First look at the P650SE?

More like jun-sep.. Think they will go hard on that Core M. And i think Lenovo would sell quite alot of that new Yoga Pro 3, looks absolutely beautiful with that wristband "watch" Hinge. Someone should make a thread for that lenovo..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG4ViRjIR7E

 

Because people tend to get antsy without articles and what not...

Next-gen Intel NUCs expected in 2015 with Broadwell and Braswell processors - TechSpot

And that's how you get ants!

 

hmmm in that case it might be time to cancel my order hmmmm.....

edit: or not! geez, its getting stressful here now skylake is gonna follow just six months after broadwell, so like Q3 15, way too fast, intel! give us some time to upgrade and enjoy our hardware, cmon!

 

What i meant is that : ULV broadwell processors are COMPARED to haswell ones, fanless, I know that they're very different from our CPU+hd5x00 they still are at least as strong as haswell ulvs while being fanless.

If you can create a ULV CPU with technologies that allows it to run fanless, those same technologies (or manufacturing processes) can be used on our new broadwell CPU to reduce the heat produced right ?


We can thank tegra and smartphones for the 970/980m, they produced a SOC, the tegra K1 that is VERY strong and VERY safe (speaking of temperature), I'm convinced that the 970/980m were in part inspired by the design of tegra K1 built-in GPU. And now regarding intel we can thank hybrid computers and tablet (check the transformer T300 chi running on a broadwell protoype) for having efficient CPU (seapking of battery life/heat)


now for broadwell
if you read well, Q1 2015 = i3 and i5 ,
so my guess Q2 = i7
Q3/Q1 2016 = skylake

so yeah, I think that I will skip the "first" wave of new cpus, skylake might be interesting, but i'd rather wait for the TOC of the tic toc, to have finally a powerful iGPU/skylake-E combination for a slim form factor computer . The thing is, in the gaming laptop industry, if you want to sell your computer 2 years after you bought it you'll receive in the best case scenario between the half and a third of the price you paid in the first place and... that hurts, so the more you wait, the more you'll have to pay to replace your current laptop ^^, since the price are always between 1500/2000$ for new laptops. I see no point in waiting for years for a new CPU, the i7 in NO WAY bottlenecks the GPU so I absolutely do not care for a new one. But yeah for a slim form factor it is imperative to have a skylake in it.

 

I wouldn't cancel my order jaybee, highly doubt the Broadwell mainstream/enthusiasts cpu's would be available in consumer hands until March-April at the earliest. I have a feeling those will be demo'd at CES in 2015, then for sale in March, Skylake will be much later in the year if not into 2016. So you'll have a good 6 months to enjoy before either A.) realizing Broadwell wasn't worth the wait or B.) don't care if Broadwell was worth the wait, happy with what ya bought 6 months ago.

About the only benefit from Broadwell may be reduced TDP from die shrink, but all the good stuff will be in Skylake.

 

yep yep, no worries. im not one to easily fall into the buyer's remorse trap broadwell will indeed be only a small performance jump, if any. and skylake is indeed too far away to wait, so ill go ahead with my order and enjoy it for the next 3-4 yrs

 

I still don't get why people think that Broadwell won't do anything to help the unacceptably high temps of Haswell. Some are even saying Broadwell will be hotter because smaller surface.

I thought that when you shrink you get either a performance jump at same temp or same performance at lower temp...

With all these poorly optimized console ports popping up, I can easily see Haswell throttling before The Next Big Thing in hardware (or just frying itself into an early grave).

 

Precisely my thoughts too. I remember hearing a while ago that Broadwell could deliver up to 20% improvements in power and heat.

I don't think Broadwell is meant to be a performance jump. It'll allow Haswell to go smaller, which will allow for higher power parts in smaller packages with less cooling. So that we can get those fanless designs and handheld processors.

 

guys do you think because the cpu fan looks to be put in the wrong way up, the cpu temperature is that high? pic in question:

 

the wrong way up? what do u mean? that the airflow is directed to the side instead of the back like the gpu?

 

No I meant, the side of the cpu fan with the yellow sticker usually turn upwards towards the keyboard. The current bottom side has wider gaps for air intake like the gpu fans, which are mostly covered by the underside of keyboard. Now if we flip the cpu fan the wide intake side will be facing the bottom air vents.

 

aah i think i know what u mean.... hmmm.... it should still get sufficient airflow from the keyboard, seeing that about half or even more of the fan is still covered by the keyboard, dont u think? cant wait to investigate the cpu temp on my own P651SG

 

First Pic of the 17inch P670SE:
BLUEMOBILITY

 

interesting! so the 17" version really DOES support up to three M.2 hard drives, nice

 

That info is wrong. It's wifi plus two M.2 ssd. The P67xSx don't have 3G option either.

 

3 m.2 sata drives + a 2.5" 9mm drive slot + the screen real estate of a 17.3" model = very nice.

EDIT: Ah, Prema just went in my cornflakes... next will find out the 17.3" model isn't really 17.3"

 

Ha ha ha, I have another one for you:

Wanna know where extra thickness of P67xSx comes from?

Spoiler

The 17" screens are 2.5mm thicker.

 

prema ure cracking me up

 

Some more pictures of 17" at this norwegian site:

Multicom Kunshan P670S 17.3" Full-HD Matt, Intel Core i7-4710HQ, 8GB, 1TB 7200rpm, GeForce GTX 970M 3GB, Uten operativsystem / MULTICOM

1800$ for 17" 970m no ssd..

edit: Actually looks like the fan exhaust on the back is wider..

 

preorder for metabox here: Metabox P650SE with GTX 970M graphics - 15.6 inch - slimline laptop notebook
no option to chnage the processor from 4710HQ . anyone how these overclock ?

 

i7-4710HQ will only get +200MHz for a maximum 4-core overclock of 3.5GHz. For basic gaming, just fine. For someone like me if I lived in the US? NOPE.

 

that sucks. i was looking forward to a nice overclocked workstation :/. oh well, i'll wait for the p750ZM with desktop cpus then :./

 

does that +200 Mhz also apply for the 4870HQ?

 

I unfortunately do not know how the 48x0HQ overclock numbers are.

 

Crushinator 3000... HAHAHAHA!

 

47xx = +200
48xx = +400
49xx = +600
Extreme = unlocked

To max turbo speeds.

 

nice, good info

 

So the HQ and the MQ don't actually matter once the 47xx 48xx and 49xx are intact?

 

As far as i have seen both series behave the same way yes.

 

When will these models be available for pre-order in the US? I am really looking forward to the 17" model to replace my 370ET.

 

To quote Sager's post directly:

And finally the ETA:
NP8651 (P650SE): End of October ~ Early November
NP8652 (P650SG): end of November

For the 15 inch models, so the 17 inch is likely a bit later.

 

yep, according to schenker its gonna be around december for the 17" model

 

review is up. basically if you dont care about battery life. this is an awesome laptop.

Clevo P651SE (Schenker XMG P505) Barebones Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

 

Any other changes for the 980m version beside the slightly larger chassis?

 

180w instead of 150w psu

 

Another power phase for the GPU too.

 

Will the 180w psu be enough for it to overclock the 980m ?

 

To a certain degree, i suspect it will behave much like the 680M.

 

From the MSI GT72 with 980m so far at stock speeds, draw from the wall is about 170W peak. I would think this laptop would be comparable. Not much room for overclock, then again, it likely couldn't handle the heat for OC either.

Just a bit disappointed that the 970m is only 3GB and 980m is only 4GB.

 

Does this yield lower fps? Being only 3 and 4gb vs 6 and 8

 

Ok, so I just found out my budget is even tighter than I had previously imagined possible: a grand total, hard limit, of $1350.

I don't get to upgrade often (my current system is 6 years old, rocking a core 2 duo and a quadro fx 770m) so when I get the chance i need to make it count. I have to be able to do some serious software development, and do some moderate gaming, but the system also has to be travel-friendly (no 2-inch-thick 8lb-ers) - and oh yeah, has to stay at least slightly competitive for the next ~3-5 years!

So the question is - do I get the P650SE with no RAM, no SSD, no HDD, and no OS from Mythlogic for $1253 - $1264 (depending on if I throw in beer money and get the "free" tee shirt) and get 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 CAS 11 from Amazon for $74 for a grand total of $1337 (shipped), and reuse my own 750GB 7200RPM SATA 3GB/s HDD and OS, or do I try to find a slightly older but more balanced system, maybe with an 860m and 16GB RAM, maybe even with an SSD?

This has been a roller-coaster for me, from thinking I had $1700 available, to thinking maybe even $2100, to now knowing it's only $1350, so I'm really sorry for annoying everyone on this forum with my what-ifs and now-irrelevant questions.

 

If it has to last a long time, get the best core you can get, then in a year you can add the other bits as budget allows.

 

If you take a peek at the gaming section here, you can see that some newer games require 3GB for high settings, and 4GB-6GB for maximum/ultra. It's the unfortunate result of the new consoles construction (Xbox One, PS4). If you don't have that much video RAM, either you won't be able to set the higher settings or you will get stuttering during gaming as it swaps between system RAM and GPU RAM. Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor is a perfect example. I don't blame Clevo because up until a few months ago, even top end desktop GPU's have 3GB or 4GB max, and there was no need for more. There still isn't. It's just lazy programming by the devs when they cross platform from consoles to PC. But I would hope Clevo would make a change rather quickly and add more vRAM to these models. MSI and Gigabyte and Asus all offer the 6GB 970m and 8GB 980m.

I don't suspect all games will have this limitation, but going forward more and more will.

 

That's been my thinking as well, but there's a few 860m models out there that I find more attractive than the P650SE, such as the Acer Aspire V15 Nitro, which would get me a 256GB SSD + 1TB 7200RPM HDD and 16GB RAM for only $1300.

But then again, it's Kepler, and the 860m can't be upgraded later.

Not sure why I'm even thinking about this - ANYTHING would be better than what I have right now So what if I'm not using the P650SE to its full potential right away! Maybe I can get those upgrades for Christmas or something

 

The 970M is so much faster than the 860M that it will last as a gaming machine MUCH longer.

 

Dang I thought this would be the one 900 series with IPS screen but now I'm not so sure...vram thing is crap. I want the best bang for my buck and if I'm getting half the available ram on these cards I can't justify this purchase....

 

Yeah, that's kinda what swayed me - I think I would have regretted it if I'd settled for an 860m, even if it were sexier than the P650.

The order has been placed. Let's do this!

 

good thing im planning to use a 240w psu in any case

the vram thing will become an issue at SOME point in the future, but people shouldnt worry so much about it now...

 

How soon is "some point" we talking 1-2 years? If so I might as well get the GPUs with more vram now since I won't be purchasing for another 5 years... Kinda thinking I should get a model that supports user upgradeable GPU but I really like the form factor and that it is IPS screen... I am Torn if I should go ahead with this or go with the sager np8268 with the larger vram

 

well, u should think about how much gaming ure gonna do in the next 5 years. if its just once a month or so u shouldnt care so much about vram (like i am not, since i rarely ever game anymore, no time! ) if u KNOW ure gonna be gaming regularly for the next 5 years then go ahead and get the exchangeable gpu with double vram. point is: be honest with urself and try to judge ur usage realistically, especially when ure on a budget