/coffee-lake-binning

get ready to visit them for high overclockZ

 

ask @Dakka3

 

Seems GN got some insider info on the state of things...

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3069-hw-news-intel-h370-b360-zen2-aib-partner-vega-cards

Intel found some examples where it wouldn't work, so bingo, found the excuse to force everyone to have to buy a new Intel chipset and socket (and tb controllers and the rest) in a new motherboard, including the high end ones that probably would have been perfectly fine...

 

https://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2017/09/29102229365l.jpg

lmao donno how gigabyte allow 5.4ghz on their mobo, guess the chip itself has to be real nice to be able to do that.

 

The well-known german overclocker 'der8auer' say the Z370 LGA1151 has the same pin count, but the function of some contacts (pin out) is different to Z270 LGA1151. Intel has removed individual contacts from the iGPU and should use these additionally for the cpu core power supply (more vcc & gnd pins). Up to 300W worst case with overclocking in prime95. CFL could theoretically work in older mainboards if the board manufacturer did not use reserved/unused pins of the LGA1151 somehow differently.

from 2:49 in german language:


In the German hardwareluxx forum, a user looked at the Intel product specifications Gen7 vs Gen8.
He found out that CLF has 146 VCC pins and KBL / SKL uses only 128 VCC pins.
14% more VCC pins should be necessary to operate 50% more CPU cores and be decisive over Z170 / 270 compatibility?
Does not sound convincing for me.

 

There always has to be some margin for power, they will also add extra in case of poor contact.

 

ENGLISH REVIEW + NEW CHARTS – INTEL CORE I7 8700K & INTEL CORE I5 8600K – COFFEE LAKE + AORUS Z370 ULTRA GAMING
Power consumption and temperatures (8700K@4700MHz)


8700K@4700MHz


i7-8700K ran at 4.7GHz on all cores(stock clocked [email protected] will be more like 1390/1400cb)


Cinebench R15 – Intel Core i7 8700K – 5100MHz – 1.4v

 

I have compared all the LGA1151 pins from SKL / KBL and CFL, which are the remaining differences. Does anyone know whether CFL has a Z170 / 270 no-go pin?

 

i am hoping to get one with 5ghz at 1.25 or under if possible lol. such a chip maybe capable of doing 5.3 be listed on SL website but at those power consumption and temp, 1.25v would be enough.

 

I wonder if an adapter socket is possible... Will need to remove that metal CPU clamping mechanism first though!

 

Any kind of substrate would normally mess with mounting/z height.

 

Intel Coffee lake Uses Different Pin Configuration Than Kaby Lake and Skylake on the LGA 1151 Socket

"While we can put many theories to rest with this new detail, I think much of the confusion could have just been avoided if Intel clarified this themselves. Of course, if you are making the boards with a new PCH and new series of processors on the same socket that ran the previous CPU line, consumers would definitely want to know more why the new platform that has the same socket cannot support their older chips. We previously heard about the LGA 1151 V2 naming scheme and that may have sorted some confusion but as we can tell, all motherboards still use the LGA 1151 naming scheme which may lead to people thinking that their 6th and 7th generation processors can run on the newer boards."

 

i think its fine to make 870dm/km a bit thicker and wider, even 1-2cm. cooling is important man, more cooling more overclock

 

Anyways TW clevo reseller already listed 870TMG on their website.

 

What's that?

 

cant find it lol, pls link us!!

edit: found it here.. http://www.tieba.com/p/5352798808

they reusing the chassis so pretty much just a mobo and cpu change.. probably 800-900$ to upgrade? but then reusing the same CPU heatsink for now 6 cores it is what i feared most.. @Papusan time to skip for me, maybe you can upgrade with just buying a mobo + cpu.

 

Sager np9877

https://www.sagernotebook.com/NP9877-P870TM-G/

 

noice, its really really sad we wont get to see a new build, which means same CPU heatsink (small) for 6 cores as well as possibly no iGPU support. it will be a new mobo due to socket/chipset so iGPU has a small possibility but knowing clevo saving money i doubt it. we might need to hear from @Eurocom Support @Donald@HIDevolution and @Meaker@Sager