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    Clevo P1x0HM users with 7970M/680M - Ordered? Installed? OCed? Lets have it! :)

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by jaybee83, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. Religion

    Religion Notebook Consultant

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    Won't be cheaper by any stretch but it gets me new features and allows me to retire my desktop as well. I imagine I will have two 780s and a matte screen, I wouldn't mind dropping down to two 770s but no one offers that.
     
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    You do get that nice new cooling system and the faster CPU which will partner nicely with the 780M cards.
     
  3. steberg

    steberg Notebook Evangelist

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    Hey jaybee, are you keeping your HM? I'll buy the new 150SM with 780M, just to skip the hassle of upgrading. How's your PhD going? I just quit my master studies in biomedicine, no time to study while the kids keep running around at home, maybe I pick up in a few years.
     
  4. jaybee83

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    hey buddy,

    yup im planning to keep my trusty ol´HM for at least another year. not that the fact that im ABSOLUTELY broke atm has anything to do with it, of course :p ill need every penny i can get my hands onto for the upcoming vacation in greece with my gf, gonna meet the family there :D I´m sure ull be as happy with the new machine as u were with ur current one so far :) new gen looking good from my perspective.

    PhD is going well so far, finally got to start with my actual research topic after spending the first two months just organizing and supervising student courses :p ha, didnt know we were in a similar field! :) sorry to hear uve got to cut things short for the time being, but its very understandable with the lil rugrats turning ur home upside down :D hope ull be able to pick up where u left off again sometime in the future :)
     
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    You always have a spare kidney ;)

    Hope it goes well. My wife is doing a chemistry phd so I have an idea ;)
     
  6. steberg

    steberg Notebook Evangelist

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    I will for sure take up my studies later, but for now having a paycheck every month after being a poor student for 5,5 years is so nice. Can buy a new laptop from time to time. But now there's a wife as well to convince hmm... :p
     
  7. Hedgeson

    Hedgeson Notebook Guru

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    I just got my P150HM back from MALIBAL, with a new 7970m installed. I decided to upgrade when I sent it in for a (2nd) blown 6990m. (rant: It just took 2 extra weeks since the Malibal rep seems to have made a mistake in their service center postal code.)

    However, I can't seem to make the DVI-D port work with AMD drivers. Is there a specific version that works? Do I need to modify the drivers?
    The DVI-D port works in mirror mode in POST and with standard Microsoft VGA drivers.
    There's no OC menu in CCC anymore, either.

    I don't have a DVI-VGA adapter right now, does the analog part of the DVI port work with AMD drivers? That would be my back-up plan.
    I'm kinda anxious. I'd really hate not being able to game on my 28" monitor and wasting money on a GPU that's more gimped than I expected
    EDIT: I know DVI-DL (dual-link) doesn't work. My monitor has a 1920x1200 resolution and works in single link.

    Tried cleaning with Drivercleaner.net
    Tried mobility 12.10, 13-4 ans 13-6beta drivers. no go.
    If only I had a stupid DVI-vga adapter to check that. 6 adapters at home, none with me.
     
  8. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    hm weird, dvi should actually work just fine... but cant help u directly there, since im not using any external monitors. anyone else here with an hm, 7970m and using external displays?

    concerning the oc menu in ccc, ull need to activate it by using the -xcl trick via afterburner. for details check the 7970m thread in my signature, first post, last update iirc.



    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  9. Hedgeson

    Hedgeson Notebook Guru

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    The gpuz firmware dump is different than the one you posted in your tutorial. The version number is lower and it doesn't say Clevo 270 in the description. Could that be it?
    They also seem to have way different pids.

    Btw, woah this card can kick Metro:LL . Almost double the framerate I had with the 6990m.
     
  10. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    that could be it :) try reflashing my vbios version and keep the one u have right now as a backup. see if that solves the issue. and yeah no surprise there, the 7970m is a beast compared to its predecessor :p

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  11. Hedgeson

    Hedgeson Notebook Guru

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    It worked! Well, 99% of it. Windows Aero is not working. Aero is working now.

    I proceeded as such:
    1. Uninstalled drivers
    2. Restarted
    3. Cleaned drivers with drivercleaner.net
    4. Restarted
    5. Flashed Bios
    6. Restarted
    7. Failed to boot to windows. :( Seems to have frozen on a gray screen with both monitors on. Somewhat encouraging that the DVI monitor is on at this point.
    8. Restarted, boot option Low Resolution Graphics.
    9. It booted. The previous boot fail could be a resolution problem. I think Windows may be half remembering my settings from 1 month ago, and trying to set a 1200p resolution on the internal LCD. Now I can select my DVI monitor and change the resolution to 1920x1200. No Windows Aero. However, it won't let me extend the desktop: Only 1 monitor on at a time.
    Playing around in CCC, I can set both monitors as an eyefinity group, and then I have my desktop on both... Weird. :confused:
    10. Restarted again.
    11. It restarted with my DVI monitor as primary and the laptop monitor as extended secondary, which supports my theory about the previous boot fail. Windows Aero won't turn on, but 3D seems stable. I tried the following:
    a. Metro:Last Light, playedfor 30 minutes with higher quality at 1920x1200, 50fps​
    b. Borderlands 2, highest quality at 60+ fps for 10​
    c. Unigine Heaven Benchmark at different qualities, under DX11 mode. Tesselation looks nice​

    12. In trying to make Aero work, I ran dxdiag. It said there's no direct3D / directDraw etc. support.
    13. After running dxdiag, 3D applications don't run anymore, saying there's no hardware support.
    14. Restarted the PC, and now Aero works, and 3D applications work. :confused: :D It seems my VGA card is finally installed correctly.

    I'll still reinstall Windows, but I'll wait until this weekend. I can keep you posted on how well the card works with a fresh install, if you want.

    Also, the MALIBAL rep is pretty patient, I'm up to 49 E-Mails in my conversation with him, about 2/3 of them from me.
     
  12. jaybee83

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    ok, you guys are allowed to laugh at me now,but i guess better late than never :p

    so i went back to that xml method for clocks and voltages, played around with the settings and actually got to lower my idle voltage to .75v / .8v (former is shown by kombustor while the latter is reported by hwinfo) compared to the stock .825v
    also managed to lower the idle clocks from 300/150 core/mem to 150/75 stable :)

    been thinking about tinkering with overvolting as well but not sure if im comfortable with going above 1.075v....well see!

    cheers

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  13. Wallzii

    Wallzii Notebook Consultant

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    I have also been thinking of pushing it beyond that voltage, but haven't had the balls to do it yet. My core doesn't like to overclock much, unlike my memory which I was pushing into almost 1700MHz territory before. I don't push memory beyond 1500MHz anymore though, seems to be the sweet spot for balls-to-the-walls OCing on my card. The core however can only get to 1020MHz at 1.075V, which I always thought was low compared to what else I've seen out there.

    Just curious, why the idle undervolt?
     
  14. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    for powersavings and noise reduction :) takes longer for the gpu fan to kick in now.

    wow, u seem to have some golden memory sample there, nice ;)

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  15. jaybee83

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    small update: unfortunately, i couldnt get the modified idle clocks to stick upon reboot, one would have to apply the profile of choice in ccc every time the machine is restarted.

    that being too much of a hassle to me, ive looked into svl7's vbios patcher on techinferno, which does not recognize my vbios properly after being dumped with either gpu-z or ati winflash. reading through the respective thread there, it seems that there have been p150hm users having successfully flashed the dell 7970m vbios onto their clevo cards. since those dell vbios versions ARE compatible with the vbios patcher, ill try and check if i can just hardcode the idle clocks and voltages i want into the dell vbios and then flash it onto my card ;)

    ill keep u guys updated on how it goes...

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  16. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    That is interesting, I know the dell cards would work in non enduro systems (I had one in my 16F2).
     
  17. F1r3

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    Stop.. so is it possible that i flash my acutal 7970m with a vBIOS from a Dell Card and put it into a Alienware notebook? For example a R3 or R4 and it will work? OK, i need other heatsinks maybe, but will it work?
     
  18. jaybee83

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    that is pretty much a non-issue, since clevo cards generally work with stock vbios in alienware machines, just not the other way round :p

    ok, so my 7970M does work with the dell vbios supplied by svl7, but even tho i managed to modify it myself with his vbios patcher, i still couldnt get those idle clocks and voltages to stick on reboot *sigh* seems like anything below 825mV and 300/150 core/mem has to be manually set in CCC overdrive each time one reboots the machine, unnerving! :p
     
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    found at least a temporary solution in that i let ccc autostart with windows,thinking about using a batch file in order to make it close automatically as well :p in any way, its fun tinkering around with my machine again :D

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  20. F1r3

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    Ok, Then i will buy a R4 Alienware asap and put my 7970 in it... The 780m Works without any Mod in the R4, so i will Upgrade from 7970 to 780 in december :)
     
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    So I does anyone own the one with the 780m card?

    I wonder if its got good drivers yet.
     
  22. jaybee83

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    sounds like a plan, although i must say the R5 actually looks pretty awesome this year... so unusual for me to dig alienware looks! :D

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  23. Meaker@Sager

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    Lol, it's been controversial for most companies this generation it seems about their looks, which is better than it being about the cooling at least ^-^.
     
  24. Hedgeson

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    Sigh. My 7970m has now started crashing with a gray screen and vertical white lines when gaming in 3D. Similar symptoms to when both 6990m previously died. It happened in a game where the GPU had a 50% load, and in another game with closer to 100% load. It takes something like 20 minutes, and I'm pretty sure the temperature is under 80C.
    I have the vBios provided by jaybee.

    I haven't reinstalled Windows yet. I'll probably try that later this week.

    The 7970m now freezes on the desktop and if I try to reinstall the drivers. It looks like a hardware/firmware problem. I'll reinstall Windows tomorrow, but my hopes are low.
     
  25. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    oh boy, that doesnt sound too good :( hope this aint the start of another failure wave among 7970m gpus as opposed to 6990m cards before...

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  26. F1r3

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    My Second 7970m had shown 100% same signs after i received her.. i did an RMA and got a new one.. card is broken/has died, you should contact your reseller for a RMA.
     
  27. Hedgeson

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    Thanks for the information. It's mostly what I expected, but I wasn't sure. When my 2 previous 6990ms died, they showed artifacts in the BIOS, while this one doesn't.Searching around the web returns a couple people complaining about DoA cards, but it doesn't seem quite widespread. I don't think this is an epidemic of 7970M cards dying, but there are a couple lemons around. I got this card 7 days ago today. As I posted earlier, it had a VBIOS that didn't support the DVI-D connection with the AMD drivers, but switching to the driver posted by Jaybee in his tutorial thread corrected that problem after a couple reboots.

    BTW, what did your first 7970m die of?

    This is frustrating. I'll be home all next week after getting back from a surgery, and I had expected to have my laptop running by then. And seeing the 7970m run Battlefield 3, 3 times faster than the 6990m, just to have it crash and burn... Although, better that this happens 5 days after getting the card than in 2 months after my laptop warranty is over ( That warranty paid for itself 20 times over, now.)

    My family is hard on GPUs. My brother cooked 2 8800GTs and 2 9800GTs in his Antec Nine Hundred PC case, and now I've lost 3 AMD gpus in my Clevo.
     
  28. jaybee83

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    damn, thats quite a throughput u got there, gpus definitely dont have it easy in ur household! :D all the best to getting a new gpu asap, and, of course, getting back on ur feet after that surgery! :)
     
  29. TR2N

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    Ok guys,

    Just installed the 680m in the clevo p170HM. Very staright forward a breeze to do and running on 306.02 nvidia drivers.

    Here is a piccie for all :)
    [​IMG]

    Results speak for themselves all at default clocks :)
    Had about 3615 points with the 6990m in it before. Interestingly, the idle temps on 6990m were 47-52C whereas the 680m runs much cooler and at around 27C idle and now cpu also runs cooler at idle around 30C before 44C.
    Thnx you to 5482741 who sold me the card...++rep to him :)

    Now onto the Alienware with the 7970m card to swap..wish me luck on that one :)
     
  30. F1r3

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    Hey,

    the first card is still running, but has burn marks at the RAM Controller PCB.. The second card with the grey/white/crashing problem was my first RMA card.. after that, i RMA it a second time. now i have a new 7970m EM Model und my first card with the modded vBIOS for the p170hm ;D

    @tron2^: Please send me a PM or write done in this thread, if the p170hm 7970m card is working without any problems in the m17x R2 .. i'm still searching for a R3 or R4 and want to transfer my 7970m to it ;)

    Greetings
    F1r3
     
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    Working.. :)
     
  32. F1r3

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    Sounds Good... Now i Need an R3 or R4 for a good Price with the lowest GPU it was Sold ;-)
     
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    LOL, I considered that as well actually for myself.
     
  34. F1r3

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    LOL ;) Fools seldom differ.
     
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    Very true but I think I would go the whole hog and do the 375sm in that case.
     
  36. Hedgeson

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    I finally have my P150HM back from MALIBAL! It was mostly the shipping that took time since it traveled through a Canada day, followed by Independence Day. MALIBAL worked on it for about 4-5 days, with about 3 days of GPU testing. Except for the Thanksgiving delay last time, they've been quite fast and patient in answering my anxious questions.

    I reinstalled Windows after a little heartburn when the Windows DVD BSOD'ed, I think caused by the USB DVD drive, which had trouble getting detected as a boot device. Had to plug it in the correct port. USB3 ports don't work, and the drive doesn't like staying awake on the "Always ON" USB port.
    Installed 140 windows updates, rebooted, followed by AMD CCC 13.4.
    But upon reboot, Windows hanged after the logo, on a black screen before the login. I "think" it's caused by having a DVI screen plugged in when installing the driver, screwing up the resolution or something. Or maybe it's CCC not being able to run, see below.
    Rebooted, chose "low resolution" mode with F8, it booted correctly, and I managed to change laptop LCD res to 1080p. Couldn't extend desktop, I could choose it in display options but it has no effect.
    Rebooted, and my DVI LCD is set as an extended monitor. Tried running CCC, says "Nope, you need .NET Framework 4, Foo' "
    So I install the framework, reboot to make sure, and everything works fine. I can turn on Windows Aero, and I tested the GPU with Unigine Heaven and Minecraft, but it works.

    Now here's the interesting part:
    I installed a couple drivers, and when I installed the THX software: suddenly THX and CCC are saying I have AMD High Definition Audio Devices plugged in...
    So I say hey, that's weird, what if HDMI works... so I switch the DVI-HDMI cable for an HDMI cable, and lo and behold, my HDMI port works, including sound, which I think had never worked before.

    I have no idea what MALIBAL did, but awesome job. A BIOS dump with GPUz shows the same BIOS as one of those I tried with the previous card that broke, but different from the one jaybee posted in his tutorial.

    I just hope this card lasts more than 5 days, so that the 4 weeks dual RMA wasn't a waste of time. Although having HDMI may have been worth the wait. I'm happy to stop using my Dell Inspiron 6000 (That thing has 64MB of video RAM, which is 1/32th of the 7970M)
    And maybe this time I won't try running Metro: Last Light. My second 6990M died after I finished that game, and the first 7970M died after I played 30 minutes to bench it. I wonder if I was playing Metro 2033 before my first 6990M died...

    And now I'll go sleep a little, it's 6AM and I've been working on this for 7 hours. And before that I was on the road for a 3 hour loop to pick up the laptop. G'nite.
     
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    There might be unlisted motherboard revisions causing this.
     
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    ^ that makes it 2 who has their HDMI working on their 7970 in HM.
     
  39. IggySR

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    Hi there my newly found friends,

    I've been reading your forums for quite a while, never posted before though. I was wondering if you could answer me a couple of questions:

    - Here we go; So I have a P150HM Clevo laptop, with an Nvidia GTX 560M. I've called the store where I got it from to ask for an improvement of such a graphic card. Their response? - We could only add a GTX 580M due to technology on the Clevo, and also we don't make those anymore (nor import them), so it will cost me 700€ aprox to get that card. I freaked out of course, cause I don't want to pay 700€ for a card lower than, for example, the GTX 680m.

    My questions are: Are they still selling these GTX 680M anywhere around the globe? ( Online store). I live en Europe.

    I've read through out almost the entire post, but haven't really read about the P150Hm Clevo model. And wanted to make sure (Also a direct response to my problem gives me a bit more confident).

    I'm not the best when it comes to laptops. I Know how to set up a Desktop, remove it's hardwares easily, haven't tried it on a laptop yet, but it shouldn't be too hard. So if, in the case adding a 680M it's possible, is there any manual step by step of the proccess?.

    Thanks in advance. Great Great forum, also forgive my english if it isn't that good, I'm from Spain.

    Cheers and gnight!


    Edit: I found this through the post:

    Nvidia GTX 680m Upgrade kit


    http://www.malibal.com/boutique/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=572&idcategory=34

    It sais: Compatible with Lotus P150HM. Is it viable with Clevo P150HM?

    - I've also found this (Store from Spain :)
    http://www.mountain.es/epages/Mount...ops/Store.Mountain/Products/AGTX670MX_GTX680M

    Much lower price, but is it the same model?.
     
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    It should be, they are all the same hardware.
     
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    Ty for the response. I've been reading some people saying this stopped their fan coolers and broke their laptops dead.

    Has anyone around here had any similar problems? Or on the contrary, some of you successful ones; for how long have you been using your P1x0HM with an GTX 680M, and do you use it in a daily basis?.

    Just making sure ;), lot's of money in this!


    edit: After lot's of reading, and lots of information gathered; I've planned to go ahead and get my self an Gtx 680m. I'll keep coming back to this forum and probably ask you a few questions before I install it, while I install it, and afterwards ;).

    Mostly about vbios/bios...and so on (since I have no clue what that is). See you folks around. Gnight!

    P.S: Is the GTX 560M heatsink also usable for the 680M?
     
  42. TR2N

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    Hi iggysr and welcome to nbr.
    Yes the 680m is a beautiful card and runs lovely with HM clevo notebooks(see sig)
    Just get the clevo version it comes with 4GB of vram. As for removing old and installing it couldnt be easier than on a clevo. Just take your time and follow guides and always ask here if any issues.

    We await your benchmarks :)
    The 560m heatsink should be compatible no problem. Just make sure 680m comes with x backplate. Its just a matter of removing old by unscrewing it, cleaning heatsink, repasting(use icd7 and nothing else) inserting and then screwing it in that order.

    Check visually heatsink is flush and spring loaded screws all good as final check before inserting. Also use good thermal pads to cover essential areas like vram,etc use upgrademonkeys ebay pics to help you locate areas thermal pads should be placed and voila enjoy the beast.
     
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    You will have to blind flash it most likely.
     
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    So I just need to follow the directions for flashing the card for 150HM found in the forums and it'll be good right? thanks
     
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    My 680m doesn't go beyond 72% usage. I'm literally stuck. I set to performance mode, also tried forcing to performance mode from the nividia control center. Tried using game setting instead of control center. It simply doesn't go beyond 72%usage even when the game is going 25fps in Starcraft2. Also tried using nividia experience to setup the game for me. Nothing works.. >.> whenever i play game it seems lots of load are forced to be done in the CPU. CPU temperature is hitting 90s sometimes.
     
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    Yep, sounds like the CPU is holding it back. Though test in something else than starcraft which is very CPU hungry and poorly coded.
     
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    all i have is bf3 atm. the 680m ran on full load maintaining 60fps on auto setting. As for starcraft 2 hots, despite whatever graphic quality i choose, the fps are poor.
     
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    Thanks for the info and the welcoming.

    I've finally ordered it from eurocom. Can't wait for it to arrive!.

    Thanks for the info about the pics at e-bay, I've also found a manual by some of notebookreview of this exact same post. (can't remember the exact page).

    I'll surely update you guys with some benchmarks. Some pictures as well , in case any other newbie like me needs them.

    See you around.
     
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    Okay guys. The beauty it's already working :thumbsup:

    Thanks everyone for the help. I've installed it with drivers : 304.79

    I've tried with several others, none of them work (but also I was struggling though the post, so many posts it is hard to find the modified drivers anywhere). If anyone has any info, or suggestion on more recent drivers (that are working). I'll be glad to try them out.

    I will check for benchmarks in a bit now. Also I have no clue about OC, but I'll do my research (and probably do a very little OC).

    Cheers and have a nice day.
     
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