Feedback to Clevo R&D Team: What's missing or broken in your Skylake laptops?

See.. I had NO idea about that thread.. I just know my AW15 R1 is majorly effed up and I have had nothing but problems.

 

You will find much more of the DELL Throttle HELL If you Google(the record is 6 MB but no fix). See also the NEW MODELS as well People should search up info before they throw all the hard earned money down the toilet.

 

x299 skylake-x and thank you clevo

 

Im definitely missing a full keyboard on the 17" models instead of that almost full 15" thing.

 

A few people haven't been ecstatic that Clevo uses the same keyboards for their 15" class systems on the 17" systems. It would nice to have something a little more spacious, make better use of the extra real estate.

 

definitely missing: official bios updates for kaby lake and (future) coffee lake

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Just a kind reminder: Please add 2.5K @ 120Hz display options on your lighter 17 inch laptops. Those screens are the future!

 

You do need a 1080 to really use that res and refresh rate for the most part at the moment.

 

I don;t care about gaming. I care about screen real estate and 120 Hz is so much better for the eyes.

 

They exist... for the P7xxDM2/3 models. DM is EOL just like P870DM3. What you want is Clevo to support socketed models for more than 8 months...

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yes i do! as do pretty much all users here, yourself included and those are exceptions that confirm the rule...

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LCD images are persistent so there is no eye benefit like there was for increasing refresh rates on CRTs where beyond 100hz was great

 

I code a lot. Browsing through code is less straining on the eye when I try to identify the line of code I want to get. The same with websites, I scroll faster through them on my 120Hz display.
So basically, I am more productive on the 120Hz display. If the image is static it won't help much, I agree.

 

that is interesting to know. for me, i find less brightness (assuming its not too dark to see) and larger font size helps less strain on the eye.

 

Less brightness yes! I calibrated my displays to 6500K 200 cd and it's much better. But the fonts , heh, I keep everything at 2560x1440 resolution (24 inch displays).

 

It's more likely that it's more the white/black pixel response times (Which to be fair tend to be better on high refresh rate panels) that are most important to you then.

 

Exactly! :-D

 

Well after some time spent with Lenovo Y920 i think that Clevo should try to get at least an option to put similar low profile mechanical keyboard (maybe cooperation with Corsair?) into their laptops (i don't know if these would fit into P6XX but for P7XX/P8XX maybe yes)...

 

Something like that could be interesting...

 

This is something that's already on our radar, but:

- companies like Corsair have exclusive relationships with other companies, so the first big problem is finding a good quality keyboard manufacturer/specialist who will work with Clevo (or other ODMs for that matter)

- cost, different chassis variants for mechanical keyboard vs other keyboard options

- getting enough Clevo direct customers to commit to purchase the options int he first place. This is quite a big issue, because if say XMG and Sager commit to an MOQ it still doesn't mean that the project would be cost effective and thus possible for Clevo to entertain in the first place.

The key (excuse the pun!) is getting market support for this kind of option to get an idea like this off the ground, EDIT: but I'm definitely not ruling it out ;-)

 

Unrelated but do you know if upping the Heatsink fit and finish is on the radar? It costs a small fortune to have to keep buying and swapping out Heatsinks in search for a good one. It's the end of the road for me and Clevo unless they fix this. I truly hope they address this because they're the only game in town making non BGA machines.

 

Yes, it's under discussion - I can't say more at this point in time though, sorry.

 

That's ok. Thanks for letting us know. Hopefully it gets sorted. Bonus points for if they hook up DM/KM customers

 

The latter is very very very very very very very very very very very unlikely.

 

It's nice to dream. I believe in the car industry they do recalls

 

Well MSI has SteelSeries while Lenovo has hooked up with Razer from what i know. Acer will have low profile mechanical KB in their new slim laptops but don't know from whom. Meanwhile corsair makes probably the best mechanical KB out there and they don't work with any laptop producer (from what i know). They could be very good match for Clevo i think.

 

Yup, in theory yes - I wasn't picking on Corsair having exclusive relationships already but a general comment about "corsair-like" companies. For a start Corsair would have to get on board, but as I hinted I am specifically not ruling out this type of keyboard comming to an XMG laptop at some point

 

i see what u did there

 

He he! Actually it should read 'not ruling out', have edited so it makes more sense.

 

Ryzen CPU's (or any cpu with more than 4 cores) and either a full sized 17" keyboard or mechanical keyboard (ala gt83vr)

 

A function lock would be nice, so I can decide if I want F1-12 or special functions as default without having to hold FN+FX.

 

X299, Skylake X and more fans. Basically a refresh of the P570WM

 

I don't see what would be difficult about this. For guys that want to stick with a 4 core processor there's Kabylake X, for guys that want more there's Skylake X. If they run into cooling problems, only offer the CPUs that the machine can cool. If someone wants to install something bigger, more power hungry. It's on them. From what I can see the old Panthers used to cool 150 watt processors, but with only 100 watt GPUs. So that might be an issue.

 

Maybe this is to late...or maybe this goes on the wish list. I don't really know. Sorry:

But PLEASE can we have at least 3x DDI (switchable through BIOS) to the Thunderbolt3 ports and mini DisplayPorts! so we can have a triple G-sync Nvidia Surround monitor setup!!!

Even if you have to erase that HDMI port on the back of the laptop, as we can just add an HDMI adapter to the mini DisplayPorts or ThunderBolt ports when a HDMI connection is ever needed.

 

Designing a system at the best of times is not easy, investing into a platform that has no support for a mobile platform is not a simple ask.

 

But It can be done, correct? This is coming from a guy who doesn't know much about computers, definitely a newbie. My thought is if they had an X79 board in the p570WM and the new Intel boards are X299, with a boatload of available processors, from 4 core to 10 or 12 or whatever Skylake X will be. It is possible for the next generation of Clevo models to be based on the X299 board..

 

It certainly can be done but we are talking a huge investment into design and costs. It's a more complex platform requiring more materials and will have little support from intel.

It would be risky in the sense if it does not sell well the company could suffer badly.

 

I GET IT! I don't understand the behind the scenes dealings, like "little support from Intel" but what you're saying makes sense. It'll cost a fortune to develop the laptop and if resellers aren't selling them by the truckloads it'll be a huge loss for Clevo.

 

If you are designing a system for a standard platform (say 7700HQ) your engineers can reach out to Intel for help on things like best tracing practises etc. And also if following these and you have an issue they can help you investigate and come up with a solution. If you want to try going outside of that (say putting a HEDT platform into a notebook) you are basically on your own.

 

Yeah, the excuse Mr. Azor had for not use desktop i7 in the AWbook's. And instead pushed for BGA. Not only for the processor, but as well the graphics.

 

Wish they would revert to the old Alienwares that people praised so heavily back in the day. I remember a time when everybody loved them. If not for anything else, many people get one because they remember AW being one of the best things in the world.

I have not tested one, so I cannot say how good they are now, but I know that people praised them a lot in the past.

 

Alienware used to have pretty impressive and interesting systems. Did order a few for work, including a SMP system, Clevo DTR based, mind you. But those days are long gone now.

 

Yeah, You said it correctly "back in the days". This is the new Alienware The big changes come early 2015.

 

So would you bet the farm?

I think it would certainly have to be epic. Titan class GPU, X299 up to 18 core support, max temps of 70C at stock, 4x m.2 supporting raid, pair of 2.5" bays, 4x memory slots, 17.3"/18.4" 4k 120hz display.

I would say starting at $4999 and going up to $10000 with 18 core CPU and 4x 2TB M.2.

 

Still a damn better deal than the $10450 I have to pay for the AcerBook X21 here home

 

Oh, I followed that link...

One can only hope then?

You know, my fear looks like: The next generation has less performance than the current generation. This is what I fear. And that is because my work is very heavy and I always need more performance, things need to always go up...

 

Yes but that's like selling the Titan-x to say the 1080ti is good value

 

At least, you will get mainstream Intel 6 cores i7 and a bit more performance. More is better than less

 

With AMD in the picture at all I doubt you will see a regression.

 

I've just read the title of this topic and I must say:


To be honest:
1) Keyboard in P700 and P800 series sucks as hell. And 17'3 laptops still utilizes 15'6 keyboard! Use the damn space you have!
2) P870DM 970M/980M heatsink is too weak. 3 pipes? Big nope. There should be 4th over VRM/MOSFET or at least all 3 should be wide (not only middle one). Same with DM2/DM3/KM heatsinks.
3) P775DM CPU heatsink/heatpipes should be redesigned and improved.
4) Stock BIOS is quite trashy...
5) Rework CCC, it's good but lack's of some useful functions -> look at MSI one.

Rest of all is awesome. Performance, audio (at least in P870DM it's badass). Nothing else to cry/yell at.