Does anyone have CLEVO with HD5870 ?

5870 has only been available for about a month. It's as bleeding edge as you get.

 

Oh im not disagreeing that it is by far the best out and will be for some time, but what I dont want to do is spend $400 on a new GPU that is only a little bit better and has DX11 when I could put up with the 285M until Nvidia bring out a better DX11 card

 

The 5870 scores almost 3k more points than the 285 in vantage.

I don't think it is only a little better, but quite a lot better.

 

If you can't do the swap for free then consider what sleey0 is doing and sell the 285M to recoup the money.

 

In synthetic benchmarks, yes. For the past year or even more, Ati Mobility cards have been better in synthetic benchmarks.

Anyway, ATI has the great advantage that it is manufactured on 40nm, unlike the 285M which is still on 55nm. Once Nvidia drops to 40nm which will happen with the 380M, then we can tell who's better.

 

You beat me to it Blacky, the ATI doesn't out perform the 285M as well in real world games.

Im might consider selling the 285M to get the 5870. However think im still within my 30 day no questions asked returns. I could just send it back. But..... Would I have to pay for shipping ? and its such a hassle I have already done it with a DELL.

 

Have you used both?

I have and I can say that the 5870 runs games much better than the 285M.

What are you basing your comments from?

 

Actually, for up to dx10, currently, both 285 and 5870 can run almost every single game in max settings smoothly, except for maybe crysis in 1920x1000 resolution. Only till dx11 where the framerate might be seeing a hit, but I rather that I'm able to run games in dx11 mode under a lower resolution than not being able to run it at all.

Can't wait to get my new laptop and test Napoleon total war and Supreme Commander 2 on it.

 

Justins Benchmarks. And a statement from Joeseph at Xotic. 4% better in some games is the average I think. Up to 35% in some which is as huge increases granted but that is only on some games. And as said by someone else on this thread the scores arent even comparable because DX11 needed to be turned off to make a proper comparison at ultra settings. SO even then the gap may drop further.

 

Better is better.

You also have to consider that the 40nm process will help with heat.

 

lol if you read my post you will see I said that, that the 5870 is clearly the better card however in real world NOT synthetics you dont see much of a gain, at least not what I was expecting.

Ye did consider that and the fact that it overclocks really well, but was just talking about game performance. If you take those factors into account then it goes back to what I just said, the 5870 has other things that clearly makes it the better card. But for people like me that have the 285M and feel like they cant keep up thats not true. the cooling in the 8690 is enough to handle the difference in heat and most games can be ran on it until Nvidia bring out a ATI smasher maybe in 6 months or so.

 

If you don't mind not being able to have dx11 features in your games, then 285 is perfectly acceptable. Therefore, if you need to pay more to upgrade to 5870, it might not be a good choice. Actually, if 285 have dx11, I would get it instead of 5870 even though 5870 is a bit faster, simply because of cuda, physx etc extra features.

 

The point I was trying to make, Thank you.

 

Sorry guys but havent we seen this argument before a thousand times.

Some peeps like ATi and some peeps like Nvidia.

I think the majority of peeps just want to know the actual performance differences between the 2 cards in games.

 

We are arguing that exact point. Im not a die hard Nvidia fan in fact quite the opposite.

And we arent arguing, sleey0 and I just have different opinions on this subject. We were just discussing the performance difference in the two cards not which manufacturer is better

 

Run the DMC4 gaming benchmark and then have a 5870 owner run it. If the 5870 beats it then it's a good indication that the 5870 would be better for most games. That benchmark has heavily favored nVidia in the past.

 

physx is useless to me so I am not going there. lol

 

Sleey0 you fancy running that bench on you 5870 and ill run it on my 285m ?

Do the rest of the components count or is it 100% GPU dependent ?

 

Nothing is 100% gpu dependant. Run it against the same proc.

 

Vitor711 has already done the DMC4 benchmark with the GTX285M here

His results were

Even if the 5870 does beat the GTX285M, the game will be completely playable at great settings on both GPU's.

How cool does the 5870 run? I don't remember seeing any idle and / or max temps. The GTX285M in my laptop idles at around 40C and maxes out after hours of GTA IV gaming at 76C. So again, even if the 5870 is cooler, both are still very cool anyway.

 

I don't think it was ever a question about being playable. Although I prefer the drivers ATI releases both cards shouldn't have issues with current games.

Cooling will depend a lot on the system. In other words the 5870 should run cooler in the Clevo than the Asus.

 

No I think the overall question or certainly my question was trying to justify selling or sending you Clevo back for the 5870, although being the better card is it worth the extra money for the increase in game performance to switch or is holding on to your 285M and hoping for a new release some were down the line a better option.

 

Just so you know, PCTorque has delegated my request to Sager. So now, I have to deal with Sager if I want the swap to happen (IF it's going to happen).

I'm a bit miffed. That 30 day policy doesn't mean much it seems.

 

I have already contacted Sager about this and they have refereed me back to PC Torque as they are the ones which took payment and placed the order. They said it would be fine on these conditions:

1. Within 30 days of RECEIVING the invoice
2. I pay both way shipping.

Sager said it would be fine.

 

That's at least 50 smacks (dollars) of additional expense. Who are you sending the unit back to?

So does this mean PCTorque will credit the transaction towards the 8690/5870 and refund the difference(the 5870 is cheaper)?

 

Its $40 and they will credit the card directly, and if cheaper they will refund the difference, however I cant see them doing that, I think they will just perform a straight swap and all you pay is the shipping.

It has to go back NO later than the 17.3.2010 (17th of March 2010)

Im going to pay the $40 for shipping anyway small price to pay if it keeps me future proof. Better than spending $400 after the 30 days are up.

 

Just to play devils advocate, if your system is running the way you like and the replacement turns out to be crap...you won't be happy to say the least.

 

lol dam you Mandrake

I know what you mean, if it aint broke hwy fix it ? however $40 for a new DX11 card with better architecture ? Just want to make it future proof, and on the other hand if the 8690 with the 5870 turns out be to amazing and I have gone past my 30 days send back window i will be even more p*ssed ?

 

I'm hoping that my reseller would accept the trade. GTX 280 for HD5870 since I've only been using the laptop for a week. Although there are no express terms or agreements or offers for the free upgrade. If I do end up having to buy the HD5870, I'll have to wait a few more months before doing so since it costs me 1070 Malaysian Ringgit to purchase the card itself and upgrade.

Anyone got any ideas on what I can do?

 

I would still do it to.

 

Just scheduled my pick up know, im a laptop . This is the second one I have had for less than 2 weeks before shipping it back.

Cost me $40 to send it directly to Sager or $80 for a UPS shipping label. I naturally went with the $40. Which I think is a fair price for a GPU upgrade At least it will stop me leaving work early to game!!! Dam that Joker need teaching a lesson.

 

Per request here is the updated benchmarks. Enjoy

 

Interesting, I'll have to look up my old 4870 score.

 

Which CPU did you use ?

 

Stupid question...so this should take care of shipping both ways, correct?

 

Listed on each sheet, it was the 920XM

 

Yes I would imagine so, dont worry I always ask them its better to be sure ! I have just printed the UPS label out its all very straight forward if you get a responsive rep.

RE Benchmark Scores:

Looks like the 5870 is overall the better performer apart from in heavily Nvidia designed games I.e Crysis ? I didnt think the gap was or would be ask big as it is. Sorry Sleey0 I take it back. If it was a toss up between the 285M or 5870 I would go with the 5870, as 30% average better performance not including DX11 is quite good.

 

Ups, my bad.

 

Thanks for manning-up and admitting defeat lol

Nah, it's all good. I know you haven't used a 5870 yet but once you do you will see why I am hyping it so much.

VERY good card

 

I just spoke to the Sager rep (who for some reason evasive with the response), and basically you pay to ship to Sager, then Sager will charge you $40 to ship back once they're done with the card swap.

I really have to think about this now. I have no problem with $40, but I think it is another $20-30 just to ship TO Sager. Which is $60-70 total (at the very least).

 

SO basically its $40 either way ?

 

You pay for shipping TO Sager ($20-$30, depending on UPS Ground charges) out of your own pocket.

Once Sager is done with swapping the card, they will call you for you credit card info (to charge the $40 return shipping to you).

Your total shipping expense is at least $70.

By the way, in my email, the shipping instruction says to insure (which makes sense, but definitely jacks up the shipping another $10) the laptop.

So the real grand total is $40 each way = $80.

So I am wondering, is it still worth to "upgrade"?

 

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yes

/10char

 

@fluffyuk

I'm wondering if PCTorque will refund that $55 difference for the "cheaper" card.

 

No idea I would like to think so but dont count on it, let me know if you get an answer.
Im going to go ahead and pay the $80 as much as it makes me sick. I got a free upgrade to the 320GB HDD so I guess it negates that a little which makes paying the $80 a little more bareable. I was going to wait for a Nvidia GPU and as sure as I am it will come theres no guarentees that the power it will produce will be ompatible withthe 8690 so Im not taking any chances $80 now or $400 later if theres no sign of an upgrde. You do the math

 

I would try to persuade them to accept just the GPU being shipped back as opposed to the whole laptop. It is far too easy for laptops to get damaged in transit and unless it is absolutely necessary, I won't send my laptop out.

I remember in my last laptop the HDD had issues and they asked me to send the entire laptop back but I got them to accept just the failed part. Worth a try and would be cheaper and safer.

 

I sort of asked them but thy said they need me to ship the whole thing as they want to install the dirvers and what not.

 

Here's what I received in the email:

"You can ship back the unit and we can change the GPU to ATI. You can get the GPU price different credit from PC Torque but you need paid both way shipping.

Please write the RMA# ------ on the outside the package ship back to:

SAGER MIDERN COMPUTER
18005 CORTNEY CT.
CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA. 91748

*** Please insured your return package, and make sure DON'T use a small package or envelope, otherwise the notebook will be damage due to limit protection.
Complete system should be shipped with original package box if possible, or to be placed inside the carrying bag of the system and packaged with good protected materials.

*** You must include a note for your return shipping address, phone no and email address otherwise if we ship to a wrong address is not our responsibility.

*** Please include your OS password so we can update the GPU driver.

*** If the battery, hard disk or the ac adapter will not sent back with the notebook, please include a letter statement that these items are not included"

I wonder if this also means the BIOS need to be changed.

 

Thanks for forwarding the email

 

Can't wait for the review Moo.