Clevo + Ryzen: possible?

rather than that, i'd say companies does good or bad over time and they can shift because the people work there and management them changes as well, so do their policies/procedures. i work in a big telecommunication company and i have seen fair shares of issues so yeah any companies can be extremely poor and judging from 1 time experience doesnt really mean anything, which is kinda sad.

most often i find funny that people would say i never have any issue with company A and such to argue against that company B is bad in comparison to company A, which imho is retarded. simply havent encounter a major issue to address anything yet.

ryzen in clevo i'd prob take a look, in any other company? no chance because soldered BGA GPUs. that ryzen better be 8c 4.5ghz ryzen 2 next time i see it though, cant stand the low clocks.

 

If it was running at 4.5ghz it'd burn a hole through your desk.

Clockspeed is not so much of an issue with 8 cores anyway.

 

I wouldnt mind 4.0Ghz ryzen in a laptop with a RX 580 and a not garbage keyboard.

Unless Im mistaken Asus still has the only laptop with most of those qualities but I dont think its even out yet.

 

From what I heard, Nvidia has no functional issue working with Ryzen on mobile; so anything preventing a 1700 with a 1080 is probably political. Who's politics? No idea.

Edit: when I say "what I heard", I mean I physically asked Nvidia techs over voice chat.

 

As for Asus not exactly having good customer service—that's a fairly common sentiment across Reddit. Generally good quality in their products, but woe betide you if you ever have to RMA them.

 

It's a new configuration so would need a fair amount of validation, then there is the fact you could be loosing out on gaming benchmarks versus other models and most of the cost being in the GPU these days for mobile systems.

 

I wonder which regions will get the 8gb model cos 4gb is not enough vram nowadays.

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4GB will do 1080p still.

 

Looking forward to it happening. I'd be interested even if Alienware took a swing at it

R6: Siege will saturate 4GB at 1080p sadly but for that game I dont really need fancy graphics

 

Most of the gaming laptops have a 7700HQ, so I think the AMD Ryzen 1700 / 1600 will come out ahead in that comparison. The Ryzen 1700 / 1600 might even beat the 7820HK OC'd in the games where Intel edges ahead with the 7700K.

A 1700 / 1600 + 1080 would outperform a 1700 / 1600 + 580 in gaming by enough to make it worth while building.

Now we know AMD will be bringing a Vega RX to Mobile, it might match a 1080 mobile performance, so perhaps there's no need for a mixed Ryzen + Nvidia model

 

There are games I have that often pass 4GB

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Edit: Disabling Texture Streaming on Killing Floor 2 is known to fix some performance issues for some users. Doing so results in HUGE vRAM usage even at 1080p, as seen below:

 

Be careful that SLI memory counting can often double the real number.

 

With the power requirements for the Vega series cards I have doubts they'll stick the same chip into a laptop. I could be wrong, they may do just that, but I don't see it being very likely. Even Nvidia came out with a mobile version after the heat and power issues they had with the 10 series desktop chips in mobile units.

There is this though.
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-2500u-leak

 

The cut down pro reduces the target TDP quite a bit. You could likely get something OK out of 180W but it would not be the full whack of performance of course.

 

30% more power consumption means a LOT more in notebooks than desktops

I do expect, as with Polaris, that underclocks will support even greater undervolts and that will significantly reduce power. Maybe optimisation for as yet unseen features, HBC, TBR, FP16 shaders, will help level things more.

But Vega as a top end high performance part coming from a looong way behind. The only door open to them is due to nVidia's historically high prices.

 

Often the gaps are there due to the incumbent getting lazy

 

Or another run or two on crypto currencies.

 

Don't say that, you'll make it happen. This last shortage was annoying enough.

 

coffeelake-S 6c 5ghz, just need a decent heatsink. 2 fans a must!

 

gonna get ripped off again you know

 

You mean like most resellers sager out there too lazy closing up the heatsink gap between the fans and fins on Clevo laptops?

Or the 99 other problems with cooling solution? But Intel/Nvidia TJmax isn't one?


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6c 5ghz worth. well depending on the price is worth.

 

The P870DM-G actually had flexible plastic sheets attached to the heat sink radiators that covered up the gap between the fans and radiators. I don't know why they did not do the same for the DM3 and KM1 unless the extra nickle's worth of material was too much of a profit loss.

 

I'm not going to buy another Clevo flagship DTR again to get a CPU upgrade.

This will be my last.

Doubt the plastic cost to them is even 1 us cent...

 

Same.
Sad thing is a lot of people will still buy them and go through the same issue, maybe even worse.

 

Could you not try and put words in my mouth please? If you want to say something, say it yourself.

 

Much worse I'd reckon.

 

what kind of issues? from my point of view they look much better than any other bga junks out there.

 

I don't personally get it.

No previous socket has ever had more than 2 generations with Intel, and people expected this to suddenly change and last over many generations?

We are talking decades of precedent here.

 

@Mobius 1 so you are upset that p870km can't upgrade to 6c and have to buy a new laptop? that problem is with intel, not clevo, and its been like that for ages just as meaker pointed out.

 

There ain't other options if you want or will shall buy new laptop. Everything else is a Hell lots much worse choice. I don't want pay any money on BGA junk. Desktop is the only other option.

 

Start from here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nge-phoenix-3-0.800081/page-200#post-10574113
BGA junk = worthless
Stock Clevo by 99% of resellers = crappy performance holding back maximum potential performance

With Ryzen and Threadripper putting pressure on Intel, you would think they'd be less of a happy merchant and try to do damage control.

But I guess common sense is nothing nowadays ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Well get cheap BGA junk and spend the actual bulk of the money to assemble a good desktop!

 

No upgrade-ability over release that is about just over half a year old??

 

find that 1% reseller and buy from them, problem solved. in my case, i'd get from john because they guy knows his stuff but thats just me.

 

Nothing changed back in the Althon 64 days either, plus ryzen was not on the radar when this chipset was being designed.

So again I ask why think this would change?

 

I can use my 4 laptops I already have. They will last many years. Even my +7 Years Clevo is a Hell lot better than the junk out there. I will not spend $140-200 on a new JokeBook. My money will be used on new desktop. But I want to see what new laptop options will come first. I ain't and will never be a GP.

 

Except the alienware/msi/asus BGA jokebooks are in hot demand on 2nd hand market by 8-year old kids. So easy to sell and fast to get a new one.


Who knows about Clevo and the 99% of lazy resellers that you can possibly buy from?

 

Yeah DM1 was the last decent system with the least amount of issues. Anything after, has been a pure headache for most, if not all users.

 

I know very well people buy junk. Even second hand.

If Clevo had come with top noch heatsink - cooling, I would still dismantle the machine and make it my way. I know things could be better, but even good cooling will be better with your own touch.

 

thats one benefit going for more famous/known brand name, to sell machine off easier. if you want to buy them simply because its easier to resell then yeah. still though, buy from 1% and be good with machine.

exactly. we also want to know if there are things we can do to make it better.

 

Clevo not having any standards leaves the machine only viable when purchased from those 1%.

I'm not saying that every machine should be perfect from every reseller, but rather have a sensible standard that it doesn't overheat during use.

 

So why spend more for socketed CPU when it's not going to provide any performance benefit with upgraded CPU's?

The 6700K => 7700K didn't provide any benefit, I doubt anyone went out and bought a 7700K to replace their 6700K, maybe some i5 -> i7's happened, but there wasn't a good performance reason between top Skylake and top Kabylake CPU's.

That's why I keep saying, a good laptop soldered BGA CPU is going to last the life of the laptop just fine. It's not going to fail, it's not going to lose out on upgrades, it's a good solution for 99% of the people out there.

The differentiator isn't the socket, it's the power range increase from 45w to 95w, and in a laptop that means heavy cooling equipment and noisy fans, and low battery life. There are some BGA CPU's with unlocked power that benefit from OC'ing well into the LGA power range, few really need this, but it does support those that like to fiddle with it.

Intel has a long history of not supporting a socket long enough to get the benefit's of in socket upgrades, especially if you buy the top end CPU each time.

My 980m was upstaged by the 990m, but I was already running OC at a higher speed, so it wasn't worth spending another $1100.

The AMD PGA Ryzen will have better long life potential in a desktop / laptop, providing AMD sticks with their promise of 4 years of upgrade life in AM4 and AM4+.

Even with a long socket lifetime, my AM2 / AM2+ CPU upgrade path was zero because I started with a 9950 BE, there was nothing faster made after that until AM3, without AM2+ compatibility.

Historically I don't see the LGA / PGA approach giving much benefit, we always buy the top CPU anyway, and neither Intel nor AMD offer upgrades worth doing within the lifetime of the socket.

 

wow 40 pages already! LOL

 

Clevo laptops are better than every other laptop out there in general, but they still aren't up to desktop performances, I guess that the point was that you can probably do better if going desktop instead

 

Ryzen!! Ryzen!! Ryzen!!

 

Not the big difference between laptops like P870 series vs. desktops with mainstream i7. The difference comes with HEDT who only are in desktops.

 

Most of the differences in performance there come from what else can be added to a desktop besides the CPU.

 

with just 16 lanes on the desktop lulz. even with PLX it'll be reduced performance on pcie slots. gotta go full HEDT man. HHHL or full height SSD cards are the way to go.

 

Was more thinking better/more cooling options, better potential GPU hardware, higher potential storage volume, that sort of thing.