Clevo 2020

Doubt it but we will only see new models in Q2 when Nvidia presents Ampere

 

You're gonna need a bigger boat chassis.

 

300 Watts of Power at Full Load
https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-10900k-10-core-cpu-300w-power-consumption/

 

Shoving two more cores into a 14nm chip will do that.

 

I hope rumors are true and big Navi will beat 2080Ti by ~20%, so we could get someting that beats 2080 on mobile
Even now 3900X/5700M will be great for me))

 

Give me a laptop with Ryzen + an AMD GPU that can outperform a 2080 POS, and I won't be able to fork out money fast enough.

 

At what power though?

 

I hope that clevo will gave us AMD version of X170 chassi, so we could have one

I think 340W capacity of X170 cooling system will be enough. Or I'm wrong ?

 

You are talking about a generational 50% jump in GPU power consumption and then you want to add 50% on the CPU as well? So the enthusiast is hoping to cool 500w off this machine at stock?

 

That's been done before though . . . the P870TM1 cools more than 500Watts of GPU thermal output . . . and then another ~100Watts of CPU thermal output. I see no reason to not expect the same level of cooling or more in newer notebooks.

 

It comes down to size, cost (to remain competitive) and thermal density.

 

For now at least, it looks like x170 "only" officially supports Up to 125W Intel Core i7 Desktop CPU
That's 8c/16t. But I bet we will see the i9 modded into it by Prema.

 

That sweet vapor chamber of p870

 

So, did anyone see any other new Clevo chassis’?

 

It's really in the details.. It's ~ 20% in the OpenVR benchmark.
I'd wait and see when we have comparison data from a benchmark where we have enough historical points to indicate what performance to expect.

 

Spread over two cards.

 

Yeah, the Apple mentality still lives strong. Go outside the box and instead be the one deliver optimum performance and cooling was too much ask for. The only differences today between the brands is design language with minor differences in performance/cooling. If Dell do this... We have to doo the same.

 

Go too big and heavy compared to similar spec machines and no one will buy it is generally how it has gone.

 

Released same year... I expect the numbers would been the same if Area-51m have been thicker and heavier.


As I said... Apple thin/equal doesn't mean it always has to be what all want. No options force people on what is already there.

 

Exactly that's on the lighter side for these sorts of machines. If you want to take the current thermal design up then you are going to be a lot heavier.

 

Yeah, I know. But I'm sure a much better thermal design vs the competitors will pick up people. Not all but many. Today we haven't such choices. More like the food stores in Norway. All have/offer the same. Only minor prices differences will separate them.

 

I wish people cared about the things that really mattered @Papusan
But it seems like all you gotta do is, to have the RGB's all over the place to lure in the lemmings.

 

I'm looking forward to 2.5" drives being jettisoned so that frees up quite a lot of space.

 

At the prices m.2 drives are at, no thanks.

But I'm not the target market anymore anyway.

 

They have come down a lot, especially if you use a qlc drive as your game drive.

 

People are too lazy to know what they want. And companies know it. They tell them they want the smallest and lightest possible device and people just throw their money at it. Many companies can do no wrong in most people eyes.

Sucks being part of the smarter minority.

They’re pretty rare in most laptops these days though aren’t they? With a few exceptions like DTR laptops most of them only have m.2.

Or are you really hoping to see all 2.5” drives strapped to a rocket and just forcefully thrown into space?

 

In a 17" chassis I do not see those placed where the cooling is located nor can the batteries get bigger than 99.9 Wh so I do not really see how it would help that much to not even have one single 2.5" SSD that after all will allow for up to 8TB of storage. And by the time you take 2 x 4TB m2 SSD's together and added a proper heatsink to make them as cool as the 2.5" SSD you have not saved much space anyway.

And some more food for thought: The first generation LG Gram 17 that is not known for being big or heavy or having much volume packs a 16:10 17" screen that is both a bit bigger and taller than everything we have in gaming laptops and almost all DTR's at the moment and it also has a 2.5" HDD and a decent battery. I'd say that it should be possible to do better than that with a laptop that weighs roughly 3 times as much even when figuring in better cooling and socketed CPU and MXM graphics.

 

There is always extra you can do with packaging space. The gram was using a 15w CPU so we are talking cooling requires double an order of magnitude larger at least. That tends to impact design

 

Of course, but with three times the weight one should be able to get the job done

 

An order of magnitude is 10x, cooling performance is mostly linear with weight.

You need to cool 20x the heat and you say 3x the weight to do that should be easy.

I take it you don't work in air conditioning systems?

 

Introduce a unified vapor chamber for both cpu and gpu with radiator optimized for the space in the chassis and 3 fans.
That would be a huge step up from what's currently in the x170.

 

I take it you don't really work with laptops if you think that at max the LG Gram only needs a 20th of the power of a high end gaming machine and that cooling capabilities only depend on weight

Kidding aside the difference in power consumption is not that large and closer to one 10th as the LG Gram actually consumes up to 34.8W according to notebookcheck. It does that while still staying very quiet with small fans and rather small ventilation openings and a rather tiny lightweight cooling system that wasn't exactly designed in the best possible way but more to get the rather easy job done. So no we do not need that much weight I'd say as there is room for improvement in multiple areas

 

It's only a bit over an order of magnitude is still not much of an argument

 

Cooling us a function of airflow, fin density materials and transport methods. You can have the best transport methods in the world but you will need airflow and fin surface area.

All have implications of cost, size and weight.

Problems tend to get quite different when you change the order of magnitude you are working with.

Ie lifting 10kg is very different to lifting 100kg.

 

I would agree that if both were passive designs it would be much harder to deliver the needed increase in cooling but as you say you can do a lot with added airflow and that can be helped by both openings in the case and high performance fans. I am also sure that with the right ultra high cost materials weight could go down but price would go up a lot so obviously there are constraints in that regard, too.

And now I will leave it to Clevo and the X170 to give us a new example of an order of magnitude higher power consumption delivered to us with about a threefold increase in weight and that is including screen, case and keyboard

 

And you can do more if you put more money into the cooling design. Size doesn’t always be the limiting factor. The improvements often come in revision 2

 

Vapor chamber anybody?

 

Two quotes no reply?

 

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Ah yes, that happens when you look at these forums on smaller screens

 

Well actually I never said that I thought that could be achieved, I am not that optimistic
As for wanting it who wouldn't - doesn't mean we can have it

On the other hand it is quite interesting how much fan noise varies even with one manufacturer for example the MSI GT72 and the MSI GT75 show an interesting evolution of volume, weight and noise level that is quite surprising when at the same time the equivalent P870 chassis did neither get louder nor bigger over two generations if I am not mistaken. On the other hand the GT75 can indeed be at least twice as loud at max as the GT72 while also being approximately 25% heavier with about 20% more volume but then the GT75 does not have a vapor chamber and the cooling/noise of the GT72 was considered among the best in class at the time.
So that is some crazy increase for a similar upgrade in performance as one could see from the P870DM-G with 980m SLI to the P870TM-G with 1080 SLI where to my knowledge the TM version is rather less loud at the same temperatures despite having much more powerful hardware and all that at roughly the same weight which means only a very modest weight increase, in addition to that 2 x GTX 1080 cards have to be cooled and not only one.

 

Or they start soldering things to the motherboard and call it progress.

 

Or mix things up a little like MSI when they went from soldered CPU and MXM GPU (GT72/73/75) to soldered GPU and LGA CPU (GT76).

Somebody please correct me but I think Clevo is the only company that will have an MXM GPU in a slim bezel laptop or is there anything else?

As much as we may want something that is even bigger and better from them wer have to respect that they are the only company left standing that stayed with socketed CPU's and that also offers MXM graphics compatible with current and upcoming GPU's.

 

Not unless you count the area 51m and it’s custom gpu’s. So honestly clevo is the last company that I know of.

 

It would have been better for MXM if Dell had used it, too. Hopefully there will be more new designs that use it in 2020.

 

Dell should have used an mxm card and adapter if they wanted a fancy interface.

 

Indeed, won't be much of a universal standard anymore if only one manufacturer continues to use it so the Dell / 51m sales numbers would have helped.

 

Since this thread is called "Clevo 2020" I wanted to ask if anyone of you has some information whether Clevo is going to use the Ryzen 4800h in some new laptops or not this year?

 

Why laptop manufacturers don't use liquid cooling? Only Asus did this once. I don't mean having a giant external device though.

Also what's the reason laptop fans are tiny and not bigger? I just find the change fans quite tiny so wondering how much cooling performance would improve by bigger fans.