Driver for 8800M GTX that does not suck?

174.93 seems to be signed addording to lv2g, you could give that a try here

 

Yeah, a bit strange since I thought the M570RU-U used to have the same sepcs on everything. Unless it`s a new rev of 8800m or something. Can`t say that I`m complaining

 

duh, what software do u need to measure your speeds for the graphic card?

Thanks in advance for answer

 

RIVATUNER SHOWS INCORRECT SPEEDS!!! I get the same speed shown with rivatuner!

use atitool!

regards

 

That explains it! It seemed too good to be true that mine came factory overclocked

 

Hi,
I've recently overclocked my 8800MGTX via vbios flashing to 600 1400 900;volt 1.05v and GPU temp after Crysis went up from 65deg to 68deg. I was wondering how far GPU temp can go before it will damage the GPU? Does 68 deg leaves room for any higher overclock? 3D mark 06 score 9982 no CPU (T9300) overclocking. M570RU on Vist HP 64bit.

 

If you use full fan speed , you could go upto 75C without an issue.
But as all systems are different,be advised that OCing can reduce the lifespan of the components even if the heat levels aren`t that high.
So 75-80C should be the max limit.

 

Im still sitting with the .07 BIOS and DC'ing, but after looking through some .inf's for a few drivers, comparing them to the 167.43 stock ones, there are many things which differes. This could be why some, even with the .08 BIOS still suffer from DC'ing. But it can also still be caused, by the BIOS and VBIOS.

One thing that really strikes me is, that the 167.43 comes with 2 .inf's for installing, the 174.31 only comes with one ?? The LV2G .inf for 167.43, doesn't include the Clevo 8800M or atleast not the Device ID of mine:

LV2G 167.43 inf:
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0600.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0600
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0609.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0609
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0611.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0611
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_061A.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_061A

"Stock" 167.43 inf:
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_060C.1% = nv_G8x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_060C&SUBSYS_05731558
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_060C.2% = nv_G8x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_060C&SUBSYS_09021558

(My Device ID is, accordin to GPU-Z, 10DE - 060C, which is found just above, just compare with the LV2G one, its not there)

The LV2G 174.31 one:
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0600.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0600
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0604.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0604
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0607.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0607
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0608.1% = mobile_nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0608
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0609.1% = mobile,nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0609
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_060C.1% = mobile_nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_060C
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_060F.1% = mobile_nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_060F
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0611.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0611
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0612.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0612
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0613.1% = nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0613
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_061A.1% = nv_WSApps_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_061A
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_061C.1% = nv_WSApps_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_061C

Now see what is after the "=", here we see it is installed with diffrent ControlFlags, the 174.31 with mobile_nv_NV3x and the 167.43 stock nv_G8x, now here is the controle flags for the two:

;Mobile GPU's
[mobile_nv_NV3x]
Include = msdv.inf
FeatureScore = F6
CopyFiles = nv.KMode, nv.UMode, nv.OpenGL, nv.Panel, nv.Uninstall, nv.Help, nv.PanelClient
AddReg = nv_SoftwareDeviceSettings
AddReg = nv_ControlPanelSettings
AddReg = nv_icdSoftwareSettings
AddReg = Mobile_Tweaks
AddReg = Default16BPP_AddReg
AddReg = Uninstall_AddReg
AddReg = EvictionThreshold_AddReg
DelReg = nv_ClearRegistrySwitches
RegisterDlls = nv.RegisterDlls

[mobile_nv_NV3x.CoInstallers]
CopyFiles = nv.CoInstaller
AddReg = nv_CoInstaller_AddReg

[mobile_nv_NV3x.Services]
AddService = nvlddmkm, 0x00000002, nv_Service_Inst

[mobile_nv_NV3x.GeneralConfigData]
MaximumDeviceMemoryConfiguration = 128
MaximumNumberOfDevices = 4

And here the 167.43:
[nv_G8x]
Include = msdv.inf
FeatureScore = F6
CopyFiles = nv.KMode, nv.UMode, nv.OpenGL, nv.Panel, nv.Help, nv.Uninstall, nv.PanelClient
AddReg = nv_SoftwareDeviceSettings
AddReg = nv_icdSoftwareSettings
AddReg = nv_ControlPanelSettings
AddReg = PerfLevelSrc_AddReg
AddReg = Uninstall_AddReg
AddReg = EvictionThreshold_AddReg
AddReg = ModesetBlankDelay_AddReg
DelReg = nv_ClearRegistrySwitches
RegisterDlls = nv.RegisterDlls

[nv_G8x.CoInstallers]
CopyFiles = nv.CoInstaller
AddReg = nv_CoInstaller_AddReg

[nv_G8x.Services]
AddService = nvlddmkm, 0x00000002, nv_Service_Inst

[nv_G8x.GeneralConfigData]
MaximumDeviceMemoryConfiguration = 128
MaximumNumberOfDevices = 4

As you see, there is quite some diffrence already here, right ?

For an example, the Mobile_Tweaks that the 174.31 ones will add, is missing in the 167.43 ones. The add is:
HKR,, BandwidthFactor, %REG_DWORD%, 5
HKR,, DFPAsDefaultMonitor, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, DualViewAllow2ndViewAsPrimary, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, DualViewAllowNonDFPAsPrimary, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, DualViewHotKeyPolicy, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, DualViewMobile, %REG_DWORD%, 2
HKR,, DualViewPolicyID, %REG_DWORD%, 2
HKR,, EnableAGPSBA, %REG_DWORD%, 0
HKR,, EnableBrightnessControl, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, GlitchFreeMClk, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, LVDSReduceFreq, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, OverlayMode4, %REG_BINARY%, 03,00,00,00
HKR,, Override1400x1050, %REG_DWORD%, 2
HKR,, SoftEDIDs, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, UseHWSelectedDevice, %REG_DWORD%, 1

There are some other diffrences aswell further into the .inf's but I would guess, atleast some of the reason to the dc'ing would be because of these lines above. Maybe this is why we need BIOS and VBIOS updates, as some of these entries dont work with the current bios's ?

Dunno about the two down below, but its another two entries which differes from the two:

[Default16BPP_AddReg]
HKR,, "DefaultSettings.BitsPerPel",%REG_DWORD%,16

[PerfLevelSrc_AddReg]
HKR,, PerfLevelSrc, %REG_DWORD%, 0x3333

Else there is this from the [nv_ClearRegistrySwitches]:

Taken 174.31, missing in 167.43:
HKR,, VideoPPDeinterlaceCaps
HKR,, VideoPPDeinterlaceFeature
HKR,, VideoPPDeinterlaceAlg
HKR,, VideoPPDeinterlaceEnhance
HKR,, VideoPPDeinterlaceMisc
HKR,, VideoPPScalingCaps
HKR,, VideoPPScalingFeature
HKR,, VideoPPScalingAlg
HKR,, VideoPPScalingEnhance
HKR,, VideoPPScalingMisc
HKR,, VideoPPCadenceCaps
HKR,, VideoPPCadenceFeature
HKR,, VideoPPCadenceAlg
HKR,, VideoPPCadenceEnhance
HKR,, VideoPPCadenceMisc
HKR,, VideoPPNoiseReductionCaps
HKR,, VideoPPNoiseReductionFeature
HKR,, VideoPPNoiseReductionAlg
HKR,, VideoPPNoiseReductionEnhance
HKR,, VideoPPNoiseReductionMisc
HKR,, VideoPPNoiseReductionValue
HKR,, VideoPPNoiseReductionValueMin
HKR,, VideoPPNoiseReductionValueMax
HKR,, VideoPPEdgeEnhanceCaps
HKR,, VideoPPEdgeEnhanceFeature
HKR,, VideoPPEdgeEnhanceAlg
HKR,, VideoPPEdgeEnhanceEnhance
HKR,, VideoPPEdgeEnhanceMisc
HKR,, VideoPPEdgeEnhanceValue
HKR,, VideoPPEdgeEnhanceValueMin
HKR,, VideoPPEdgeEnhanceValueMax
HKR,, VideoPPOverDriveCaps
HKR,, VideoPPOverDriveFeature
HKR,, VideoPPOverDriveAlg
HKR,, VideoPPOverDriveEnhance
HKR,, VideoPPOverDriveMisc
HKR,, _PV1_ENU_VideoColorControl_ColorCaps
HKR,, _PV1_ENU_VideoColorControl_ColorFeature
HKR,, _PV1_ENU_VideoColorControl_ColorTempCaps
HKR,, _PV1_ENU_VideoColorControl_ColorTempFeature
HKR,, _PV1_ENU_VideoColorControl_GammaCaps
HKR,, _PV1_ENU_VideoColorControl_GammaFeature
HKR,, _PV1_ENU_VideoColorControlSettings
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_Brightness
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_ColorTemperature
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_Contrast
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_Gamma
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_GammaB
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_GammaG
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_GammaR
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_Hue
HKR,, _PV1_VAL_Saturation
HKR,, PowerMizerEnable
HKR,, PowerMizerLevel
HKR,, PowerMizerLevelAC

Taken from 167.43 missing from 174.31:
HKR,, VarBusLinkWidth
HKR,, "DefaultSettings.BitsPerPel"
HKR,, "DefaultSettings.XResolution"
HKR,, "DefaultSettings.YResolution"
HKR,, MapOSD3ToNV
HKR,, PerfLevelSrc
HKR,, ModesetBlankDelay

I personally think the problem lays in the lines above Is there anyone that got some experience with driver modding, some help could be used Im just a guy wondering about why the h*** it wount work and found some diffrence between some drivers that works and that downclock

 

Yeah I think that it might be something with the drivers as well. I have tried so far, all with downclocking=

a) .07 bios + vbios .14+ 174.82 drivers= downclocking
b) .07 bios + vbios .12 + 174.31 drivers= downclocking
c) .08 bios + vbios .14 + 174.82 drivers= downclocking
d) .08 bios + vbios .12 + 174.82, 174.74, 174.31= downclocking



Im at a loss really why my 8800M downclocks with new drivers and other NBR members dont have this issue. Could it be that they have the m57xru-u, and i have the m571ru? could this be the problem? Do they have different mobo's?

We need to find the culprit here to our downclokcing, GangstaOne has been helping me with the bios uploads and advice, but we still cant figure this one out. hmmm.

 

It says signed, but I get the same message. I'll keep trying different drivers.

 

So should I just avoid purchasing any notebook that has a GeForce 8800M GTX?

 

Hell no, even without driver updates it still beats the hell out of all the other mobile cards out there!

 

scooberdoober - as theriko says Its by far the strongest mobile card out there, so just go for it we are just lacking some driver support, but nVidia is trying to fix it, and we are others that also trying some errorfinding

Akakios - If you want to find out if your card accept a driver, open the .inf (do not change anything please ) and look for a line looking like these (you just have to scroll down a bit and all the PCI_ID's accepted by the drivers will be listed):
%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_060C.1% = mobile_nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_060C

%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_060C.1% = nv_G8x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_060C&SUBSYS_05731558

Do not care about whats not bolded, as thats telling the driver how to behave

naticus - I dont got a clue tbh. Only thing I know is that it seems, the stock ones are telling the drivers to install without any mobile settings :S

EDIT:
Btw, wouldn't it not just be possible to use the .inf from the stock drivers, with the newer drivers ?? That should tell the newer drivers to act as the stock ones, with the newer driverpackage right ? If im right, that should enable us to install newer drivers without downclocking, as I think, it got something to do, with excatly the way the mobile drivers are telling the card to behave. Would really like an oppinion from someone that knows what they are talking about, as im just walking in the dark in this area

 

where possible always use the inf that natively supports your card, in our case nvcv.inf (look for that next time)

as good as the LV2GO ones are, to get the most performance always use the defualt ones that supports your card.

 

Indeed, but as some of the .dll's in the newer drivers got diffrent names or completly misses, I would suspect that the drivers might install faulty. Also, driver version have to be replaced with the newer version number, tho easily done.

I was thinking about modding the 174.31 .inf's Controle Flag to look like the 167.43 one, but down the line, it seems to be a bigger step, as there are a lot of lines in there that im not totally sure what does. Would be easy just to change the driver version number of the 167.43 ones to fit to the 174.31, but im unsure if it will work

 

Im wondering about this as well, though i would have no way of knwoing how to do any of this...hmmm. Might be a good to look into though.

 

i have NP5793 (T9300,8800mGTX,WinVistaHome32)
using the original video driver got 8900 marks using 3Dmark
then i replace the driver with 174.82 and theres no significant change
and tried to overclock it with ATItool but i cant go any further beyond 500/800 can anyone tell me what to do ??
EDIT : the video bios :62.92.23.00.14(GPUZ)

 

Try Riva Tuner.
There`s a guide here :
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=81852

 

Largest improvement you can do is changing to win xp. I have a T8300 cpu, same gfx and get over 9600 points in 3Dmark06. With overclocking as well you can easily go past 10000 points

 

So m3z3ias have you been looking at the device Ids on the drivers? I checked them out and I noticed they are different from vendor-to-vendor (lv2go sets anyway). And as I understand lv2go.com finds OEM drivers and then uses custom .inf files so they can be loaded on all nvidia cards, thanks to the unified architecture. So we should be able to enter our custom device ID into the driver .inf and it should work maybe? Im not sure though.

 

As far as I understand, the Device ID have to be there to install the driver, tho not saying anything about it to work. If the Device ID aint there it wount install The ID's for the Clevo M57xRU 8800M GTX is: Vendor ID: 10DE Device ID: 060C and Subsys: 05731558. These are for the card sitting in the M57xRU's. For the driver to install one of the following lines has to be there (care just about the bolded atm, as whats in between is whats telling the driver what to install):

%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_060C.1% = mobile_nv_NV3x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_060C

%NVIDIA_G92.DEV_060C.1% = nv_G8x, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_060C&SUBSYS_05731558

But as you see, one seems to install as a mobile, where the other leaves the mobile tweaks out, look in my post on page 36 for what the mobile tweaks are (Ive bolded "mobile tweaks" in that post, so look for it after the "The add is:" ) (The first line is from the 174.31 LV2G .inf, the other from stock driver)

So for it to work, I think we have to mod the drivers to NOT install the mobile tweaks, which are left out in the stock ones. But TBH im still just wondering, but im tempted to try and mod the 174.31 ones, so it will install as the 167.43, just with the new .dll's

But im unsure how much that needs to be modded and excatly what does what. Another thing is, that im in the middle of writing a project on College and would be sad to have to be without my only comp, if anything goes totally wrong.

 

yeah that sucks man, we need to try this out, but im in school as well and cant afford to lose my only computer also. I emeailed my reseller hopefully they will have a remedy that of which i havent tried already

 

Ill just need a comfirmation on that it wount fry the card by trying to mod the driver

 

the latest driver from the clevo website for vista x64 and its 167.44 its not a big improvement from stock 167.43.

i just ran 3dmark06 and got:
10630 with 167.44 no downclock.
10760 with 167.43 (stock)
in all fairness i had rivatuner on for the 167.44 to check for downclocks.
So far no downclock but no amazing improvement either.
Why not a really recent optimized driver for these cards, i thought a top end product came with top end support (drivers).

 

but the link you stated only guides to how to monitor the temps

 

Oh. Right. Well to OC, you need to do the following:

 

One good driver for 8800M GTX SLI config. but also work with single card

Vista 32bit

http://rapidshare.com/files/1098669...orce_Driver_v174.82_M6__32bit_Vista_.exe.html

 

hey m3z3ias have you tired the driver that gangastaone uploaded yet? Is it a clevo driver? I wonder if it will downclock as I tried 174.82 from lv2go and it downclocked. Hmmm.

 

I was considering purchasing a notebook with this GPU, but by the looks of it I still think maybe I'd better not. Are all of you guys having these problems, or is it just mostly naticus?

 

I think it is about 3 of us, though im not sure why yet. The truth of the matter is that the 8800m even with stock drivers will be 2x as fast as anycard you have now, and in game performance (as tested by myself and a friend with m9750 7950gtx sli) is about ~1.5x faster than Sli. ( about 1.9x performance over 8700m gt sli). Trust me this card is worth it in every way. Its just a few of us having an issue that im sure will be fixed soon enough, if not by the community than Eurocom will fix it, i'll ***** to much for them to ignore me.

 

I know I've experienced some downclocking with my 8800M; a 3dmark06 score of 4600 is pretty indicative when I normally get in th 8600s heh. I haven't seem to have had a problem lately, though. I went back to 169.44 for crysis but I doubt it's that since I'm pretty sure it was doing it with these drivers before...

 

yeah it maybe some drivers and some vbios, bios combos. I havent tried the 169.44 though.

 

Well I have the .14 vbios and .08 system bios and I know it downclocked at least once during 3dmark06 using 174.74. I think it did it a few times with the NGO 169.25 ones as well.

I haven't had my 8800M long enough to keep track though. Most of the time it works great (though I've gotten lower and lower 3dmark06 scores with each driver swap, even using driversweeper in safe mode between each uninstall/install. meh.)

I've seen it do it to crysis too. I'll go from 25 fps to 10 fps avg out of nowhere. Again, though, it's not all the time, just sometimes.

 

Well I'll keep my eye on this thread to see how it all ends up, hopefully good for you guys.

 

Im goign to try a vbios Gangstaone has uploaded for me, I will let you know if it stops the downclocking....

 

I've got 538/839. It's pretty stable, but during 3DMark a display driver error popped up, but didn't effect the rest of the test. I got 10831, though I expected a tiddy bit more. Not disappointed though. I use a modded 169.04 driver and I can OC freely. I had gotten 95xx with stock drivers, then when I upgraded to this modded driver I got 10281 in 3DMark without OCing. I see this as the perfect driver for the 8800m GTX w/ XP. Just my 2 cents.

P.S. And scooberdoober, your sig scared the s*** outta me when I first saw it lol.

 

lmao!

 

Well I tried the vbios GangstaOne upladed for me (the d901c vbios) and tried 2 different sytem BIOS' and neither fixed the downclocking issue with new drivers. My reseller better get off there but with a fix as I have emailed them 3x now with no reply to my issue.

 

Now ive tryed to mod a few inf's my self, the one with the 174.31 modded with entries from 167.43 one that works, but also the 167.43 modded to work with the 174.31, with the 174.31 drivers and it still downclocks.

Even the 167.44 make it DC....

Still stuck with 167.43 ones... Getting kinda pissed now... nVidia have to get their fingers out their a****

 

Maybe a new BIOS might fix that.
I`d contact Sager and complain.

 

Actually after messing around with the .inf's my self, it seems to have messed a bit with the comp :S Ive had some fiddeling around getting it to pass 8500 3DMarks with stock drivers again. Even thoes began to DC

My 2D clocks are now 200/400/600 (DDR Freq), and dosent think they were that before ?? Anyone that can confirm thoes clocks? RivaTuner Report says that the normal 2D Clocks are 200/400/100... Anyways other clocks are as they should be, 275/550/300, 383/767/300 and 500/1250/800.

Im now back up, passing the 8500 Marks again

Eleron911: Indeed ill contact my reseller monday and see if the will get me a newer BIOS or else ill just have to use one of the others out there. But tbh im even more thinking its a driver issue now than before, as Ive seen the 167.43 DC now aswell

 

Well that sucks then. Is anyone not experiencing downclocking with their 8800M GTX WITHOUT re-flashing the bios?
I want to make sure that when I switch to the 8800M GTX, I won`t have issues like these...

 

It would be really cool to see someone make a how-to / summarize this problem and it's possible solutions, because digging through 40 odd pages of stuff is an unassailable task at the moment, but i want my money's worth!

 

eleron911 - Im now back up to normal speeds again with the stock ones, just my 2D memory clocks acting up now, guess something is still left from that ive been messing around with .inf's. Think ill have a reformat inc. But never the less, it must be some sort of driver problem, as Ive had the stock ones DC aswell now. Still, strange that no newer ones work without flashing.

 

Hi eleron911,
I've never had any dowclocking issues with mine 8800M GTX, the bios version is .8 and vbios is .14. I used boot disc to overclock via nvflash. The driver which i'm using is 174.82 and it's working fine. I try also 167.43 (stock), 167.44, 167.62 and 169.47 which was the worst for 3Dmark06 score. Tryed also 174.74 from LV2G but there was an error during installation. Scored 10014 3D Mark 06 with 600 1400 900 and 9184 with stock, driver 174.82. CPU T9300. Vista 64bit with SP1

 

yeah i have mentioned in another post the numerous combonations of vbios and bios, drivers that i have used all with the downclocking issue. I believe it might be a driver issue with certain cards made early on. This is the only idea i can come up with as most people that have the u-u version of the clevo do not have thsi problem at all.

 

Very Good Driver with SLI Support for Vista 32bit

http://rapidshare.com/files/1106670...orce_Driver_v174.93_M6__32bit_Vista_.exe.html

 

Interesting. So DC is something rather isolated than a general issue.
Nice to know

 

Well, also all newer lappies delivered, is with the .08 bios, that might also have something to do with it

I find it hard to belive, that its on hardware basis, would rather look for software issuses, tho I will not say, that in some cases it aint a hardware fault.

Still think that in my case, its a software issue, as if it works with one driver I cannot see, why it wount work with others

 

Yeah but cards are different and we may have a hardware limitation/mobo w/ 8800 limitation where our mobo may be different than those wiht the newer notebooks, or some combimation of factors, as I bought my notebook with the 8800m pre-order so i had one early on. Im not sure thsi is what the problem definately is, but it could be.

Also i know the newer laptops come with the .08 bios, but i have tried it and it still downclocks...so im thinking a hardware issue mobo/gpu, both?