Clevo P1x0HM users with 7970M/680M - Ordered? Installed? OCed? Lets have it! :)

that one is supposed to come out end of october / beginning of november? at least according to eurocom....

and yup, p370em has no switchable graphics, thats why the 7970m vbios should actually be quite similar to our modded HM version.

 

CAREFUL!

The 149kb P370EMx video BIOS all incl. special EFI code and don't work properly on the HMs and even other EMs to the point of not going beyond the bootscreen = brick

 

Ahh, well that saved me from having a problem!

Thanks Prema.

 

prema to the rescue! as usual

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Where is the best place to buy a 7970M ?
Do I need the heatsink or the 6990M heatsink fits?
I think I will upgrade soon, just hoping for a HDMI fix in a near future

 

One of the 2 heatsinks is the same for sure (the one that goes over the gpu chip), I have one of my old 6990m heatsinks on my 7970m because the one that came with my 7970m had a giant gash right where the chip comes in contact with it. I'm not certain about the other heatsink but just check the serial numbers to be sure. I've had mine for months now and the 7970m runs about 15C - 20C cooler than the 6990m under load. Still no HDMI out although I haven't checked it since the latest drivers came out.

edit: Got mine straight from Sager and it comes with heatsinks by the way.

 

are you from europe or usa?

 

I will be buying from USA

 

Is Dell 680M compatible with HMs?

 

not that i know...

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you can buy it from mythlogic,he has good price for it!!!
i buy it from him too,nice guys

 

The Dell/clevo compatibility issues run across all cards as far as I know as it is a temp reporting issue to the EC rather than anything else.

 

They are here ... the useful pieces that i need in order to improve the cooling system of my laptop






The following tests were realised with an ambiant temperature of 24°c, driver: nvidia 306.23, monitoring and OC software: afterburner 2.2.5.
Software for the review: 3dm11 and Crysis2 ultra (same sequence played 2 times during 1 hour) card OC at 1005Mhz core/2400Mhz memory.

All tests were performed with a Zalman3000 notebookcooler, I thank Pau1ow to sold me a P150HM backplate already modded. I made some additional changes : with the traditional aluminum tape which done the junction between the fan and heatsink, I glued several layers of aluminum tape on the backplate (inside face) to achieve a thickness which comes into contact with the heatsink, it can enlarge the dissipation surface of the heatsink, then I paste 4 ram copper heatsink covering on the gpu and 3 on cpu. The tests are:
1 with the original backplate (unmodded)+ ram heatsink copper + notebookcooler
2 with the modded backplate+ ram heatsink copper + notebookcooler
(add 2-3 degrees more if you want to have the température reached without notebookcooler)
I will post later some pictures of the mod

3dm11 bench only GTX680M@1005/2400 original backplate

Result: 78°C

3dm11 bench only GTX680M@1005/2400 modded backplate

Result: 73°C A drop of 5°C not bad at all considering the frequencies of the card

3dm11 Demo + Bench GTX680M@1005/2400 original backplate

Result: 88°C

3dm11 Demo + Bench GTX680M@1005/2400 modded backplate

Result: 82°C a drop of 6°C

Crysis 2 adrenaline benchmark GTX680@1005/2400 original backplate

Result: 86°C we will see later that the benchmark doesn't generate enough heat (duration of benchmark about 15 minutes with a loading between each test during which there is a reduction of the gpu usage)

Crysis 2 adrenaline benchmark GTX680@1005/2400 modded backplate

Result: 81°C drop of 5°C

Crysis 2 Ultra 1 hour of play GTX680@1005/2400 original backplate

Result: Ouch, a peak at 90 degree, i admit that i observe only a max of 89°C during the play


Crysis 2 Ultra 1 hour of play GTX680@1005/2400 modded backplate

Result: a peak of 82°C so a 8 degrees drop

coming : pictures of the modded backplate
a 2min vidéo of crysis2 gameplay after 45 minutes the temperature reach only 79°C

Conclusion: The added copper ram heatsink not bring me any temperature drop with the original plate even with notebookcooler (though I noticed a slower rise in temperature), the biggest drop was made with the combo modded backplate + notebookcooler + copper ram heatsink because it helps bringing some fresh air directly on the components (drop between 5 and 8 ° C).

 

I remember having copper heat sinks touching the cover and I could not use it on my lap anymore as it made the cover too hot! I still need my machine mobile ^-^

 

Nice writeup Tonrac

++1 rep..

 

Thanks Tron

Here are the video (sorry for the quality, first time i made a capture, you can had 3 fps more due to the load of the capture)


Before central park


Central Park opening

@Meaker: my ram cooper are too thin to be in contact with the backplate, only aluminium tape is in contact. I don't play with my laptop on my lap, or with a notebookcooler. Without notebookcooler i can make browsing session or watching video with the laptop on my lap without problem, the backplate is a little warm but temperature is far enough the threshold to cause injury or be uncomfort.

 

That's a good idea. But be careful not to put too much force on the radiators by doing this. Since the heat sink is spring-loaded and radiators relatively unsupported, putting a little leverage force on the radiators may induce enough torque to cause uneven pressure over the GPU core and heatsink mating surface. Your thermal past may act as a good bond at the moment, but could eventually start to degrade as one of the heatsink corner starts to lift relative to the others. Something to keep an eye on...

 

Thank you for the warning, i admit not to have think about that, i will check the system and maybe correct it by removing some layers of aluminium if there is too pressure.

Pictures of the mod:


I made an airduct mod with some aluminium tape, you can also see the four ram heatsink on the Gpu heatsink


Other view


Same here with cpu and 3 ram heatsink


Other view


Inside of the modded backplate, you can see the thickness of aluminium tape that will be in contact with gpu/cpu heatsink


Close up in the cpu side


Close up in the Gpu side


modded Backplate installed

 

Oh that tape will act the same way, since that heat has to go somewhere, it's fine for someone who is just keeping it on a cooler or desk, but not if it needs to move a lot, which is true for a lot of notebooks.

 

@meaker :" but not if it needs to move a lot, which is true for a lot of notebooks. " I don't understand why my mod isn't compatible with this usage ... the backplate don't heat so much (at reasonable clock speed)... and i don't use it only in my desk or with the notebook cooler ... but you have to admit , that doing extreme Overclocking of a card and playing with it on your lap is not good for your fertility.

Btw you are right in one point, playing with such extreme clock frequencies without notebook cooler couldn't be comfortable, and i don't know the stability of the laptop in such circumstance. I will test later and report here the result.

EDIT 07/11: I made some test without notebook cooler : @1005/2400 after 35 min of play, the card reach a température of 93°C and it's not a peak, the temperature remain at this threshold, then the card began to throttle to try to prevent overheat and finally the laptop shudown for thermal security reason. So, the threshold of thermal security of the GTX680M (in my P150HM) is much lower than GTX580M that could reach 96°C without problem (in furmark) and run @92°C during hours.
I recommand not to go higher than 915/2250 without notebook cooler. @915/2250 i saw a peak of 90°C (just few seconds) and the temperature stabilize at 88°C/89°C after 1h of play, Then i put the fan manually in turbo mode (FN+1) and the temperature drop to a 83°C (again without notebook cooler). I will remake the test @1005/2400 with fan in turbo mode this evening. So playing without notebook cooler isn't recommanded with these extreme clock on P150HM or with turbo fan on (but i ask me what is the lifespan of the fan if this function is used too often).

 

@ Tonrac,

I recently OC'ed the 680M to the clocks you suggested above. i wanted to get a cooler and I wanted your opinion. Trying to decide between the CM Notepal U3 or the Zalman NC3000?

Also was thinking of upgrading to a 2860QM......am I right i assuming there will be at least some kind of noticeable difference in gaming?


Thanks in advance for your help. Any thoughts will be appreciated.


PS> If anyone else has any opinions, feel free to chime in.

 

Coolers don't help unless you start modifying the back panel with extra vent holes.

Just keep the back raised on a flat surface and make sure the pasting job is good.

 

what meaker said. raising the back of ur machine just 1-2 cm off the ground will make a world of difference in temps

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Thanks guys. Also, what abt the 2860 upgrade? should i go for it?

 

@ashwindany: cooler could help but the gain are only 2 or 3 degrees maximum without modding.
In my case the card was reliable at 1005/2400 without modding and the notebookcooler has cooled down the temperature to 89°C instead of 93°C (maybe more because without cooler the laptop made a security shutdown). Btw 89°C still a high temperature.
I don't suggest any Clock, because overclocking is not a science, your max clock will be relative to a lot of variable (vbios used, quality of your card, PSU ...). 1005/2400 is the max stable clock i obtain with my card on my P150HM with a OV vbios. Some user can go higher and other not.

If you decide to flash vbios on your P150HM, forget all vbios superior to 80.04.29.00.01 (80.04.33.00.10 and 80.04.67.00.01) because there are not compatible with the bios of the P150HM.

80.04.33.00.10 will block the boot on hdd/ssd (fortunately you can still boot on usb key to restore a backup.)
80.04.67.00.01 will block the boot on all the device (the only way to restore the backup is to put the card in a P150EM/P370EM with the latest BIOS)

I can't say if you will see a big difference between 2860qm and 2630qm in games, you can try to make the same bench as i do to compare (Crysis2 adrenaline, metro2033, just cause2 ...)

 

well.....it depends! im also thinking about upgrading to 2960xm, but first ill have to check for several different factors:

- performance of the upcoming haswell cpus --> if the 2960XM can keep up with at least on of the i7 quads, then its good enough for me
- compatibility of the nextgen gpus --> can i upgrade one more gpu gen in my HM laptop? if thats the case, ill stick to my trusty machine and go for the 2960XM
- played around a bit with crossflashing the P170HM Bios/EC onto my machine for XTU functionality and OC capability of the 2960XM. wasnt really happy with the fan profiles, since im used to a DEAD laptop at idle loads on my current BIOS/EC if i can get the fans to work the way i want to, then theres nothing keeping me from getting that 2960XM cpu and OCing the crap out of it. in that case ill probably also go for a modded 240W PSU, better safe than sorry

in the end it always also depends on how much of a performance freak u are if its just about bang for the buck, then u probably wont notice much of a perf. bump in games with the 2860qm. on the other hand, if u just so happen to stumble upon a nice deal on ebay, then just go for it!

cheers

 

Has there been any further attempts with upgrading the P170HM3 (3D 120Hz) with a 680m?

 

Maybe Prema could help you

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/680041-p170hm3-680m-success-fail-need-help-please-3.html

 

P170HMx/NP8170 « Prema Mod

 

It 's true that to overclock my 7970m (I have a Clevo p170hm) I have to change the VBIOS?
Where can I find them?
If the vga does not hold those frequencies can return to the original VBIOS?

 

as mentioned in my pm, i would recommend overclocking by software. ure much more flexible that way, can change clocks faster and no risk of bricking ur card by reflashing it lots of times

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The only issue is that hm bioses typically hadower voltages so dont overclock as high but will run cooler and can still overclock a bit.

 

Thank you so much! Bookmarked!

 

OK guys,

I read most of this topic and I couldn't find anyone experiencing same problem as me.

15 months ago I bought Sager P150HM with 6970m. 2 months ago my graphic card died or at least that's what Sager support told me - there is no graphic adapter in Windows device manager and when I run 3d applications screen goes black (reinstalling Windows didn't help). So I decided to buy 7970m since my 1 year laptop warranty expired.

I ordered one from Belgium which is supposedly for this laptop. When I replace my old card with 7970m and turn on laptop it shuts down in about 15-20 sec and it beeps 4 times before it shuts. In bios under VGA slot it says "empty". I have updated laptop bios to latest version (with 6970m inside), but same problem occurs. I cannot update VGA bios since I have only 15 sec to do it

So what do you guys think it is the problem? Wrong VGA bios or hardware incompatibility/problem? I have no other laptop with mxm slot, so I cannot check vga and will have to return it to Belgium (which takes 2-3 days).

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

 

Sounds like you bought possibly a dell version not a clevo 7970m.
I would return it.

 

Yeah that's a thermal shutdown, because values are interpreted wrong by the EC...are you on BIOS 14 and EC 13 now?

It's normal that it reports as Empty, but what vBIOS version does it show below that?
Just to make sure it's a Dell card...

 

yupyup, what prema and moral hazard said. its either a dell card which is incompatible with clevo machines or u did something terribly wrong while installing the card. forgot to apply thermal paste? heatsink not tightly screwed down? placed thermal pads in the wrong spots or missed a spot?

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From the sticker on the card it says VBIOS:015.018.000.000 and I guess this is the model: 6-77-P15EL-D11-1. I cannot read any additional info when I plug it in, since laptop doesn't recognize it, hope this is sufficient.

And regarding installation I was really careful with putting correct amount of thermal paste and reorganizing pads to fit the new card, so I doubt that was the problem.

 

unless dell cards use a vbios version with the exact same string number, that vbios version should actually point to a clevo card (just googled the string and only found clevo machines with that card installed, so if theres any dell user out there with the same vbios correct me pls).
could u contact the seller of the card and ask them specifically for that info? otherwise it might just be that the card is faulty?

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Anyone managed to get HDMI out working for the 7970M yet? Sager's support seems to be unwilling to forward the issue to any relevant party.

Would DVI-HDMI adapters be able to send audio signals out? I know it does for desktop cards.

 

anything from HDMI port is simply blocked by the driver weird. DVI port perfectly works though.

take care

 

Likely a hdcp issue.

 

I thought I read that Ivey should theoretically run cooler. But Intel changed something in the manufacturing process. Something to do with thermals? Hope they fix it with Haswell, but read the latest rumor is Haswell is delayed until June 2012.

 

It's just that the same heat is produced over a smaller area meaning it's harder to move the heat away, it's a physics problem at its heart.

 

somebody give wei from 670m and 7970m

 

Its an arbitary score especially as I know nvidia cards under optimus get very low scores.

 

That information (taken from an Internal Intel documentation that was given to Notebook OEMs) has nothing to do with heat.

Unlike the desktop the mobile platform's (Cougar Point Chipset) VR can't deliver the required voltage states required for IB compatibility.
So it's not like the OEMs wanted to sell us new systems and didn't offer a BIOS/EM update, it was Intel who told them that it doesn't work...

 

Funny how these issues tend to crop up out of no where from intel since at least the p4/core days

 

Modded .inf pour nvidia 310.90 Whql

https://hotfile.com/dl/191164949/1868af2/nvcv.inf.html

Modded .inf pour nvidia 313.95 bêta

https://hotfile.com/dl/191165068/829854c/nvcv.inf.html

Hope that Prema will find a way to make the GTX680M recognize by the P150HM's bios like he did with his P170HM.

 

porting that to a P150HM shouldnt be a big deal at all plus we still have the option to just directly flash the modified P170HM to our machines