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Mr fox I like allot of what you post but damn man you are a little to much of an apologist in my opinion and frankly though your statements might be true and i understand your fondness of him bieng a close friend...maybe you could let the man be a man and come to his own defense?
Prema I get that and i respect that as a friend I do but it was coming off a bit over the top and i felt you were more than capable of speaking for yourself, I like Mr. Fox and i read his posts often because it actually makes me think and grow in a technical aspect however I must draw the line were he excused the people over at Clevo for not updating there bios(which is what im upset about) because in his eyes everyone conducts themselves in such a manner and as a matter of fact should not because they would screw up...giving up is not right and im disappointed in this considering how much he goes on and on about BGA....really frustrates me honestly.
Yeah i want your bios Prema but ive given up a while back and my only gripe being that im a outsider looking in with you is one of constructive criticism being that people would at least like to be responded to and in no way was i criticizing you or your software because i wont have a chance to use it till i order another laptop.
Aside from that yeah im miffed that Clevo has not updated there bios simply because my old hp had more bios updates not to mention ive been told by Xotic they would have one update for the bios over two months back in a months time...yet nothing!!!
Well, you know I'm supporting you in all you do! You've been amazing to this community. I remember seeing you had posted back in 2011 when I got my p170hm, but you had the p170hm3 and I didn't really participate in the forums back then. Fast forward to the P770 systems and I was finally able to show my appreciation. Hope all is well and if you ever need to chat, let me know.
Again there is a Prema review thread this is about Clevo bios and nothing more but some of you have a bit to much fanaticism regarding Prema, the fact is this is for Clevo Bios and nothing else and im keeping to my statement about how im angry of there lack of support...
I understand your frustration with the crappy stock fithware. If I had to use a Clevo with the stock BIOS the fact of the matter is that I would never own one. Same applies to other brands. The reason is that all of them are incompetent and release nothing but crippled filthware. There are no notebooks with a good stock BIOS. If we're talking about a mainstream Dell, HP, ASUS, Acer, MSI, Lenovo, Razer or some other turdbook, it's not a big deal because they have such pathetic performance potential with lame hardware that there is no point in burning any calories on caring about what options are available in the BIOS.
But, I don't understand how you concluded I was making excuses for Clevo not releasing filthware updates. Nothing could be further from the truth. That is totally inexcusable. If my choice of words led you to believe that, it must have been a poor choice of words on my part. My point was and is that there is no point is flashing a screwed up new version of filthware when it's 99% certain it's going to suck about as bad as what was already there. That applies to pretty much all stock BIOS. It always blows, and if you're stuck with a sucky piece of trash after the update, why bother with the update. That's what I'm saying. There is no legitimate excuse for the lameness of all notebook OEM filthware.
Well to an extent your right but I tend to feel that we as a consumer should not accept it and should demand more...frankly this is an argument you have made about BGA vs LGA and i agree however you can not make one argument and then accept complacency on another front as important as this! That said even though a major brand might always blows it should be given props that they have some forum of pride in there product because when a company doesn't have any updates then that's a symbolic to me of no pride in there work and that's what im sensing from Clevo.
Also what I know about a major brand is you know what kinda pile your getting into however with Clevo its branded as more consumer friendly and a gaming laptop and what not...
Reading your last posts i think you are wrong in some points:
-You never bought anything from CLEVO
-CLEVO is not a brand it´s a manufacturer, imagine it as a "factory"
-CLEVO should have ZERO support to end client
-The place where you buy your laptop is THE BRAND
-So you need to compare the service of THAT brand with others
There´s no point complaining about CLEVO, NONE, you need to complain about the brand where you bought: "XMG, EVOC, HID, OBSIDIAN, PCS, whatever..."
Brands that are doing their job will have regular BIOS updates, either with custom stuff, special options, designed ECs, etc, these brands should also have good support, and should be able to send information and problem reports to CLEVO.
- All problems we reported to CLEVO got fixed
- Every time we ask for BIOS information / updates they comply.
- They even go as far as to allow us to improve stuff in the motherboards (rework)
Now about prema, it´s his work, he does have all the right to do whatever he wants with it.
Basically your rant keeps feeding something that i just don´t agree, people bashing CLEVO is pointless and harmful, this needs to stop. CLEVO can have all the faults in the world BUT you need to complain to your re-seller/brand, and THEY need to pass the info to CLEO, find solutions, improve the products, etc. Most of the complaints i see directed to CLEVO is actually poor re-seller work and they are to blame.
John your taking things a little to close to heart and i think you might be getting your feelings hurt on a thing and i feel for you and let me get a few things straight with you...this is yes a thing a thing though resold and re-branded still makes it the same thing...I don't care how you look at it, its the same...why then would there be an entire thread names Clevo Bios and not say Obsidian/Clevo Bios.
I am not ranting here im expressing my self and my frustration though you help the community and i appreciate it i think you may be a bit to self involved at this point by telling my im actually ranting when im not.
I don't doubt for a min that Clevo allows custom work on the system in many ways...i mean its being re-branded and resold right? However why cant i vent on here? You make it clear when you ask for updates or information regarding bios things they comply...isnt this thread called Clevo Bios?
I agree Prema makes a product and im fine with him doing as he pleases but first lets get this right...nothing is more off putting than others coming to his deffence because of being good friends or even fan boys...i hate that this thread cant be about Clevo no its gotta be about Prema. Why cant the fan boys fawn over him on his own thread or something?
Let me add I was ready to get a system with a Prema bios and all my reseller would say is that when contacting Prema he would only say it would be out soon...When the hell is soon?, Mind you that was three months ago. I guess Prema's soon and my soon are diffrent!
John it should also be noted the longer you typed the more mad you got and it is so awful...john im not mad just expressing my self in a constructive way and i really feel sad for you when you think i should not in any way do so....Clevo does have issues sir and im tired of people like your self excusing it!
Humm maybe "rant" was not the best choice of words, heck i just had to google it to be sure what it means... What i was actually trying to say is "Directing your frustration towards something".
My point is simple, CLEVO releases plenty of updates, sometimes even too many BIOS updates to keep up. Since we modify our own BIOS it takes a lot of time from us every time CLEVO releases a update, i am always like 2 or 3 models behind.
So i just do not understand how can someone complain about a lack of updates.
John thank you for clarifying that, means allot....thank you again. First I was not aware they pushed out so many updates but i guess what gives me pause would be that there control center needs work and that doesn't seem to be going anywhere as for bios updates im shocked to hear so many updates roll down the line because we as consumers don't see it and that is across the board...every seller! Truth is every seller is to small to handle bios updates in a promising way and that is why they opt for Prema however being a consumer not included on Pema then its my job to complain about Clevo and there lack of follow up because even if the re-seller is responsible for that then it is my contention that Clevo cancel contractual relationships with sellers who don't fulfill bios end user support and at the end of the day this is still a Clevo issue.
I do want to add a example here Intel sells there chipset on the motherboard not to the consumer but to the manufacture however it is Intel who continues support with drivers...why is it to much to expect that from Clevo?
Let me add John you guys are the only seller actually doing something regarding the Clevo community and it shows with your driver software for sure....lets face facts every re-seller seems almost content with slapping there logo on the bios and calling it a day. Clevo is responsible for who it sells too.
We don´t do just Drivers through the app, we send BIOS updates too using the same app. But it´s not like you "need" to have a app to be doing your job properly as a re-seller/brand. Just add a "downloads" section in the website and let the users have access to it, keep it updated, that´s it.
The problem i have with popular rhetoric is that CLEVO is always the one to blame, and this way re-sellers/brands keep enjoying their immunity and sometimes even jump into the band wagon and will say "it´s CLEVO fault" too.
If most users think buying a PCS is the same as buying a XMG, or buying from those stores who don´t even place brands or logos is the same as buying one OBSIDIAN, then we have a problem. Thinking the laptops are "the same" and the "support" and "service" is the same is a big problem.
If this does not change then what´s the point of working hard, improving the products, doing bios, software, using advanced assembly techniques, etc. To most of user it´s just a CLEVO, all the same, no point spending more money right?
CLEVO needs to create minimal requirements, or something like that, unfortunately, and i do not want to sound racist, but working with Chinese manufacturers on other areas as thought me something, usually they sell to anyone, regardless of what the re-seller/brand does and regardless how the product is supported. The only thing different with CLEVO is that actually a BIG percentage of the community calls the laptops "A CLEVO", so damage made by re-sellers and brands are actually damage to "CLEVO".
I understand that the app sends updates for bios as well and i commend you for that...other's should strive to be more like Obsidian. You have made my point it is just a Clevo...Sure everything you mentioned is spot on and I agree but really lets face it, its a Clevo. It's unfair to expect bios updates from small time re-sellers but it is fair to ask for Clevo to push one out here and there, that's all im saying.
So you know im not knocking you i actually respect how you guys care more than most...but collectively the others sellers don't and frankly who should I i blame? This will bite Clevo in the rear one day mark my words, they don't care and in time the sellers will have milked what they can from them.
Trust me, i understand you, it´s just that we are a company with only around 1 year of existence, our team is made up by 4 workers only. How can you expect me to excuse other re-sellers for not doing more?
I don't, i think your doing right by calling them out but I also of the mind set calling out Clevo after all this is a Clevo thread. I am surprised that all re-sellers haven't come together to either fund a bios team or share and compare notes on continuing software development. Aside from Prema im just talking regular bios updates that i think any end user should be entitled to.
Can someone please post a link with the latest bios for Clevo Laptop P670HS-G. The link in the first post is not working when I tried to download the bios file "Error 404".
Is there a more recent BIOS than version 1.05.05 for the Clevo P670HP6? Obviously, microcode patches for Kaby Lake processors have been pushed as operating system updates, but I thought that perhaps this has been addressed via a BIOS update as well.
The latest BIOS for both the P650HS6-G and the P670HP6 (they both use the same bios) is:
Bios: 1.05.05 release date: 2017-5-04
ME: 11.6.10.1196
KB/EC : 1.05.05 release date: 2017-3-01
As someone working at a reseller, I would like to be able to keep the newest BIOS's flashed to the systems I am producing, but repeatedly I am finding myself in a spot that I have been given zero tools to do so. I am supposed to have a custom graphic embedded into the BIOS, but I don't have the programs to do it, and the programs I do have access to, no longer work with the 'Secure Bios' and the crazy naming scheme that I have been getting from Clevo.
With the last few generations of laptops I have been working with, I have found the best and most reliable way to flash the BIOS's are through the UEFI interface built into the bios. It operates like a Linux console, but unfortunately, scripting is nearly impossible because the program doesn't seem to be reading the entire text in the script files.. only partial commands, partial names, etc. Any scripts written by Clevo are also broken. The best way to do it, is to remove all the trash from the scripts, and boil it down to several lines of code to enter by hand.
Brows to the folder on the USB key, then:
Meset.efi
reboot again
FPT.efi -f p650hp3a.8m -l 2097152 -y
afuefix64.efi p650hp3a.rom /p /b /n /l /r
uecflkash64.efi ep65hp.03 /ad /f2
I make a print out of each of these so that I have an easy reference.
I understand the Prema Bios will potentially fix the USB3 issues in Windows 10 with some of the Clevos. I have the W370ET. any chance I could get the bios file (I did request permission on the wordpress website as z_row). Would be greatly appreciated. have no problem donating to the cause as well.
PCSpecialist use the standard Clevo BIOS so it's not recommended to use a BIOS from another manufacturer unless they also use the standard Clevo BIOS as it may brick your laptop
Hey people! anyone know links on standard original LATEST bios for my clevo 870DMG 980m cards? im firmwared Prema bios, but it sux, anytimes with Bsods, but i cant find newest version, only old by 2014 age. Can you help me? Site Prema right now private,i cant download original from his site.
If you get black screens on stock clocks, then the MOSFETs need better contact for cooling. You could also just reduce the thermal limit in NVIDIA Inspector a bit to introduce throttling and keep it cooler.
Do you have g-sync or regular GTX980M?
I contacted my reseller HIDevolution and they walked me through the BIOS update. Apparently, My EC got updated to 1.05.08, but my BIOS version remained the same (1.05.04) after the BIOS update? They are going to look into why that is, but anyone have a clue why the BIOS didn't update?
Hi, I've been having problems with my clevo (constant beeping and fan(s) blowing maxed out, following a restart).
Contacted vendor that asked me for BIOS/EC version, saying I needed an update....still waiting for them to send the update/instructions. Does anyone know where I can get the latest bios/ec (and instructions) for a clevo N800HK series?
Hello blacky and Prema
Can you provide the latest P670RG BIOS, EC and Vbios(OC) download?
I can not get any information on "premamod.com" and "biosmods.wordpress.com" because I opened the page it just prompts me to enter my email address, but nothing happens after I type in the email address.
thank you very much.
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Blacky@Prema
I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but I have an Origin PC EON 15-X, which seems to be the Clevo P750-DM2G. Since I am not the first owner, Origin PC won't allow me access to BIOS upgrades. I've been attempting to find out whether an updated BIOS is available , but the Wordpress site appears to be blank and the premamod.com site doesn't seem to yield anything having entered my email address.
Is there an updated BIOS I might be able to use on this system without too much trouble?
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
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Last edited: Jul 20, 2017
