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    GTX 480M 2GB GDDR5 DX11 PhysX 100W GPU?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by AndrewKW, May 1, 2010.

  1. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Nah, I doubt there's gonna be more than 5-10% gain over 5870. A single 5870 benches close to a desktop 5770 (slightly underclocked), 2x5870 ~ single desktop 5870. A single 480M is only 100W, we'll be lucky to see a desktop 430 performance. Even with added memory 192-bit and GDDR5 it won't make 5870 blush.
     
  2. Daniel Hahn

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    Yeah, but due to the architecture ATI cards will always have more theoretical performance. Real life gaming is another story. The GTX 480M should be 20% faster in games, especially in dx11. But we'll see. I'll send questions out to mySN tonight and hope they are going to answer tomorrow without evading my questions.
     
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    ^^^
    So in a nutshell, spend the maximum money for the littlest gain. Same BS. Different architecture.

    Yup. Makes absolute sense.
     
  4. Donald@Paladin44

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    It is 256bit..

    The nVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M 256bit 2GB GDDR5 will be offered for pre-sale on the Sager NP9280 later today now that the nVIDIA Non-Disclosure Agreement has lifted.
     
  5. Tom Royls

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    Spezifikationen Nvidia GeForce GTX 480M:

    Graphics Clock – 425 MHz
    Processor Clock – 850 MHz
    Memory Clock – 1200 MHz

    Memory Configuration – GDDR5
    Memory Interface Width – 256 Bit
    Memory Bandwidth – 76,8 GB/sec.

    CUDA Cores – 352
    Gigaflops – 897

    SLI - 2 Way


    http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-480m-us.html


    I hope that I can buy it soon to upgrad my D900F. :)
     
  6. Eivind

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    Nvidia has updatet their website with GTX 480M!!

    That looks pretty good actually, clocks looks low though.
     
  7. Blacky

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    Well, looks like my predictions were way off arguing for a 224 shader core @ 500/1000 Mhz. However, in terms of performance the card looks to be about 50% faster then the 285M which puts it actually very close to my predicted performance. Mobile Fermi may be after all somewhat competitive with ATI.
     
  8. Eivind

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    Paying 750Dollars extra compared to GTX 285M here in Norway, makes you wonder if its worth it.
     
  9. Kevin

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    352 Cores?!

    HOLY......
     
  10. yotano211

    yotano211 Notebook Evangelist

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    The shader count is alot more then I thought. I was thinking around 240-260 range not 352. But the core clock seems very low at 425, I bet this new card will overclock like crazy. I can see were the 100watts is being used.
     
  11. MrDJ

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  12. Kevin

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    So they took it from the GTX 465? Shocking.

    I was dead wrong with my predictions.
     
  13. Quicklite

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    Ooh La La!!! that's unexpected shader count!

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Kevin

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    I found a GPU-z for the reference card, the GTX 465:

    [​IMG]

    GTX 480M:

    [​IMG]

    So the downclock isn't that severe.


    EDIT: GTX 465 benchmarks. Wow, GG Mobility 5870.
     
  15. ARGH

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    the specs appear better than expected but the clocks dissapoint. it is 30% slower than the gtx465 desktop card. looks like the performance of this will depend on which reseller provides the biggest power supply to ensure a good 20% overclock.
     
  16. yotano211

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    yea this thing is going to be a beast in the mobile world, but when is the cheaper versions comings out.
     
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    which clevo laptops will support it?
     
  18. yotano211

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    right now it appears just the 17+inchers support it.

    I am going thru some numbers from the the desktop card vs other cards and the performace is not looking very good. Much slower then a Ati 5850 desktop version. The new card is about as fast as the GeForce GTX 275, maybe its the drivers. NOT LOOKING GOOD!!!
     
  19. Aikimox

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    Nah, looking at 465 benches I'm not impressed. 2xMR5870 ~ HD 5870. I doubt that 2x480M will be much stronger, but will definitely run hot as hell. The word "latency" also comes to mind ;)
     
  20. Tom Royls

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    Probably non.

    I have writen to my Suplyer. This was his awnser:
     
  21. Kevin

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    Xibitlabs.com has it on par with the GTX 275, sometimes matching or exceeding the 5850, but usually ~5-10fps slower at 1080p+. This is also on an old 197 series driver.

    Either way, if the 480M can reach stock 465 clocks, that's incredible performance. Should crush the 5870M.
     
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    that's very sad if it's true... :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  23. JamesSlade

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    Is that talking about upgrade or new chassis? Sager and Kobalt have already confirmed the 480M available in D900F and in a version of the W880CU......

    On performance - now it is up to ATi to catch up Nvidia and by a lot from the sounds of it :D
     
  24. yotano211

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    lol I was reading the same wedsite, I read that first now I am on Fudzilla, at least they have power and overclocking results. It will crush the 5870 but when is Ati coming out with their own 256bit card?, only time will tell.
     
  25. Quicklite

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    Think I remember somewhere that says, the NV actually scales very well .

    HEXUS.net - Review :: NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 480 finally unleashed. Reviewed and rated. : Page - 17/17

    Still is quite impressive non the less. No idea how long it would take NV to rebrand this generation though. :D

    [​IMG]

    When I woke up this morning, I had no idea I'd see something like this!
     
  26. kevindd992002

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    I thought it would be available to the W860CU as well :(
     
  27. Quicklite

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    Wait a while, maybe they will do a more power friendly revision. After the endless G92B rename, they could do it!
     
  28. anexanhume

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    I have to ask why on the 2 GB of GDDR5. If the reference has half of that, is that much RAM anything more than marketing?

    Looks like just the D900 and W870 for now.
     
  29. kevindd992002

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    How long would that "while" be approximately?
     
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    Maybe a 480Mulv (ultra low voltage) version
     
  31. Kevin

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    I haven't heard anything, but there's sure to be a lower range of Mobile Fermi chips, probably when the GTS 400s come out in a few months.
     
  32. kevindd992002

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    And those supposedly will beat the 285M and will be in par with the 5870?
     
  33. Quicklite

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    LOL...

    When they could pack all these, and reaches 60W, I'll bite. :D

    I thought in games, even the latest 5870 MR is just on par with Nvidia's 285M - give or take, NV does pretty have good driver support.

    If,

    480M ≤ 285M GTXs in SLI
    285M ≤ 5870

    Then would:

    480M ≤ 5870s in CF?

    Looking at the shader count, that's nearly twice of 285M. Assume you could up the core a bit, maybe a single GTX 480m could offer nearly 285M sli performance?

    The thing is, having 2 GPU in a laptop even until now is still too bulky imo. If there is this card offering great single card performance, no SLi/CF scaling issue, I don't mind it!
     
  34. yotano211

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    well maybe in the next revision of this core the GF 104 due out later this year will the power come down. Even the desktop version is running very hot, around the same temp. of the GTX 470 and GTX 480.

    Just think what a dual headed beast in SLI produce in terms of heat, your going to have a medium yield nuclear warhead running in your house and need one just to power it.
     
  35. Kevin

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    Nearly twice? More like nearly thrice. Well it's approximately 2.54x the shader count.

    I totally agree with you. The sooner we get extremely powerful single GPU notebooks, the better. This thing may be revolutionary, if it can perform on the level of the 465, overclocked.

    I was expecting Nvidia to disappoint, but it looks like they hit a home run. I'm still in shock at that shader count.

    New mobile tech is so exciting.
     
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    At what cost though? Is a 100W TDP for a consumer mobile GPU acceptable? Will ATI up their TDPs to compete?
     
  37. yotano211

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    And just think I am still gaming on a Sager 2090 with 32 cores since my true gaming laptop with a 8800m GTS is not working anymore.
     
  38. Kevin

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    To first answer you question:

    As I said when we were still in the pages of speculation, I can accept the 100W figure, if Nvidia delivers a GPU which utilizes it and delivers performance deserving of such a TDP. On paper, it looks like they've done just that. If they had delivered a 100W chip which could barely edge out the Mob. 5870, then it would be unacceptable.

    Will ATI counter with its own 100W part? Now that the ceiling has been raised, I would expect no less. It probably won't be until the 6000 series though, in Q4 or Q1 of next year.

    Now, on the technical side, I quote Notebookcheck:
    Therefore, by itself, the 480M is not 100W. It's definitely north of 75W though.
    Come, join us in the heavens.
     
  39. Quicklite

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    Oh dear... my math fail I thought this had 252.. not 352. :eek:

    At least now we know that NV's been doing on something monstrous, not just stuck with those annoying small rebrands jobs.
     
  40. yotano211

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    Come, join us in the heavens.[/QUOTE]

    Sure why not, let me sell my kidney and eyes first just then I can also afford that nuclear reactor to power this, lol.
     
  41. anexanhume

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    I was referring more to the impact of higher TDPs on notebook design. It won't help them get any thinner, which people always prefer. However, many performance-oriented individuals are willing to ignore physical size. That's why I'm asking if it is good/bad :D
     
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    There's something odd about the benchmark in the preview for the GTX 265.
    465 have ~150% cores compared to 275. The two's clocks are slightly different but not much. Yet, 275 manage to be on par with 465 in Warhead, RE5 and ME2. I just don't get it.
     
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    Remember in the benchmarks that drivers are not heavily optimized for the 4xx family yet. That won't make night and day differences, but bear it in mind.
     
  44. Kevin

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    The GTX 275 is also 448-bit.
    I see.

    Well, the fact that the 480M is coming to Clevo's existing machine is a good sign, as it isn't forcing machines to grow larger.
     
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    And so (financially) painful...oh why am I cursed with a love for the bleeding edge....
     
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    how about the 480 coming to the D900F ???

    will it ever happen ???

    :confused:
     
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    It has allready. Well, some time in June, it will.
     
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    what about w860cu?
     
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    Highly unlikely.
     
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    why?because of the 100W?
     
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