Clevo 2020

You didn't like the JEDEC CL22?

 

Rather say that I saw Der8auer struggled with the ram

 

Remember the Agesa is controlled by AMD and they have not had to really run SODIMMs before nor were SODIMMs really developed with AMD chips in mind.

 

Asus have already used AMD desktop chips since Ryzen gen 1 in laptops. Acer followed after with gen 2 chips. How many chances do they need? We are now on Ryzen gen 3 chips and still with same problems.

 

Yeah, they sold like 5 of each of them lol. This is what I was saying about AMD, and this is a water testing moment. If AMD screw it up you can expect big delays to any further models for a while.

 

Fact is, that 3950x laptop kills anything in pro workloads that's currently out there. Pair it with a non bugbook parts for the bigger models.

 

Well if people prove their interest in the AMD product and AMD plays ball then maybe interesting things can happen.

 

I was interested in that laptop but 15" is bad, 17" should be no brainer given how powerful and hot this CPU is. Also the build quality from the video shows it's super bad. Why on earth these companies spend alot of time on what's inside but 0 resource on build materials and design?

Very disappointing. I think if a company had its head in the right place, they could easily cool 3950x at full power. What do you guys think?

Also how about designing additional units for laptops to allow liquid cooling? I know Asus did this for one model but it seems like one off, but I was thinking more like you can use the laptop without it, with only fans but will throttle, but with liquid cooling attachment, no limits, can even do serious OC kind of scenario.

So if you want moderate power, dont buy/use the liquid cooler, otherwise you can carry this extra thing with you, which I would.

 

Things are even worse with regard to size as with the new slim bezels we would need 18+" laptops to go back to the chassis size we used to have with wider bezel 17" models like the Clevo 870 chassis or the MSI GT72/73 and 75 series.

As for liquid cooling I could see that being a thing for a 19 to 20" flagship with the chassis size that 18.4" laptops used to have but something tells me this isn't happening anytime soon. Even with potential reliability issues of liquid cooling aside a realistic expectation would be to see another vapor chamber design from Clevo that at least has a 17" screen.

As for the AMD processors in the higher end Clevo units it has been said before that Clevo wants to see how well they are selling and only then we can hope for them to go all the way with an LGA/MXM flagship design.
I can see them supporting even higher cores and a bigger number of drives in such a chassis that can then be used as a high end workstation / mobile server and not only for gaming.

 

So regarding liquid cooling, the solution would have to be at least a 360mm rad/fan combo to be relevant for such a SKU. Such a solution would need to be quick release and being to able to run without the rad combo as well, if it's not possible to have it plugged in. You want the laptop to remain portable, having to lug around a suitcase with a rad/fan combo besides a heavy DTR is not for all.

Rather, they should take P870 chassis, min/max it for single maxP GPU. It's a proven chassis that has great potential.
Have two interconnecting vapor chambers akin to KM1 VC design, since it's cheaper to have two separate chambers rather than a massive one and will eliminate the problems that unified heatsinks face.
Keep the 3-4 fan cooling solution but with higher CFM fans and increased fin area with two heat exchangers per fan. This way it will still remain portable, albeit heavy.

Vapor chambers are the future, since they are lighter than solid copper and offering much greater cooling capacity for high density power areas.

 

XMG claims their 17" will have 128GB RAM, 4k screen and I hope the same 3950x without ECO mode.

 

They better not be JEDEC CL22, else I'm joining the @Papusan pukey club.

 

Source for the 17 inch version?

I am tempted to pick up a 15 inch one, though. Just because the compile time with that 3950X even at 65W is going to be close to 100% faster than what the 9980H can do, and even single core performance is excellent as well. I would hope that Linux compatibility is a non-issue as it should be using the same EC as past models. Does anyone happen to have a copy of the service manual for the NH58AF1? I did not see it listed on https://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/ yet.

Also this machine has a far better heatsink design than the N970TF did. Should have no issues with the palm rest heating up at idle.

 

It's on the same youtube video someone posted in the previous page, I saw a comment from XMG.

 

Ah, I did see this one from the der8auer review. I assume the XMG ULTRA 17 will be their X170 variant. But I will keep looking for more posts.

 

Wow that sucks, so that means 17" version wont have amd cpu? I think it will have intel then what's the point. I will look for other laptops lol.

 

AMD chips is paired with low middle end Nvidia graphics. Have to make two systems only to be able to use Nvidia's top dog cards cost money.

 

As has been confirmed by XMG / Schenker they first want to see sales on the 15" version and take it from there.

 

Bad move by them to try to sample the sales of a high power laptop with gimped speed, power, very bad build materials and design, and 15" and FHD. I think they will be disappointed hehe.

 

Yes I also have my doubts that this will tell them all they need to know about the chances of a higher end model with AMD chipsets. As for the screen don't get me started, it looks like we only see ridiculously high refresh rates or 4k resolution these days, there is not a single good higher refresh rate low latency QHD display available for 17" laptops. I won't even mention bigger screen sizes where new models have been completely absent for several years.

 

AMD is a true underdog tale, shame that the cards are stacked against them.

 

I second this! My main desktop display is a QHD - low latency TN display. I love it. I wouldn't recommend it for Photoshop, but everything else is so much less eye tiring.

 

Anyone noticed Clevo removed the P775TM1 from their gaming lines of laptops? In their site?

 

X170 cometh.

 

I am actually quite excited even though it is so small. The speakers, the screen, (hopefully) new Super GPU's and it being the first laptop with a 10 Core Intel desktop CPU still make it special.

 

Oh it'll be special alright.

 

Do you guys think there's any chance the X170 could have Nvidia's new advanced optimus technology? I've heard Clevo had to forego optimus on the P775xM and P870xM models to provide the absolute best performance. To my understanding, advanced optimus does not have the performance overhead that their original optimus implementation does since it uses a hardware MUX to give either the integrated or dedicated GPU direct access to the display, so I'm hoping this feature will be included. This would be a major boon for battery life, and in my opinion make the X170 an even better beast than it already seems like it will be.

Call me a dreamer, but I'd love to have a laptop gaming wonder device such as this with great battery life.

 

This exactly. The CPU is great but they really didn't give it the proper accessories to shine. I blame Intel for that

 

Speed is more important for the ryzen platform for the infinity fabric clock.

 

Infinity Fabric is decoupled from RAM speed in Zen2.

 

More wiggle room with dividers but still linked as far I understood.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1562...-ryzen-mobile-4000-series-7nm-apu-uncovered/2

 

Missed that for the new APUs, it will be interesting to see how sensitive to latency it is, it does have the smaller cache.

 

Yes, from what I've seen some substantial gains are to be had there.

 

Intel will continue to dominate the premium gaming laptop market, Frank Azor confirms; no Ryzen 4000 and RTX 2070 or RTX 2080 laptops anytime soon notebookcheck.net | Today

While NVIDIA has brought its RTX 20 SUPER mobile GPUs to new Intel Comet Lake-H laptops, Frank Azor has confirmed that there will be no Ryzen 4000 series laptops with the RTX 2070 or better any time. As expected, Intel-powered machines will remain the gaming laptops of choice for 2020.

 

And that is how you don't get my business. The 4900H is an amazing CPU for gaming, what a joke.

 

AMD stuff is impressive and I hope they continue building better products. But let's not talk about gaming on skinny porta pottys running at a constant 95c.

 

Well ours comes with the 2070 but AMD did this to themselves, hopefully we see progress like the zen march on desktop.

 

Intel has more banking power than AMD, if they want they will give OEM CPU's by the truck load, and force the OEM's to only do crap tier laptops with AMD CPU's, like it is already usual, crappy cooling that wont even handle a 15W CPU, single channel RAM, 1999 tier displays, garbage plastics, you name it..

 

So no MXM/AM4 combos?

 

PC50DF1
https://buyclevo.com/en/laptop/PC50DF1_1075




PC70DF1
https://buyclevo.com/en/laptop/PC70DF1_1078

 

Not for now, no.

 

They'll make them an offer they can't refuse.

 

what about this one?
NP50DB
https://buyclevo.com/en/laptop/NP50DB_1033

 

so basically is it a design made by AMD itself?

 

@Meaker@Sager I recently ordered The NP7958F1 equivalent NH58AF1 is there any way you can send me the full-service manual so I can become familiar with it while I await its arrival? I can't really find any info other than what's out there and that is sparse at best. This is my first time being an early buyer of a new product and the anticipation is killing me because my parts have started arriving and I need to keep busy or ill anticipate to death lol. I would greatly appreciate it!

 

XMG posted a link to part of the service manual (no schematics or parts BOM list) here:
https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-apex-15-xap15e20/?wpdmdl=3757&ind=1586402186961
which is taken from their Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/com..._apex_15_with_amd_ryzen_desktop_cpu/?sort=new

 

every Manual I've downloaded so far stops at page 2-18. I've not yet found the full book PDF yet.

 

@win32asmguy My re-seller got back to me with the manual, lets see if it's the full one. @Meaker@Sager Nix that but TYA!