Gtx 580m

The core is clocked 45mhz higher. It has different architecture which is more power efficient. We have to wait and see to know how much better the 580M is than the 485M.

 

how about in terms of upgrad potential? if I go with GTX 485m I could upgard right?

Can I upgrade the CPU? and if I do will it completley reset my Windows OS?

 

truth be told there probably wont be much of a difference between the gtx 485m and the gtx 580m. if you were already gonna get the 485 for when it was $495 then u might as well get the 580m but if you want to save money the 485m will still prove to be as good.

 

Isn't there a difference in the RAM supported by the 2630qm and the 2720qm?

 

yes according to intel the 2630 supports 1333Mhz and 1066Mhz, the 2720 and above support 1600Mhz 1333Mhz and 1066Mhz. although ive heard that by messing with the bios the 2630 can support 1600, as in the m14x, which for about a month only allowed for 1600Mhz ram. also you can use plug and play (PNP) ram to go above those frequencies.

 

Yeah, you could upgrade both, but honestly, will you or anyone else? Buy upgraded now if you think you might upgrade down the road. By the time you want to upgrade later, that stuff will be so dated. and new stuff won't be worth it; you'd be better off with a whole new laptop.

 

well on notebook check, when they did the review of the sheckner xmg 501(p150hm) they used basically the same thing that i have in my specs, and the review was only one month after the release of the 485m, which was how long it took them to get a hold of the card in a computer. they were using forceware 265.66, which i have heard wasn't a good driver at all, at least not comapared to 275.whatever.

 

according to Wikipedia "Ivy Bridge is the codename for the yet-to-be released 22 nm die shrink of Sandy Bridge. Ivy Bridge processors will be backward compatible with the Sandy Bridge platform.[5]
Expected Ivy Bridge feature improvements from Sandy Bridge:
Intel's tri-gate transistor technology[6]
PCI Express 3.0 support[7]
Graphics DirectX 11 and OpenCL 1.1 support."

so that means you could upgrade to one of those, which will be far superior, so yes save your money, get the 2630qm and get one of those since they will be compatible with the current sockets.

 

I remain skeptical about the ivy bridge upgrade path. Chip makers always paint rosy pictures about that before they pull out the rug (See the AM2+/AM3 as reference). If you think about it, why would they turn down the opportunity to sell you a new chipset along with your new processor?

 

okay thanks, how about upgrading the to intel wifi (is there any differance?) and does the 95% screen display games...and well everything better?

 

For the last time, Ivy Bridge will not be backwards compatible with any currently existing mobile chipset. This comes directly from Intel.

 

Then someone better update Wikipedia. I believe that Intel may have not made it compatible, but I guess I'd like to see a link to where Intel states that it will not be compatible. Seems desktops will have better chance, granted with some caveats on how the SB motherboard is currently configured. Second link shows that mobile chipsets are excluded from compatibility.

http://tech2.in.com/news/cpus/is-intel-making-ivy-bridge-backwards-compatible/194222/0

" In what has been the most welcome news from Intel’s camp for a while now, they’ve apparently announced that the upcoming generation of 22nm processors, codenamed Ivy Bridge, will be backwards compatible with the Socket 1155 motherboards that the current Sandy Bridge processors use. AMD have been doing this with their processors for a while now, where nearly all of their recent CPUs are compatible with the AM3 socket. With Intel now using three sockets, 1366, 1156 and 1155, people were fearing yet another shift when Ivy Bridge comes around. Thankfully, Intel seem to have gotten the message now.

The Ivy Bridge processors, while reducing the process size to 22nm, will still have the same chipset size and amount of pins, so they will be compatible with the existing motherboards. Intel will, however, bring out Panther Point chipsets to complement the Ivy Bridge Generation. The good thing is the fact that they’ll be based built around the same socket.

Ivy Bridge promises a whole host of power-saving and will probably feature DirectX 11 support. Yes, finally. It’s expected to be unveiled at Computex Taipei, and release very early next year."


As of May 27, 2011: http://motherboardnews.com/2011/05/27/ivy-bridges-backwards-compatibility-explained/

" As soon as Intel launched their Sandy Bridge platform the rumours revolving around Intel’s Ivy Bridge CPUs and 7-series chipsets commenced. With recent news that Ivy Bridge will be delayed until Q2 of 2012 more enthusiasts are wondering if waiting is worth it. Well, as we have written before, Ivy Bridge CPUs will use Intel’s LGA 1155 (the same as Sandy Bridge) and be backwards compatible with certain existing 6-series chipsets, so most current systems will be compatible with Ivy Bridge CPUs.

According to an article over at the Chinese hardware site, My Drivers, both a firmware and BIOS update will be required in order to ensure that your motherboard will be able to use a new Ivy Bridge CPU. Unfortunately, only the H61, H67, P67 and Z68 chipsets will be “Ivy Bridge-upgradable” with the Q65, Q67 and B65 chipsets being left behind (UPDATE: HM67, HM65, UM67, QS67, QM67 chipsets are also reportedly excluded from the update). However, it is important to note that, according to My Drivers, your motherboard must be equipped with the ME8 (management engine) firmware, which cannot be upgrade by the user. We are a little unclear on this requirement, but we suspect it has to do with Intel’s Active Management Technology and that most boards are already equipped.

Even though an upgraded firmware and BIOS will allow most users to be compatible with Ivy Bridge CPUs, those users will still be lacking much of what Intel’s 7-series chipsets bring to the table such as native USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0, but should be able to take advantage of Ivy Bridge’s much more powerful DX11 graphics."

 

it would make sense for them to make it compatible, because more people would buy the chips, because intel may design the the chipset, but the ones who make a lot of profit are the companies who manufacture them.

 

How come there's no reliable gaming benchmarks out yet?

 

Even *if* it's backwards compatible, that does not, under any circumstances mean that it will work in your laptop. If clevo releases new models for Ivy bridge, you won't have BIOS updates to even install the Ivy bridge CPUs.

 

weeell, one could always hack an existing BIOS, manually add the microcodes required for the new CPUs and off u go thats how i did it with my "ye oldee" Asus C90S when upgrading from C2D E6600 to C2D E7400

cheers

 

question: if the 485m and the 580m are the same architecture aren't the drivers already optimized for the chip, and that if the drivers improve, the drivers for 485m will also improve its performance.

 

Pretty sure they are different architecture

 

what im saying is its not like the difference between the 480m and 485m

 

True but clock for clock virtually the same performance... so far anyway, but I dont hold much hope for a magic 580m driver to make this baby fly

 

So... wanna do that with my D900F BIOS to let me use a GTX 485M instead of my 280M? =).

That just leaves me to find a 485M, and a heatsink. Cheaper to get a 485M than a P170HM though =D

 

Not arguing that, the main difference is supposedly power consumption. Not knocking the 485m at all, Im probably about to buy a laptop with one considering the price drop.

 

Same architecture with improved interconnects and transistor layout.

In other words Fermi with better feng shui.

 

so its just more efficient not more powerful per mhz and therefore only about 7.8% increase in mhz so its not really that much of an improvement and certainly not worth 200 more than the 485m

 

Well better feng shui will bring more luck they say ...

So your graphic cards might last longer

 

A question for those who were under ordering notebooks with GTX 485M : So the card price dropped by $200, but does the basic price remained unchanged? I mean, by building the notebook with 485M and all other configurations exactly the same, before and after the price drop announcement, is there a $200 difference? I'm asking because I want to know what was the real drop in the 485M price. RJtech still sell it for $750, do you think it will be sold for $550?

 

Yes. I monitored it because I was going to sell my NP8170, and after the price drop the total price of the machine dropped about $200.

 

yes i had hoped that the price would drop so i could get the 485m instead of the 560m for only 300 more instead of 500, because i knew the difference in performance between the 485m and 580m would be minimal.

 

Because resellers want you to spend the extra $200, and showing its minimal performance gain may discourage that?

 

This is really strange; Although the 485M price drooped by $200, it's still $500 more expensive than the 560M!! This means that it was $700 more expensive than the 560M?! If so, then seeing that RJ Tech was selling the 485M for $750 means that the price of 560M is $50 !!! There is really something missing here

 

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I think you misread, I'll reiterate: there's 3 upgrade options for upgrading the graphics in the p150hm:
560m + $0
485m + $295
580 + $495
Before Tuesday the 485m was a $495 dollar upgrade.
They(malibal, xoticpc) are giving you the 560m for around $400, based on the assumption that the 580m is $900(just the card not the upgrade). So then by that assumption they are now giving you the 485m for $700 alone, not as an upgrade.

Hope this cleared things up

 

Here are some tests of the GTX 580M
Nvidia GTX 580M im Test Nvidias Geforce GTX 580M im Vergleich auf notebookjournal.de

 

Stalker, 17fps more.



Far Cry 2, 20fps more.

hot damn.

 

It even beats 6970Ms in crossfire in some benchmarks. Well look at that. I can't wait to see when some good drivers pop out for this thing.

 

Eh, something seems off. A 45MHz core increase should not produce such a gap in performance.

I'd like to know how old the 6970M/485M tests are, and what drivers were in play.

 

they were using an ssd and that beta driver, which i haven't seen any benchmarks with the 485m using that so its not really comparable, and in black ops on ultra setting the 485m was better

 

Those could very well already be the good drivers. Like Kevin said something appears to be off.

 

We remember the 470M vs 480M, yes? The core makes a difference, even if the clocks are close together.

Also, it could be game-to-game. Some games the crossfire 6970M cards murder the single 580M, and in others they're shut down with a resounding K.O. from a disembodied announcer. Fact is, end-all decision, it's THE most powerful mobile card on the market, and it's still going to get better with drivers. The benchies using 270.61 versus the un-released beta 280.xx drivers nVidia used for their in-house testing were quite different, and in some cases, the newer drivers were worse. When it's out and stabilized, we'll see some good feedback on it to make the best decisions about worth and whatnot.

And I remember someone also saying the newer cores are built more optimally for tesselation? Without direct raw power increasing, it could improve game performance just by being better able to produce a certain graphical type.

 

If that is the case, how come it cost $400 to upgrade to the 485m with the NP8170? The NP8150 only cost $295, what is the reasoning behind this? Anyone know?


I just want to add that what was said earlier sound fishy, both Mafia 2 and Dirt 2 that was benchmark on the supposedly new 580m was 2 to 5 fps less than the 485m on Ultra setting. I'll stick my gun to the 485m as I feel that the 580m won't be much better especially for the $200 dollars more price tag unless it is actually a 10fps increase where some games can only be play on ultra setting on the 580m, then the 200 price increase would be worth it IMO.

 

did u guys notice that the cpu is actually throttling under stress with the 580m??? that never happened with the 485m, even with furmark and prime95 running at the same time. plus it has around 8% less battery life during load and uses 4 watts more in combination with the 2720qm compared to the 485m with the 2920xm! explain that especially after Nvidia`s claim of a more "efficient" GF114 core....

cheers

 

GTX 470M had very significant differences in arch compared to GTX 480M.....as well as much higher clocks. It doesn't explain what's going on with GTX 580M vs. GTX 485M in some of those games. Driver tweaks would though.

In desktops, it took GTX 560 TI 48 more cores, 8 more TMU, 147 more MHz on the core, and 294 more Mhz on the memory to get the same perf increase over the GTX 460 1GB that the GTX 580M is showing in some of the games in that reviews.

 

nope, look again. the 485m wasn't even tested with ultra. the 580m at ultra is 3fps slower than the 485m at only high.

 

The 470M had higher clocks, but a lot less cores. But on the drivers issue, what I meant was most benchies were done with the 270.61 drivers, but nVidia released benchies using unreleased, beta, 280.something drivers (I don't remember the last numbers). In some cases, the newer drivers did better, and in others, the older drivers ruled. It isn't that it's the "same card with higher clocks", the core is different, even if ever so slightly, so drivers will have differing performances on them. Plus, again, as I said, the GF11x cores are apparently more suited to doing tesselation (and maybe some other things), and as such might produce better performance in certain games, even if downclocked straight back to the clocks of their predecessors.

 

Ahh, it's better understood now (but still)
Are you sure that the 485M was a $495 upgrade from a 560M not from the 460M? the 560M is also a new card.

 

glad you understand,
they just removed the 460m and replaced it with the 560m for the same price(logically they bought both the 460m and 560m at the same price), because they had plenty of notice of the release date of the 560m, and they knew they could keep the leftover 460m cards for warranty work.

 

Deviltech has added the GTX 580M in the config. +449€ from GTX 560M. GTX 485M used to be +439€ I think, now its +399€.
50€ difference, seems like a no-brainer?
Btw 1800€ with Win 7 Home Premium.

 

Ahhh, that explains all. There was not a $200 drop in 485M price, It was rather a $100 drop in 485M price plus $100 drop in the price of the notebook itself, which was compensated by the 460M to 560M switch (about $100 difference)
This leads to :
560M= $350-$400
485M= $650-$700
580M= $850-$900
More logic now !

 

The 8170 uses a different heatsink I believe.
Since it is bigger, they do different adjustments and it does make it cooler (since there is more air to flow)
At least, I think that's what I recall from speaking to a representative from xoticpc.
Might be something else?

 

m18x started configuration with 580m
will alianware oem version 580m use black pcb like 6970m