First look at the P650SE?

I hope there's enough space in there for the heatsink...

 

if not, u can just stack up some thermal pads and a large copper shim but no worries, there will definitely be sufficient space for a flat copper gpu ram heatsink, im positive

 

Or maybe something like this?

Ultra Thin Aluminum Heatsink w/ 3M 8810 Adhesive - 17mm x 17mm x 2mm - Silver - FrozenCPU.com

or

Ultra Thin Low Profile - 22mm x 22m x 3mm - Anodized Gold

 

Holy christ I just read this review and one corner of the bottom heats up to 75.8°C.

Those temps are capable of causing immediate burns. I know Furmark+P95 is an unrealistic load but holy batballs did Clevo drop the ball on this one.

 

I said it already: The GPU has too much cooling and the CPU has too little. Especially with the way they made that fan blow out the side? It's not gonna be good for anything to the right. Me no like.

 

Part of me thinks something got lost in translation between nVidia and Clevo, or maybe Clevo was preparing for another 880M style disaster. Either way the GPU and CPU cooling solutions need to be switched. I don't think any amount of heatsink lapping or Liquid Ultra could save this machine at this point. :/

Or maybe I should order one and see for myself if it could double as a portable stove lol

 

Looks like they took the flashy gaming ultrastove route this time.

One important reason I use W230ST as my primary portable system is that it's a ture laptop and I can play Crysis with it on my lap if I want to. It's not gona happen this time.

 

playing on your lap guys you don't know how dangerous it can be in the long term whereas it's 50°C or 80°C. . always buy a notebook cooler stand in that case...

you can read the studies regarding that matter if you want .

Haswell can sterilize you ^^, (...and Maxwell is a fertility charm).

well a good ram heatsink is 4mm tall, so it will work on the PCH in the 25+4mm version that's for sure.

Haswell is ALWAYS damn hot ! deal with the fact that there is a demand regarding Slim gaming laptops, and that's how it works for those laptops.
Is the 980M (altrough 40% stronger than the 880M oven) is the problem ? absolutely not. BUT in 2014 intel failed to cope with that reality.

My GT60's 4700mq rose to 95°C after 10min of furmark+P95. Intel has done a horrific job regarding the thermal enveloppe of the haswell family.

Don't act surprised, the GS60, GS70, razer, ws230, and now the P651 that's how it is.

 

We're saying the problem could've been avoided if Clevo used dual fans for the CPU instead of the GPU. I understand there will be a 980M version of the P650SE (called P650S G I think) and that probably affected the design decision, but right now it's pretty obvious the CPU cooling is just woefully inadequate.

 

I wouldn't worry too much. First of all, most games are not primarily CPU intensive. Second of all, P95 is obviously a pretty unrealistic scenario and to be honest, I don't trust that stress test for any of my computers.

On my home desktop, I have a 4770K @ 4.4GHz @ 1.23v. During stress testing using OCCT my CPU can get up to 79-85c. However, during daily tasks and gaming it barely cracks 60c. In fact, my max today, after several hours of gaming on Steam, was only 50c. Obviously a desktop is going to have better cooling than a notebook, but my point is this notebook will be fine during gaming and even some CPU intensive programs.

 

so 4 fans ? The form factor doesn't allow it, they could've increased the diameter of the CPU fan that I agree, but they had to make a choice : dual fans for CPU or GPU ?

I'm not really worried about that because compared to the review :
1) The 980M chassis will be thicker (like you stated) : solid reasons to believe that both CPU and GPU heatsinks will be a little taller, plus the residual heat will be decreased thanks to the extra 4mm.
2) The smart choice is obviously the 4710HQ : lower frequency, lower temperature, plus the Igpu is smaller so that means less heat transferred from the Igpu die to the CPU die, the iris pro is quite big tbh.
3) They tested that with a factory paste job : with IC7 properly installed on the die, even extra °C won
4) P95+furmark / one hour is totally unrealistic

 

yeah exactly just make that copper for better heat transfer and u got urself a winner

im also not worried too much about the cpu heat tbh. the temp measurements during that review were done while the laptop was standing on its SIDE (choose the wrong side and the cpu fan is blowing onto the table so basically blocked). also, im not planning to play furmark and prime95 on that machine slap on some real thermal paste like icd7 or gc extreme, raise the back of the laptop and the temps will be more than fine! no worries whatsoever
and im planning to oc the crap outta my 4870hq, nothings gonna stop me

 

With 4 fans it would be trying to be a mini p570wm!

The gpu cooling is more important for games.

 

More fans = more noise anyways.

So it would be smarter to go for the weaker CPU to avoid higher temps, though, right? Shouldn't hinder the 970M or even 980M.

 

Yes but the MSI GS60 had even higher temps (78C): MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 3K Edition (2PEWi716SR21) Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

It's not just the Sager. And it's also unrealistic real-life scenarios with furmark. Would you say MSI dropped the ball too?

 

It's like others have said, if you want a thin gaming notebook, expect heat.

I think the price difference between the P651SE and P651SG is only going to be about $275-300. I was originally opting for the 970M version, but if the 980M version comes with a bigger cooling fan for the CPU as well, I will spend the extra money and get the P651SG.

 

They most definitely did, and people make fun of the GS60 for being a portable cooker.

Yes I understand the stress test is not a realistic load, but even if a realistic load "only" heats the bottom to 60C under load, that's still extremely uncomfortable, and will still lead to burns. I get that thin laptops will heat up (much) more, but that doesn't mean scorching temps under load should be acceptable. And if you can't obtain reasonable thermals with thin laptops that pack powerful hardware, then it just makes me question the value of "thin and light" laptops.

Anyway if I were to buy this machine I'd do these 3 things right off the bat:

1. Undervolt the CPU
2. Lap the CPU heatsink to a mirror finish
3. Apply Liquid Ultra paste

With some luck I may be able to shave 10C off the CPU.

 

How do you undervolt CPUs these days? I haven't undervolted since my Core 2 Duo so I'm not sure if programs to undervolt have really changed.

 

intel XTU or an unlocked system BIOS (commonly found via Prema for Clevo machines).

 

Had the clevo p170sm-a w/970m and 4810hq now for a few days. Probably going to return it and wait for xotic to have the P651SG w/980m. How much cooling and processor am I sacrificing for portability here?

 

There is no such thing as a i7-4810HQ. You must mean MQ.

I also believe you are better off keeping that P170SM-A or returning and buying one with a 980M instead. The P651SG with 980M will have less vRAM (3GB/4GB for 970M/980M as opposed to 6GB/8GB in socketed machines), cool less efficiently, have integrated CPU and GPU and you're not gaining a massive amount of portability.

Also the 4710HQ in the P651SG would be 3.3GHz default 4-core turbo boost with a max OC of 3.5GHz on 4 cores (which it will not hold easily according to HTWingNut's review) and the 4810MQ is 3.6GHz default with a max OC of 4GHz on all 4 cores.

 

Do we know if there's any type of refresh coming for the P170SM/P150SM? I have to admit, that thinness and updated shell are really making me lean towards it over the thicker, but better choice.

 

Havent seen anything official or unofficial. But they do like to make 17.3" versions of the 15.6" so possibly some day.

 

huh? which review? u talking about another laptop with the 4710hq inside it? havent seen a p65xsx review by him yet...

 

The GT72 review he did, I believe. The i7-4710HQ cannot run at 3.5GHz constantly. 3.4 works, 3.3 is fine, but 3.5 it runs out of power, regardless of XTU settings apparently. The chip is just poo for any kind of OC beyond its basic stuff.

 

well lets hope i can get the 4870hq oced to 38x on all cores should be sufficient to prevent any cpu-bottlenecking....

 

I doubt any of the full wattage quad cores will be able to bottlenecke a single 980M.

 

A faster CPU these days really is for those who are trying to power 120hz displays, there will only be one or two games going forward that will likely see much of a difference from 4710MQ to 4810MQ.

 

noob question: does overclocking 4870HQ to 4Ghz on all 4 cores , match the performance of a desktop 4790 (non K) at stock ?

 

Assuming the 4870HQ gets to 4GHz on 4 cores, it will be about 95% accurate. MOST instances it'll be the same, but anything that uses the extra 2MB L3 cache of the desktop CPUs will get a slight edge there. In that case, the 4980HQ is the most similar chip.

 

Thanks !!! 95% is good enough for a laptop under an inch which is lot more portable compared to a matx rig.

 

Uhh... you misunderstand. If the program does NOT benefit from the extra L3 cache, it should technically be a 100% match in performance. So 95% of the time, it'll be a perfect match.

 

just one problem: u wont be able to oc the 4870hq to 4ghz on all cores stock speed is 3.5 ghz on all cores, add to that 400 mhz ocability of 48xx cpus and u got urself a max. of 3.9ghz on all cores, 4.0 on 2 and 4.1 on one core

 

Thanks again, I asked because i plan to run a bunch on vms with sql server ,sharepoint , Tableau . I need all the cpu performance i can get. I dont plan to game at all on the machine.

I'm torn between ordering P650SE or waiting for P750ZM with the Desktop CPU.

 

Gah, I need to see some reviews of this thing! It's driving me crazy, lol.

I really really hope that battery is at least able to hit 3 hours of use on wifi web surfing maybe at 50% brightness!

 

Roll dramatic music...

 

its 9:21pm on the 5th already

 

It's 6:21AM on the 5th here... Go to bed and may be up by the time you wake up, lol.

 

ill be at work by then

 

11:30am here in UK

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

And I have to work too. And have parent teacher conferences this afternoon so it may not be until later tonight for me when I do post.

 

Are you back from school?? i just woke up, need to make coffee...

 

I can relate! I'm currently battling to make time for my P35X review. A few more hours of lectures to go...

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Done!(coffee ready) I really want to see the inside of your new laptop! I dreamt about it lol, it was some kind of new gass inside the pipes, and they where really good! lol

 

Need to find the right screwdriver to fit the one odd-screw-out of the bunch. Darn screws! Why can't one screwdriver fit all? I've got one with many tips - none fit this troublesome screw properly.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I've been following your posts in Gigabyte section. Lots of work isn't it!? Fun, but still life goes on...

 

It's like, no manufacturer can get everything right.. If the P65x had a 8 cell battery.. would be like the perfect laptop for me! Really looking forward for your look at it! And thank good it is you, we will get some actual good details:thumbsup:
Guess 4 cell batt ain't so bad.. Just worried about that cpu cooling! if possible, please do a repaste! and a real world scenario!:hi2:

Man am i zombie before i get my coffee!

It's a big conspiracy!

I got a good screwdriver!

Is the odd one a security torx?

And i am so extremely grateful for both you guys! @HTWingNut @Cakefish !! You guys making time for reviews doing tests!

 

So are you saying that no one will be able to offer the JX02? How would a manufacturer implement a cell only panel, would they have to construct the individual panel components themselves?

This is the panel on the ASUS NX500 and GX500 prototype so it's obviously possible.

 

Here is the first impression video by HTWingNut

 

what are you talking about, it's a complete panel