Clevos with new 6-core Intel Mobile Cpus

Did any ODM announce a 13/14" model?
(Clevo has nothing new there)
Sorry for being lazy here...

 

No this was from other vendor (Hyperbook) (same barebone with this mechanical KB). Are you saying that this barebone comes with different finish and KB among resellers?

 

I'm saying that our version is different to what's currently on the market. In the same way that Clevo P65* and other chassis come with brushed and also sandblasted finish, we always take the Clevo option with sandblasted finish - it costs a little bit more but in our opinion it looks better and wears better! But I don't know the exact process - it will depend on minimum order quantity, if the ODM offers it at the start or only after launch etc. Thus I can't say if other companies had the same options when they purchased, I can only say that we chose different options.

 

At that point the difference between 20 mind and 40 mins is not much time in real world usage

 

XMG P407 (Clevo P641) 45Hw battery with 7700HQ and 1050Ti = 7h 23 min idle, 4h WiFi surfing, 1h 23m max load (these figures are from independant notebookcheck review

 

Does it have a mux switch?

 

Optimus

Enviado de meu Pixel 2 usando Tapatalk

 

Reading between the lines here, it seems that my hopes may be validated for a new model similar to p650. Here's all I need from it:

All exhaust in rear, ditch fingerprint reader but keep same mouse buttons, slim bezels, 8th gen i7 and new Nvidia 1170/2070. $2,000 ready to spend!

 

The sager 7851 the same chassis as the 7850?

 

Exhaust in just the rear would reduce the cooling in the system.

 

How? All they have to do is turn the fan. The CPU fan currently exhausts out the side, just swap I/O position to left side and turn the fan to the rear.

 

You don't have as much room into the system before the CPU would be pushed towards the edge of the pcb so the fins would not be as long.

 

For P6 there would be good option to keep this big side CPU want and add second one (small on the back) + third heatpipe reversed only for CPU.

 

Basically what the p9 series has done

 

I saw but for some strange reason Pa70 is not using it...

 

Sad about the P650. I really need a new laptop and hoped the P650 would have upgraded with i7-8750H by summer but I guess I'll have to make do with 7700HQ since I cannot wait any longer

 

If its just for gaming the 7700hq will do very well.

 

You can expect to be heavily cpu limited with at least a 1070.

Any game which has a high volume of draw calls for shadows (eg Fallout 4), or is cpu heavy for whatever reason (BF1, PUBG).

In my experience titles like Witcher 3 with a low cpu load are less common, yet all reviews at notebookcheck etc claim this furphy of '70 deg C' in gaming and publish benchmarks which don't represent the high load parts of the game.

Wish they didn't do this as I wouldn't have bought it.

Those major and years old titles above will load your cpu up to the point where it throttles.

You can undervolt and if you are keen use a metal amalgam for paste (sold under some ridiculous and embarrassing trade name), but at the end of the day it is a low frequency pared down cpu, which also has implications for the surprising amount of titles which are poorly threaded.

It's absurd really, that this continues to be passed around.

Also, the 1070 is like 150 tdp and can be cooled adequately, the prev gen market is so limited that it is either 45w cpu or a desktop processor ala clevo.

 

CPU limitation will be down to resolution and graphics settings. As time goes on the GPU will be the limiting factor even more.

 

You just say bland things and aren't responding to anything in particular.

The facts are a 7700hq won't even give you a solid 60fps at 1080p in BF1, and is so profoundly cpu limited there is minimal change with resolution/settings.

It is an undergunned cpu for the high end gpus it is commonly sold with

blah blah blah, who cares they are just games

 

If that's how your laptop runs then there's something wrong with it. BF1 will run no problem whatsoever at more than 60 FPS 1080P with a 7700HQ and GTX 1070 BGA, I have a 970M and 6700HQ in one of my work laptops and even that has no problems maintaining a > V-Sync FPS.

 

Really? Watch this...

 

play on argonne and that fps will tank to sub 40s

 

Here's a video showing a desktop running the game on an i5 6500 (weaker than a 7700HQ) and a gtx 970 at 1080p with ultra settings. It stays above 60fps in most cases.

 

None of you guys except Mobius have a clue waht you're talking about, especially the rep who magically decides the cpu is busted (they unsurprisingly want to sell these units), despite sitting well above base clock with an undervolt and running at high usage.

That map in the video is a light one, runs fine. Even Argonne isn't too bad, but it does drop well below 60fps in certain choke points.

Amiens is a total **** show, no where near 60fps in the centre. That big desert map drops well below 60fps in the town.

You can drop the graphics down to low and the fps remains virtually constant. It is profound a case of cpu limitation you will ever see in a game at reasonable resolution.

So consumers should be aware that they are buying a laptop which will play above 60fps 1080p most of the time, but is going to tank when you need it most in many recent titles that scale well with cpu.

Vermintide 2 is no good, then there are the poorly coded games (with great gameplay) that need cpu grunt to get to a halfway reasonable fps (Rising Storm 2 (awesome game but an absolute mess), Arma 3, Squad etc).

Less demanding or better coded (tho you can't say BF1 is poorly coded) titles are fine, eg. Fornite (rubbish) or stuff like Doom probably.

It is also obvious to any reasonable observer that cpu limitation won't get better with new titles, unless the graphics advance so much that a 1070 is well and truly undergunned and limits the cpu, in which case the entire system is outdated and that is that for the soldered laptop.

The real issue with all these laptops is the recalcitrant thermal throttling at high usage. Threaded games work the cpu nearly as hard as Prime95, and single core pigs like RS2 aren't far off.

You could spend another grand on whatever cpu, but it shows some contempt for the buyers when a multi-thousand dollar 'gaming laptops' have cooling solutions which aren't very useful.

These laptops are all ugly bricks and semi-portable at best, surely there is a market for bigger and uglier laptops that actually maintain stock speed under load.

 

@Prema the MSI GS65 is a 15.6" in a 14" chassis if that counts.

 

Now where are you seeing the CPU not perform to stock Intel speeds?

 

Is this the same? not clevo?

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=544328181376

 

THX, will check it out...
The only 8th gen 13/14" I could find was the new Gigabyte Aero 14, but they downgraded the 1060 to a 1050TI in the re-fresh...a better CPU for a worse GPU, so meh.

 

is the N850EP6 too good to be true at that price point?

 

There's no statement to respond to here, let alone addressing that your claims re. the cpu simply do not hold water.

Mate, it's transparent what you do, asking questions not out of legitimate interest but to create a vacuum.

If you're not familiar with widely known throttling issues in all these laptops that you are an incompetent rep.

But of course you are and are just being supercilious.

Profoundly unsatisfying to read or engage with.

 

Here's a i5 8400 with a gtx 1070 running amiens at 90-110fps:


The i5 8400 scores 869 in Cinebench R15, meaning that it is about 17% faster than a i7 7700HQ which scores 740cb in Cinebench. The i7 7700HQ should therefore be able to maintain over 60fps in this map. An i7 8750H will eat this game alive, it gets about 1100cb in Cinebench.

A lot of laptops don't thermal throttle when subjected to prime95, but they do get as hot as hell (in the 90s if you're unlucky). This can be remedied by an undervolt and a repaste.

 

Yes this is TongFang barebone

 

This seems needlessly hostile.

 

Not all reviewers out there is able to do it right.

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_7700hq-690-vs-intel_core_i5_8400-766

 

Unfortunately it is a not a serious or well intentioned response, and he clearly has no intention of listening to the experience of others.

The common thread for all these gents is they don't actually use the machine in this manner, yet they will deny all claims counter to their views on the basis of anecdotes.

I expect this would have been some ridiculous argument that throttling off the turbo clock is not throttling, despite it being labelled as such by Intel and by common sense, and despite throttling being common behaviour in any cpu intensive title of which there are many.

It's not worth engaging with as it is difficult to not be scornful of responses that do not engage in basic consideration of peoples experience or seek to divert attention from views that are not the result of experience, and the scorn is a waste of energy.

I will demonstrate why below, and it is not a satisfying or enjoyable experience.

This guy neither owns a 7700hq nor has used it to play BF1, yet he wants to argue on the basis of a youtube video and Cinebench that it is constantly above 60fps.

How is that a serious or well-intentioned response?

Unfortunately, it is a load of rubbish.

1. In that video he is fighting in the back alleys, where the fps is fine. I think I get about 80-90 fps there.

2. He passes through the choke point once, but there is minimal combat there.

A common experience on that map is an extended slog fest at that mark with most of the server population involved.

3. Cinebench is a ~2 minute test. It is so short the cpu cannot reach temp and throttle.

4. I am not aware of a single review on notebook check where they do not demonstrate substantial throttling of Clevo notebooks on Prime95. For a 7700hq they routinely detail throttling approaching the base clock.

Despite this being critical to the function of the laptop, they don't investigate it thoroughly. They simply run Witcher 3 and say ok, games never throttle (!!). This advice is simply repeated here.

5. The desktop i5 8400 has suitable cooling and will sit on the turbo clock of of 3.8 ghz.

6. The 7700hq will approach or reach the base clock of 2.8ghz without an undervolt. Mine with an undervolt settles around 3.0 - 3.1 ghz in games like BF1, so adjust your cinebench appropriately.

8. This gentleman proposes that the '7700HQ should therefore be able to maintain over 60fps in this map.

I am actually using one, and I can tell you it most certainly does not.

Apparently we should discard an empirical result on the basis of someones speculation, despite two people in this thread who actually use the damn machine saying the fps tanks in certain areas or heavy firefights.

Or we say something is wrong with the cpu! Despite it having the same Cinebench score, thermal throttling behaviour etc etc.

Mate, with as much respect as I can muster, I am using it and this is how it behaves.

If you want to deny that, knock yourself out. Go out and start a site where you review laptops based on the cinebench scores and youtube videos of different models, see what sort of response you get.

Anyway I am tired and over it.

To old mate thinking about purchasing, I suggest you buy the best cpu that is reasonable for your budget - if you want to maintain 60fps at all times, and it is hard to think why you wouldn't.

If you are buying it for games, a 1070 will continue to scale well up to an 8700k for many popular titles.

This is the only way to 'future proof' a soldered in chip. If you are being told a 7700hq is not a significant bottleneck, that is simply incorrect advice from people who probably should know better.

 

Does someone have the mysterious TongFong notebook or have found a review somwhere?

 

is it good?

 

You are overestimating the importance of CPU speed in FPS in most titles. Sure if you have a specific title in mind then we do the desktop CPU based series for a reason and you can picknup the above 4Ghz goodness.

Throttling is not something I am familiar with on our machines, they will behave as per Intel spec and limit themselves to their rated TDP. This is normal spec from Intel and is the whole point of turbo (so your GTA V gaming session is not limited by the max speed in prime 95 avx).

Asking for evidence of claims actually allows me to address points rather than deal with some vague accusation.

If you want a conversation with users of all kinds I suggest adjusting to a less aggressive response and you may actually get the answers you seek.

 

See my signature. Here's a screenshot of my Clevo P950HP6 running the AIDA64 stress test for an hour.

Bear in mind that I lost the silicon lottery - my i7 7700HQ (undervolted) runs at 3.4GHz at 980 mV compared the majority of other i7 7700HQ's which tend to run at 900 mV - 930 mV. There is absolutely no throttling and this is with a tripod heat sink and the reseller's stock TIM (EK-TIM Ectotherm Thermal Compound, performs like Artic MX-2).

 

Looks good but i need final one for review.

 

Yes and yes

 

@Chris S
Huh back then csgo with a 1070 at 4.5ghz skylake averaged around 350 fps, and you said that there is no bottleneck, now with the kabylake at 5ghz its averages around 430 fps, so the cpu is always in bottleneck, also afaik 300 fps is enough for near 0 input lag on the entire chain

 

The P407 isn't exactly a fair comparison. Unless I'm getting the price wrong, these notebooks aren't exactly cheap and for that price point I'll probably be better served if I pay a bit more and go for a GS65 or Aero 15 who have double the battery life.

 

I was replying to this point: "47wh is very very low. My dell 7370 has 43 with Core-m7 and no dedicated GPU and it can't get over 6h with normal surfing usage -.-. 47wh on 8750h and Gtx1060 is like 20m runtime ?" - thus I gave an example of a laptop which has comparable CPU and GPU, plus battery (2Wh lower than the laptop being discussed), to show that it's more than "like 20m runtime" ;-)

 

@XMG
Do you have a launch date in mind for the laptop?

PCSpecialist are also launching a laptop based on the same chassis:
https://overclock3d.net/news/systems/pc_specialist_reveals_their_recoil_ii_gaming_notebook/1

 

We do have a launch date in mind, but I can't announce that until our marketing department prepares the official announcement. It will be pretty soon however.

We usually don't announce until we are extremely close to having stock - one reason is becasue we usually have additional options compared to other companies and tend to work closer with the ODMs on things like fan profiles and testing. We are actually already discussing the next gen of this chassis!

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, our chassis is sandblasted aluminium rather than brushed like everyone else has, plus there's some other subtle differences which set our version apart. More details will follow very soon, I just can't tell all right now because of the launch schedule.

 

Answers I seek? From you? I am yet to read a sensible reply from you, and you certainly have no 'answers I seek'.

I was happy to respond to the person asking the original question, who is the one seeking answers. I already have my answers as I have the machine and use it.

The sheer bloody nerve of you to 'ask for evidence', when you have just been given it in BF1, and also my experience in Vermintide 2, Fallout4 and there is plenty of benchmarks out there of recent titles scaling well with cpu.

If you want more evidence, type it into bloody google, or better yet actually install some of these games and play them, instead of reciting third hand knowledge and giving people advice which is incorrect (but helps you sell units).

I should add here that the primary topic of contention I replied to was 1080p 60fps, thermal throttling was a later remark of mine. Even if it doesn't throttle, at the end of the day it is still a low range cpu.

Regarding thermal throttling, is not something you are familiar with in your machines, because you clearly don't game on them. It is so widely reported and well known that it is hardly worthy of comment. It is only this website which persists in the fantasy that these laptops don't throttle with the right combination of an undervolt and voodoo magic. I would expect the customers who actually delid their cpu would be well below 1% of total.

This is very simple for you Mr Sales Rep.

1. Buy Vermintide 2.
2. Install Intel XTU (the fans are fine now).
3. Play the game and watch the little 'thermal throttling' light turn on.

Doesn't get any easier than that, and as you desire evidence but outright refuse to listen to anyone with direct experience, you can go and bloody get it yourself.

Or just read the reviews on notebookcheck? Why the hell am I even talking about this? This is elementary.

Predictably you are arguing that downclocking the turbo isn't throttling and predictably you didn't have the honesty to come out and say it straight up - I've already addressed this fallacy and if you disagree contact Intel and take it up with them.

Not to mention that these cooling solutions certainly aren't overengineered, and come a hot day they get shown up.

Rest assured Meaker, I do not desire a conversation with users of all kinds, particularly those who provide dissembling responses that truly defy common sense.

My 'aggression' is in fact frustration at reading such utter nonsense, and it is unfortunate that such misleading statements are accepted without question here, and even encouraged.

 

That's nice for you.

I'm sure the summers here don't help, but this is part of real world use.

Now, what about the other half of that sentence?

You've ignored the rest of what I said, I'm sure because it highlights for you how demented\ridiculous it is for gents here to ignore primary sources in favour of what could kindly be called a novel youtube extrapolation theory.

On the bright side it's the first I've ever heard of it, so you get to name it. Rampant Gorillas Rule of Youtube or some such.

I hate to state the obvious, but it seems necessary. Why don't you just buy it on a sale or something and see for yourself?

 

I personally used a 4870hq tweaked to maintain 4 core 8 thread operation at 3.4ghz connected via x16 PCI 3.0 dock to a water cooled Titan X Maxwell at 1500mhz core clocks so around the same speed as a 1080. I never had issues with any title and it would run rings around the 1070 machines out now.