GTX 470M Benchmarks (SAGER NP8690 / Clevo W860CU)

WRONG ! From the performance point of view it is superior.
From the design point of view it is inferior as it is a dumbed down version, with deactivated/non working parts cut down.

 

I understand what you're saying, it just doesn't really affect anything. At the design level the 470m still has more throughput than the 460m. Whether they disabled some pipelines and features doesn't matter at all if it still out-performs.

By the same logic, a 8600M GT is superior to a 8800M GTS because the 8600GT is a "true" G84 and the 8800M is a "dumbed down" G92.

 

I agree. There is no way that the 470m is inferior to the 460m just because it is a dumbed down version. Thats like saying my VW Polo with a true VW engine is more powerful than a Audi R8 with a dumbed down Lamborghini engine. That argument is plain stupid.

 

I fired up my existing W860CU with 720QM and GTX 280M (75w TDP) to test its performance while plugged in and on battery, and have obtained the following clock speeds:

MAX MAINS
Core: 583
Memory: 950
Shader: 1450

IDLE MAINS
Core: 200
Memory: 119 (useage 51mb)
Shader: 400

IDLE BATTERY
Core: 200
Memory: 119 (useage ~54mb)
Shader: 400

GAMING BATTERY
Core: 200
Memory: 119 (useage up to 1.3GB)
Shader: 400

YOUTUBE BATTERY
Core: 383.3
Memory: 300.9 (useage ~106mb)
Shader: 766.7

CRYSIS: running on battery power was abysmal... 1-3 FPS at best as opposed to the usual 20-25 i have in "very high".

FEAR: runs at approx. 10-15 FPS as opposed to well over 100 when running on mains.

YOUTUBE: Full screen 720p flash video also struggled a little but was watchable.

I was not aware of this myself as i have not attempted to play games on battery before
The battery supplied with the W860CU is described as Li-on 3800mAh 42.18WH. This is the same battery that is used in the W870CU and W880CU models which run 470M and 480M GPUs respectively; i can only assume that this battery is not powerful enough to run the laptops GPU at high clocks either afely, stabally, or at all. The X8100 and X7200 models do however run 68.82WH and 78.44WH batteries respectively.

I don't really know what to say, but to be honest with you i didn't really expect anything else.

The level of performance experienced while gaming on battery is similar to when the "M" touchkey is activated on the W860CU to automatically downclock the GPU to save power. I cannot for the life of me remember if gaming was possible while running on battery power when i tested it 9 months ago

Has anyone else experienced this, or is it quite normal?

@JohnnyFlash Your lovely W870CU should have a higher power draw than my W860CU while running the same battery; Are you able to game well while running from battery power?

Thanks for the help

-Zal

 

Chopped down GF104 is still > Full GF106.

The only superiority the 460M holds is in the price to performance ratio.

EDIT: You guys can turn off Powermizer.

Windows key + r, regedit -> find PowerMizer Enable and PerfLevelSrc. Change the former to 0 and the latter to 2222. Done.

 

Thank you very much for the reply Kevin Jack

Will changing the PowerMizer registry endanger the notebook in any way? IE could running the system from battery power with these settings damage the notebook components or battery?

 

Indeed, my laptop will shut off if I try to play a taxing game at stock clocks on battery.

 

Wow. Never expected the GTX 470M to be that much faster than the GTX 480M (and consequently the ATi 5870). Now I see why they waited so long to put the 470M on sales (obviously to clear out the GTX 480M inventory).

Just be lucky that nVidia didn't call this the 485M to give them an excuse to charge even higher for these cards.

That being said, who wants to buy a pair of these when they come out for the X7200 and try them in an M17x?

 

If my M17X doesn't sell fast, I might give it a shot

 

What the heck is this Powermizer? I always see this whenever I edit with the startups.

 

@Aikimox
Did you become a retailer last night? lol

 

Clevo cards have powerplay disabled, so I just control the card with desktop shortcuts. Gaming on battery isn't a good idea though; even if it wasn't dangerous for the battery, I'd get 10 minutes at best.

 

Very close Our services are already available. The irony is, we became a Clevo/Sager reseller faster than our webmasters could finish building a proper website. There's a couple of weeks out of sync. :confused2:

 

I take it you have discounts for starting business? ;D

 

Powermizer is Nvidia's software, which downclocks your GPU when it's sitting idle or while running from battery power.

 

Sure, we have discounts on all models. PM/Email/call for details

Yup, just like AMD's PowerPlay. In most cases, disabling it will greatly shorten the battery life and put extra stress on the fans. But in certain scenarios it can help if stuttering/DPCLatency is present.

 

Congrats on becoming Clevo/Sager Reseller
finally there's One more company selling Sager in Canada.

 

I see, I'm not sure if it's working right now since I have 261 Desktop driver installed. I can't even control the brightness level after I installed the driver.

 

To find out, look at GPU-Z's Sensors tab, while your machine is at idle; if the clocks never go lower than max, Powermizer is off.

 

Thank You!

Have you tried changing the brightness through Power Options or nVidia Control Panel?

 

Well, i had to go back to the Sager 259.39 driver to get back the brightness control function. So, this means that we need to get drivers from Sager, or is there a way that we can use any driver and somehow enable brightness control?

 

Thanks to tech17 for the benchmarks and being the guinea pig trying the GTX470M so us less beings can make better purchase decisions. much love

However there are still only so few GTX470M benchmarks out there so has anyone done a side-by-side type comparison for GTX470M vs 5870M vs GTX480M? I am wondering because most available benchmarks out there for 5870M is done on stock cpu i7-740M while tech17's benchmarks of GTX470M is a 940XM which is quite a bit more powerful and could skew the result.

I am looking at buying a new laptop and a big factor is the video card. If I am paying extra hard earned cash for extra performance I want to make sure it is worth it. So how much better is GTX470M compared to 5870M? I can't find anything that compares the two and I thought I am pretty good at googling.

 

i ran the FFXIV benchmark before, my friend has the asus g73jh with ati 5870m.

on that one, he got 1900ish points, on my 8690 with gtx 470m i got 2153 points.

he has i7-720, i have i7-740, the cpu ain't that different.

 

Well a good comparison is a 3dmark vantage GPU only score which gives a good representation of your graphics card without much cpu interference. The 5870 overclocked will reach up to 10k gpu marks some here have been able to clock it to the extreme and hit around 10500 (check the alienware forums). The 470m will comfortably hit that if you know what your doing and then some. It is quicker especially in DX11 games which are around the corner so it is good future proofing.

 

Really an awesome card. The problem remains Nvidia's price policy. GTX 460M SLi actually delivers great performance for its price, but dual GPU solution laptop are only a small part of the market. GTX 470M will kick in SLi... a 576 shader Nvidia card ... if you OC it your basically carrying a GTX 480 around. Still, AMD is not going to sit by idle of course.

 

Thanks a LOT Bro, YOU HIT THE SPOT, this question has been wondering for too long without a proper answer, and thanks to the dude below you it got a LOT clearer, i already ordered mine with the 470m GTX since its really the flagship of nvidia, and belive me i know (hint: old nvidia user xD)
anyway IMHO the 8690 will dominate for a long time since its the most powerful 15.6 notebook and there is no "real" competitors and the 470m GTX is really the strongest at the market even more than the 480m GTX (not sure about whose OCable though).
so my advise go for it ^_^, btw mine is in phase 2 and has been there for 4 days and by the end of this week or probably the next week will be shiped.
there will be way more benchmarks and videos by me ^_^

 

Neol you brave soul. I salute you for pulling the trigger on the 8690. All this research and comparing is just a quest for confirmation that we made the right choice so we can sleep at night... actually we will probably just stay up all night gaming but whatever

I am not as brave as you, so I will wait for your bench and videos. You my friend, if you don't mind, are now known as guinea pig #2

 

well, shall i be guinea pig #3 then?

quit worrying, the NP8690 is one of the most future-proof laptops out there, it has nice GPU, quad core i7, usb 3, blah blah blah.......

 

@ICCUP: heheheheh they always said a fool and his money always apart soon xD, but i wouldn't mind being a guinea Pig if it meant that i could game on Beasts like that ^_^, thats aside as ChronoBodi stated the NP8690 is one of the most future-proof laptops and here is why:
1-its a FREAKIN 15.6 inch gaming rig and thats really really AWESOME its like having a portable PS3 or do i dare to say PS4 with the new 470m GTX
2-Clevo keep the most selling chassis in their mind (upgrades and all) and never ditch a gold mine, and since SB is on the door steps i doubt that it wont be supported on the current chassis.
3-that most fabulous element in the notebook the 470m GTX is the most future-proof part and the most important one, with the tessellation and that endless city demo oh im dying here, nvidia is really doing a hell of a job (except for the price tag or course oh and the rebadge rebrand thing xD)
anyway those were enough to convince me , dont know about you though
but i tried to compare between the 480m,470m,285m and the 5870m(or whatever they call it ) anyway i got out with those results i hope it helps you choose better:
1-470m (got more optimization and work better with games and gives better FPS than the 480m).
2-480m (its like raw unoptimized ver of the 470 with a lot of resources and power that is wasted because of bad CPU architect and software support, and those result in the 480m being a portable Oven as rumered about it xD).
3-the 5870m (its really a good card but not sooo future proof since tessellation is kind of F#$%ed up in it and it seems like the future of gaming is in it, and it doesn't really pack much power like the 480m, or the 470m, but it has a hell of price tag ^_^ love you ATI)
4-285m (it kind of got the last place because it doesn't have enough power and demand a hell of price for it and does not even support tessellation and DX11).
so i toke my time researching before buying this notebook , sorry if i wrote too much but i would love to share what i got , btw i know A LOT of people would disagree with me so all of this is IMHO

 

I think you broke it down pretty well! We both know we are paying a premium for the GTX470M in hopes that it is better than 5870M. If we look at bang for the buck alone I don't think 470M can beat 5870M (or not even 460M). So I think I do need to stop worrying since at this point I care more about absolute performance more than relative pricing. So looks like GTX470M is for me.

Now we have biten the bullet on the video card. I also think part of the premium we are paying for is for Build Quality & Cooling. so...

@ tech17 and anyone else who has one: How are the temps? and noise?

One last point Neol, looking at the time of your post, dude you are either an early riser or late night gamer. Either of which demands respect.

 

Guineapig #4 reporting in.

Mine should be arriving on Monday Benchmarks inc

 

Would one of you guys run the Lost Planet 2 benchmark for me?

 

@ICCUP: LOL actually i moved to DUBAI since a while and the time difference is like 8 hours from the states, so its like evening here xDDD yet im a hardcore gamer and usually staying until 6 am is normal here ^_^

 

Ok guys, I decided to pull the trigger. Like you guys said, waiting for the next generation is a never ending game.

 

Congrats! Now you owe us benchmarks.

 

hehehehe welcome to the guinea pig club: agent 47 (or #6 xD)
anyway sorry to tell you this but i think you will pay for your hesitation now xDDD
check this out:

hard luck bro Patience is a virtue so keep it up
BTW im not even sure if i got away from it or not but i certainly hopes so

 

I really did think patience is a good thing! In any case, if I remember correctly, yours was in phase 2 since like the beginning of time so I don't think this delay would apply to you.

On the other hand, I will patiently wait for the benchmarks from guinea pigs #1-5

 

Already tried that. The brightness only changes before the Loading Windows screen when you boot up the laptop. I went back to the mobile 260.99 and the brightness works again but the performance on Starcraft 2 is horrible.

 

hehehehhehe well played sir
guinea pig #2 is reporting for duty ^_^ oh and i already have TONS of games my friends bought me as gift for the new comp & i bought some to complete the missing pieces ^_^ so dont worry about benchmarkings at allll

 

Good man! On the other hand! Monday is around the cornor and I believe some individual owes us some benchmarks..... Someone whose name starts with "Zal" and end with "gradis" I believe....

 

It is the "full" GF104 that I'm hoping we see as a 580M or 485M depending on how they decide to go.

 

I received my NP8690 from Sager a few days ago. Time from order to shipping was 2 days. My question is, why is there no 470M driver support on the Nvidia site? It lists every other 4xxM card as supported by the 260.99 driver, but not the 470M, which is in the same family. I'm using the Sager driver right now, but it's certainly older than the 260.99. On a related note, I have been playing Battlefield Bad Company 2 since I got this new rig and with everything maxed out it's completely fluid. Not bad for a laptop.

Regards to you all.

 

Glad to hear youre enjoying it fvultee

Mine most likely won't arrive today, i may be looking at a delay of up to two weeks.

Edit: In the mean time please let me know via PM what sort of benchmarks you would like to see. I'll post 3dmark06 and vantage as well as crysis / resident evil 5, but if you have any other requests please let me know.

 

I am, and you will too! I noticed this morning that my power supply (aka the Brick) is ticking, almost sounds like one of those old mechanical wall clocks, anyone else notice that?

 

WOW, com'n guys really ??? 2 days and your notebook got sent ??? mine has been in phase 2 for 8 days (2days holiday) and still counting T_T
why am i waiting this long, is there something wrong ???? i asked the agent i talked to (Brett) he said that sager usually takes full 7 working days which is now appearently wrong, anybody has any info to share is trully appreciated
btw fvultee what are the specs of you laptop ?

 

Guys 3dmark 11 is almost out take a look at some of the demo stuff on youtube, it will blow your mind

 

hello guys, whitch upload photo booard 470m gtx hi res? i would to install in my msi for replace 5870m ati

 

Ordered 11/11/10, shipped 11/12/10. Perhaps you have something in your config that's backordered. Specs:

Display 15.6" Full HD LED Display with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1080)
Video & Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTX 470M GPU with 1.5GB GDDR5 Video Memory
CPU Processor Intel® Core™ i7-740QM Processor ( 45nm, 6MB L3 Cache, 1.73GHz)
Thermal Compound IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
Operating System Genuine MS Windows® 7 Home Premium 32/64-Bit Edition ( 64-Bit Preloaded )
Memory 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 2 X 4GB
Primary Hard Disk Drive 500GB 7200rpm SATA Hybrid Hard Drive with 4GB SSD [$95.00]
Optical Drive 8X DVD±R/RW/4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Wireless Network Card Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
Bluetooth Internal Bluetooth V2.1 Module
Primary Battery Smart Li-Polymer Battery Pack
Integrated Security Device Fingerprint Reader
Microsoft Office New! Microsoft Office Starter 2010 - Included in Price
Warranty Sager 3 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty [$149.00]

 

im exactly the same as you except for one thing the Blue-ray drive, which i dont think it will delay it that much ??

 

btw dude didn't sager have some sort of 3 days testing and QA ?? why didnt they do that for you ?