First look at the P650SE?

yes and no, so far ive seen resellers offer up to a 4870HQ but yea, the CPU is not user-changeable since its a BGA socket (soldered onto mobo)

 

Does anyone have a source for the display types in this beast? IPS/IGZO/TN?

 

IPS *10char

 

I was about to pull the trigger on a new Desktop, but with the new 970m/980m's performance it's a tough competitor now, given the portability this laptop could give.

Few questions:

1. Why do people lean towards Matte displays?

2. Why do people want a 1080p display when we've got 3K(not much info on it for this model, although i think it's the sweetspot visually) and 4K variants. I've been looking for a laptop with higher than 1080p display explicitly, as Macbook retina's look amazing.(i'm guessing it has to do with Windows Scaling issues, but i'm a dual-boot Linux Mint user aswell which reportedly scales fine with higher res displays)

3. Why would anyone pre-order this without a) seeing a proper side angle view of the laptop and b) seeing a video of the keyboard flex. I'm holding out for that.


This laptop could be the unicorn i've been waiting for.

 

1- reflections, outdoor use...for the rest glossy is better.
2- Can you tell me how much FPS you can pull out of a macbook pro with retina display ? 1080p offers the best compromise between quality look, and performance.
3-Keyboard flex no one really cares to be honest, side angle view ? we have the dimension of the laptop, no need for some pictures.

You seem to focus on the look of the laptop and it's screen resolution, clearly an apple fan ! ^^. More seriously you should be worried more about heat, battery life, throttle etc, REAL problems for this slim laptop.

 

First review: Schenker Technologies XMG P505 Pro mit GeForce GTX 970M im Test

Translated: Google Translate

Seems the 980M version will be 4mm thicker.

970M version is loud (48.5 dB) and the CPU is hot (94 °C for the 4870HQ) but I guess that is to be expected with Haswell.

Side views:

 

definitely manageable with some heatsink tweaks and a good paste job

 

The non removable battery, non serviceable components (solder) and horrific temps IMHO run contrary to everything the Clevo brand stood for for so many years.

I had a hard time accepting they stopped providing bios upgrades and that their cooling was sloppy to the point where on top of flashing EC's, Jo Average was expected to mill his own copper to a flat level.

It seems they are going from enthusiast/connoisseur/pro-consumer to cheap/mainstream-market/disposable/shiny. Let's see where this road takes them.

 

Im pretty much sold on this laptop once I see some more reviews. To your point, its not like they don't offer their older style laptops. I get some people just can't deal with change but this is more of an addition than anything.

 

So what's the difference between the schenker p505 based on the p651se and this p650se?

 

Well, compared to the other systems that they have reviewed it has average to slightly better than average noise levels Plus, CPU 94 °C is under Prime95 and Furmark simultaneously, real world CPU temperatures are lower of course. The 970M hitting 72C under Furmark is pretty good in a slimmer chassis too! (P.S.we do take the stock thermal pads off and use MX-2 so this will have reduced temps)

siperiea - the XMG P505 (P651) has a sandblast finish, which in our opinion is much nicer than the brushed type finish on the P650.

 

I love the high resolution screens.
I can't wait to see similar high resolution screens on 17 inch models.
Then I am set .

 

anyone know yet if the 17 inch model might sport the 6/8 GB versions of the 970/980M?

 

horrific temps"

eh, 94°C CPU and 72°C , no throttle, saw worse...
1) repast
2) take a 4710
3) watch the temp decrease

 

Not now, but i highly doubt it to be honest. there's something between slim form factor and 8Gig Vram that I don't get.

 

Very simple:

Onboard GTX980M are 4GB, GTX970M 3GB.

MXM GTX980M are 8GB, GTX970M are 6GB.

 

i like the info but i dont like the content haha

*sigh* difficult choice!

go for soldered cpu&gpu with less vram and potentially more heat, but 4k display option, sleek design, portability and m.2 sata express

or

upgradeable cpu&gpu with more vram, better cooling, but "only" fhd display and msata, bulkier design and all that in last year's barebone? @p150sm-a

hmmmm.....difficult choice indeed

clevo? please release the p150sm-b immediately!

 

The change you are getting here is that when your GPU dies you need a new machine. When your CPU dies you will need a new machine. When your battery wears 30% after 12 months (like on my last Clevo, but none of the ones before), you will need to sit somewhere that has a power socket, glaring at the woman who's sitting next to one and ... just reading a newspaper blissfully unaware of your distress. When you want to repaste your smokin' hot Haswell, you'll need to send it off and live with your tablet for 3 weeks. All this to save ? 10mm? $100 purchase price? If that's your sort of "change" then we are living in a golden age.

 

battery is interchangeable, just two screws and repaste is as easy as with other clevos, just that u cant exchange the cpu. but i agree in that a laptop like this DEFINITELY deserves a premium warranty package

 

How many games are actually bottlenecked by VRAM nowadays? Although if you're getting the higher-res screens, the additional VRAM would be nice... 8GB on the MXM is insane.

 

Prema basically already confirmed this, but yes the 17" version will have the same 3GB 970M and 4GB 980M.

 

Will you folks be getting the MXM versions of 970/980m for the new slim Sager?

Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk

 

It's slim because there is no MXM.

 

Bottlenecked? None. Limited in available/usable settings? Almost every single AAA title that (ironically) did not come out from EA since the new consoles launched.

Watch Dogs, Wolfenstein: TNO, Titanfall, CoD: Ghosts, Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor, The Evil Within, and many many more to come.

Also, read this for anything you need to know about vRAM The video RAM information guide - Graphics Cards - Linus Tech Tips (man I keep having to link/tell people to go here these days). Anything you can do on 1080p with a 2GB card you can likely do on 4K with same 2GB card, especially if fullscreened + no second monitor attached.

 

so 4gigs SHOULD be sufficient for the next few years... *crosses fingers*

edit: according to your guide NOT as it seems thanks for the link btw, very informative

 

Glad you got something out of it XD. And yes, the way devs are going, 4GB will become the minimum. I very much want 8GB 980Ms, but I want the full GM204 version that'll probably come out mid-next year with the same 8GB of memory much more than just 980Ms. I'm don't care how efficient it is, that they added the same core count/memory speed as the 780Ms but dropped ROP count for the 980Ms makes me annoyed. They could have made far beefier cards, but no, that'd compete with desktop hardware too much >_>. *sigh* I hate lack of competition.

Anyway, yeah. 4GB min vRAM count these days for gaming rigs. 8GB now is what 4GB was back in 2013 when I got this laptop: more than any game currently needs, but not overkill.

 

Of course usage is not always what's needed, games and GPUs can cache more aggressively. You would need a 4GB card and an identical 8GB card and find the point where the FPS is impacted. That's the point where more than 4GB of ram is required.

 

that sounds like u juuust voluntered for such a test, meaker

 

I would if I could

 

Feel free to provide me with a 980M 4GB slim Clevo and a 980M P170SM-A with the same levels of CPU and believe me I will test the living daylights out of them =D. Read my SLI guide and you'll see the level of testing I perform.

 

It was a rhetorical question. But yeah, looking forward to further reviews besides the DE Schenker one.

 

Seriously Can't you see that 4GDDR5 is a standard defined for most high end graphic card INCLUDING the 980 GTX desktop ? So what, are you going to judge the card because of one POORLY optimised game ? We're talking 1080p.

Even an open world game like Watch dog takes 3gig in Ultra 1080p
Worst of all ? You lower your details by a notch, 4x MSAA -> 2x MSAA. for future games.

You should all know that 4GDDR5 is absolutely HUGE, and A LOT can be done with that for developpers in the years to come : (Open world way more detailed than Skyrim if you want, witcher 3, Battlefront 3, Mirror Edge 2, BF Hardline, COD AW.)

The 8GDDR5 sold in some 980M and 880M is a commercial argument, developpers know that 90% of gamers do not possess more than 4gig.

If 4K is pushed and marketed by samsung or LG does that mean that 1080P is obsolete and that movies won't support that format anymore ?

 

notebookcheck.com will have their review up shortly, forum moderator said around 9pm german time (thats in about an hour) based on the results ill place an order with mysn/schenker, so better be ready mr. reseller!

 

That used to be also my reasoning but then what about MSI GS60 that has variants both with 3 GB and 6 GB VRAM GTX 970M?

Also Gigabyte P34W v3 has 6 GB VRAM version of GTX 970M and I think that one should be onboard too?

 

Well, 100°C for the CPU changed my order to a W504...well not going to complain ^^

 

well, the 980m chassis is gonna be thicker (29 vs. 25mm) and of course those 100C are with a crappy stock paste job i remember the p150hm review having similarly high temps even though i never had a problem with it during my 3.5 yrs of ownership ^^ i think thats definitely smth one can tune

 

4GB is not "plenty" or "huge". It is, as far as new AAA titles are concerned, "minimum for 1080p". It cannot be 3GB because that requires 192-bit or 384-bit memory buses which are not usually used by nVidia OR AMD anymore. 512-bit can't use 3GB or 6GB either; that's delegated to 2GB/4GB/8GB. The reason the 780s and 780Tis are 3GB (and 6GB for 780).

You are right that there is only one game that requires over 4GB to max its settings at 1080p... but what about above? Bethesda's The Evil Within needs 4GB to hit 1080p. Shadows of Mordor needs 3GB for "high" at 1080p, far less higher resolutions. What if you had a 1440p screen or higher for Evil Within? Also, you're talking about dropping SETTINGS due to lack of vRAM. I don't know about you, but I don't buy a flagship GPU or two to "lower settings" at 1080p/1440p. The mobile chips like 680M, 780M, 880M, 580M, 485M, 280M, etc have always had 2x the amount of vRAM offered by their desktop counterparts as far as I can remember.

280M was based off 9800GTX+. That card had 1GB as opposed to its desktop's 512GB. I was eternally happy, because it helped me turn up memory-dependent settings in games like GTA 4.
485M/580M was based off GTX 560Ti, which has 1GB, but the mobile chips have 2GB.
680M was based off of the 670 and came with 4GB flavours as opposed to the 670's 2GB.
780M was based off the 680 BEFORE 4GB versions or the 770 came out (if I am remembering the release dates correctly).
880M came out after 4GB 770s were out and as such had 8GB options.
860M kepler card was based off the 760 (though the memory bus was skewed to 128-bit) and came in 4GB flavours before the 4GB 760 was released.
870M was based off the 660Ti 3GB cards and had 6GB flavours.

It's a trend that has always been happening with nVidia. It's just now they're proving to be beneficial.

 

I suggest waiting for a user review to come out; HTWingNut will likely get one soon. Most reviewers don't use max fans or bother with great paste, which can make temperatures look higher than they should be.

 

I know that Mysn use mx2 thermal paste to replace the generic paste used.
And I do not think that a repaste would clearly change much, 100°C -> 96°C at best, not to mention the whole upper part of the barebone that is to quote many gs60 owners, a giant heatsink ^^ ! a W504 would have 8 Gig of Vram btw and changeable components. I'm convinced that broadwell processors will clearly allow us to use slim gaming computers without overheating them, right now haswell is clearly not designed for that. They're even talking about fanless I7 hybrid broadwell tablets , so I'm pretty confident for the near future!

So maybe my next laptop (end of 2016/2017) will be slim. But right now we're doing something new using something old. (talking of cpu)

 

nevertheless....ordered! im pretty confident i can keep those cpu temps in check. besides, one must be aware that those 100C were peak temps on one core after 60 min of furmark plus prime 95....

 

Link to translated review:

https://translate.google.com/transl...levo-P651SE-Notebook.127303.0.html&edit-text=

It looks to me that all of these thin and powerful notebooks were designed with Broadwell in mind. Not supertoasty Haswell.

 

Those fanless machines would be the ultra low voltage chips which basically could cool on open air anyway XD.

Also, MX-2 is awful. Awful. Arctic Ceramique and IC Diamond are LOADS better. http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/...i7-3770K/MasterChartforbare-dieTIMtesting.png (compare them to MX-4 which is superior to MX-2). If MX-2 is the baseline, then it can DEFINITELY drop loads. Far less if the heatsink is copper-based and one uses Liquid Ultra

 

I know of course, what i meant is that if broadwell uv i7 processors work fanless, it's quite a good news, we'll have processors that have a far less "hazardous" tdp in our slim laptops.

I always use ic7 what i meant is that the mx2 is better compared to the generic crap they use.

 

those fanless cpus wont really be worth crap when it comes to demanding work loads, thats basically all it means

 

Just because ultra low voltage chips work without fans (hint: haswell could do this too, and it HAS been done in the past with *AMD* mobile non-ULV-type CPUs of all things). Haswell was meant to be exceedingly power efficient, and improved on ivy Bridge with its instruction sets that nobody cared about. They raised the TDP by 2W (which I found was stupid for a power-improved processor) and then lo and behold, we get this.

Don't assume broadwell will be anything based on its ULV testing.

 

ULT Broadwell are not meant to be used alongside dGPU setups...we will have to wait for (hopefully) socketed versions (Q3 2015) for that.

 

Here is a video of few game benchmark tests run on GTX 970M version (rebrand as AFTERSHOCK S-15):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3hLohpZw1M

Some highlights:

- Crysis 3 on ultra at 1080p, without antialiasing at ~30 fps
- max GPU temperature after playing Crysis 3: 64 C
- max CPU temperature after playing Crysis 3: 75 C
- max front-side chassis temperature after playing Crysis 3: 39 C
- subjectively fan sounds really noisy, still can hear them over quite loud gameplay sound

Not clear which display test unit had, but seems right now they recommend 1080p version for sale, so I would guess it was that one (cf 4K version from NotebookCheck review):

https://www.aftershockpc.com/AFTERSHOCK%20S-15/

 

From what I've read recently it seems the release has been brought forward to early 2015.

 

oh uve gotta be kidding me, seriously? where did u read that? :-O

 

Multiple sources.