Clevo Co. Market NEWS and Performance discussions

6% would be 6 out of 100, or 1 out of 16.67...but still.

Then you have to consider that this is only for Clevo, the only manufacturer that uses LGA in laptops, so the number that would represent LGA vs. BGA in the entire market is well under 1%.

 

We forgot the MSI High Performance Systems 16L-G-1080 15.6" Custom Built Gaming Laptop .

LGA Products needs more efforts to make the consumers know that it is exist, and will serve well many of them. If we make a survey asking peoples "Do you know what is LGA CPU? or DTR systems?" we can see the results that most of them doesn't know about it. With all my respect, the individuals efforts to convince the whole world is not enough.

 

Yes, this is in total for all Clevo's models, but like what Mr. Donald said, it will be smaller if you compare it to the total market share from all brands. And this is normal, because other brands doesn't have LGA in the first place.
I'll try to dig about, why all brands not building LGA and DTR's, there are some hidden reasons behind this for sure other than $$$.

 

There's no lotion or potion that will make sales faster and easier for you - unless your potion is hard work.
-Jeffrey Gitomer-

 

You have to take into account similar factors to the argument I made in the Ryzen CPU thread. Every ODM has support from Processor and GPU manufacturers, they need this to have access to new products early, to help with integration and for factors such as Optimus in the past and G-Sync for example there are specific processes to go through before a product can be certified as complaint with certain features. If the LGA laptop market potential was big enough, more companies would offer these products - so there is of course a large financial decision right in front of them. This has to be weighed up with additional factors such as the resources required to R&D and manufacture such systems, changing/new production lines, different purchasing systems for differing products etc etc etc.

 

Companies do like making money and Clevo in no way has a monopoly

As situations change so will the products to as best they can judge match that.

 

People need to realize that a LOT of average people are never going to accept a heavy LGA laptop to carry around with them for work or school or business. They are going to buy a light and thin BGAbook. Because it's not feasible to carry around a 15 pound laptop. So BGA is ALWAYS going to massively outsell LGA. Students with 20 pounds of books don't have room for another 15 pound desktop replacement.

But what companies need to do is let people know that LGA desktop replacement laptops DO exist that can clock just as high as non water cooled desktops, and are MUCH lighter and easier to manage, and can be very convenient for people who don't want a full desktop. Those are the sales that need to increase. Not the BGA light and thin "I need to travel light so I need something cheap, decent quality and which works" group.

But what the BGA companies need to do is to improve their cooling and QA so the BGA Processors run as ADVERTISED without overheating or throttling. Design the specs you want, then make the proper chassis and cooling solution to properly cool it. And do a proper paste and job while you're at it.

 

There are also LGA laptops with a weight of 2.5kgs like the w650 or the n950. They are not so heavy imho

 

Will never happen, bruh!! You forgot one of the main reason the BGA was born. To be able to design and produce more of the thin and flimsy. Because of this steps will the cooling as you know always have to follow the notebook design. To compansate for the unavoidable lack of proper cooling, prefer the ODM/OEM engineers instead to develope and put in own <special created> firmware/software to stop it from overheating/thermal shutdown. This is more like going backwards into the future, bruh

 

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Clevo (2362) - 2017
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Engineers have to put considerations about form factor into the design?

Thin does not equal flimsy though, the p950/np8950 series is built well and feels good.

Then most of the time optimus/45w will get the job done.

 

Haha its funny how the interconnection between the cpu and the mobo is affecting the flimsiness of a machine. P870dm has a flimsy lid on the bottom side, maybe the gpu should be socketed on-top of mxm, that way it would fix the chassis

 

Yeah I gave my relative a 7kg p870dm, she just browse the internet, but as Papusan suggested I would never gift a bga laptop, her back is aching now, house is full of power cords due to the battery life. but LGA RULES MAAAN! IDK WHY BUT EH
Who doesn't love shooting themselves in the foot?
Would love if clevo would come up with something like gigabye aero 15x v8, instant buy

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Proud lga fanboy, as if fanboysim is a good thing? eh

 

Not directly related to Clevo,
But I can't believe this $2.25 Billion revenue from XBOX sales, this for sure is effecting all laptops brands, including Clevo. This is only XBOX, what about SONY PS and other gaming consoles.

Xbox Live reaches 59 million active users per month in the FY18 Q3
April 27, 2018 Technology


Today, Microsoft has released its quarterly results ending March 31, 2018. The report shows revenue of $ 26.8 billion and net income of $ 7.4 billion in the last three months. Net profit is the profit after the costs of goods sold, expenses and taxes are deducted.

Apart from that, it looks like the company's gaming division has had some strong months. Gaming revenue increased 18 percent to $ 2.25 billion, mainly driven by revenue growth in software and services. The 24 percent increase in software and services is mainly attributable to third-party gaming sales.

A few years ago, Microsoft stopped reporting sales for Xbox One and instead measured success through engagement. In the last three months, Xbox Live monthly active users increased 1

3 percent to 59 million compared to the same quarter last year. This is surprising as the quarter before was the lucrative Christmas period, which usually means more console buying and using.

It's great to see that the Xbox is doing so well and hits 59 million monthly active users even after the holiday season. The continued success of games such as PlayerUnknowns Battlegrounds and Sea of Thieves should have helped. Hopefully, this means that Phil Spencer, the executive vice president of gaming, can invest more in first-class first-party experiences modeled after The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and God of War for the platform.

In its earnings release, Microsoft stressed that much of its quarterly spending was due to investment in games. Hopefully that means that the company is developing numerous first-party titles.

 

Flimsy is not a word I would use on the P870DM series.

 

Strong gaming notebook shipments boost Clevo June revenues
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20180710PD202.html
Robust gaming notebook sales boosted Clevo's June revenues by 83.2% on year and 25.59% on month to reach NT$2.02 billion (US$65.95 million), while combined consolidated revenues for the first half of 2018 also grew 18.78% on year to arrive at NT$8.61 billion.

Clevo shipped 1.27 million notebooks in 2017, flat from a year ago, and it expects the shipments to rise to 1.5 million units in 2018. Clevo shipped 360,000 units in the first quarter of 2018, up 13% on year with the increase mainly coming from Asia Pacific markets.

Because of rising raw material and component quotes, Clevo also faces shrinking profits from the notebook product line and is now pushing development of models with niche specifications and high margins, hoping to find a new source of income.

Clevo is currently a major manufacturing partner of many of China's top-10 gaming notebook brands. As demand for gaming notebooks is expected to pick up during China's National Day holidays in October, most of Clevo's brand partners are set to start building up their inventories in August.

Clevo's notebook shipments also grew over 30% on year in the first half of 2018.

 

hello guy!
I want to find a new clevo laptop model running cpu desktop only iGPU (mean without using dGPU - no dGPU) !
thanks!

 

NB50TZ

 

thanks.
how about skylake/kabylake model ?

 

N350DW
N650DU

 

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20181116PD207.html

what?
"He pointed that Clevo will enhance shipments of 16.1-inch narrow-bezel notebooks and new models featuring OLED panels and 240Hz panels in 2019."

 

This is really interesting, very strange that we didn't hear any of this information from our resellers.

 

OLED panels are amazing
may be 18.4" panel for 17" models for having slim bezel too?

 

If they're planning this then they should convince nvidia to release a TI or Titan level single gpu solution for laptops without the garbage maxq technology

 

Why not both depending on the design of the machine?

 

Eng. @Meaker@Sager do you have any detailed information about what's coming?

 

Yes of course the more options the better for the consumers. I'm simply pointing out that a screen with the mentioned specs would benefit partnering it with a High End GPU. I don't consider MaxQ 1080 a high end in the realm of desktop replacement laptops.

 

Once you do hit 144hz you are looking at very diminished returns.

 

Maybe the market is not that good these days, but as many news saying, we will see the new RTX GPU's for laptops in a few weeks and maybe Clevo will produce new flagships with new designs in a few months.
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/2362:TT

 

We are in a lull on the high end at the moment.

 

Laptops to grow 3.7 percent in PC market share by 2022 according to IDC Notebookcheck.net

 

Those two figures are unrelated...

 

I can only *dream* this meant LGA based laptops... Alas. Back to reality. And the BGA jokebook market continues... Just as long as they don't claim they're getting the power of a DTR type solution with tripod cooling all in a 3mm height, .5kg wrapper.

 

CES 2019 | Clevo readies various gaming laptop models with Nvidia RTX graphics
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Clevo...models-with-Nvidia-RTX-graphics.390371.0.html

 

I hope that we can see SLI models like the P870TMx to be continued with RTX GPU's.

 

Most interesting is the TGP table for the new GPUs seen here:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...-in-over-40-notebooks-this-year.391981.0.html

Some absolute witchcraft going on if it's true.

RTX 2080 Max-Q in 80W and 90W variants. If they come anywhere near the full fat RTX2080 that is absolutely mind-blowing given the desktop card TDP is 180-215W.
Even the non MQ RTX2080 is only listed at 150W which is below what we've seen before. Makes me wonder if they're making room for a mobile 2080 Ti?

Also explains why all of the seriously thin machines (Razer Blade, Aero 15, GS65, P96X, Zephyrus) are all listing a 2080 variant.

 

It's certainly going to matter which machine a chip is in.

 

Any NEWS for Clevo at CES 2019?
@ 2:25

 

Those are some ugly laptops :/

The PB5 reminds me of the Asus K53 :/

How can they keep making such generic looking laptops?

 

Aesthetics tend to be quite personal and a LOT of people look for machines that are not shouting gamer.

 

Indeed. I've found that a large majority of the gaming laptop and high end desktop are aged 25-35 and work for a living. Many need something that can straddle the line between a work machine and gaming machine as it's often impractical to have multiple devices.
RGB/Gamer aesthetics are almost always aimed at the younger audience.

 

More support of some old posts. Looks like word of this got through to another ODM.

There is a lot of excitement for Dellienware's new Area 51m causing large (dollar-wise) pre-orders, and @Ultra Male is leading the way - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ordered-an-alienware-area-51m-from-hidevolution.826914/

 

I don't see how that offers much to the professional market.

 

I still like the Clevo Performance/$.

 

You can get two similar machines for the price of one looking at it

 

Many Youtubers are talking about the new Alienware as the most powerful laptop on earth and it's the 1st of its kind???!!! Are they stupid?!

 

I think, the Clevo marketing teams in this kind of events are not up to the level. Even in our region I'm always find difficulties to make people understand what is Clevo DTR all about, no one knows about the brand. Why those Youtubers are ignoring the Clevo's DTR models when talking about the DTR industry?! I know that they are aware about it.

 

Because AW will have some big marketing budgets.

 

Oh, I don't know. Out of the shoot i9-9900K, up to 128GB RAM, discrete GPU. However, cooling will be another question. Also, Clevo has EOL'ed the P870* line too.

Based on all the excitement and posts, they're probably doing something right.