Gtx 580m

It really is just for marketing.
"Look, this laptop has a 555m with 3GB of VRAM! Must be better than the one with a 485m!"

 

That might be so, but desktop buyers know more than 1GB is rarely used save for multi-monitoring (eyefinity, for example), and nVidia's high-end marketing is tailored to people who buy things like Clevo/ASUS/MSI. Maybe Alienware might use one of those, but the prices on those things. People gotta know what they're looking for. I wouldn't really call it marketing as such.

 

No, it's true. A lot of people when they ask about my video card , they ask "how much vRAM does it have ?". They don't have knowledge of core performance, shaders, memory frequency and all that, so they just use the amount of vRAM as an indication for performance.

But using such marketing tricks for the high-end enthusiast sector, for me at least is insulting.

 

Well I'll be. And the high end desktop market usually uses a standard of 768MB or 1GB for the good stuff... even the SLI-in-one GTX 590 is 1.5GB only (2 x 768MB). AMD I'm not sure about though. I can do with 1.5GB however, as things like GTA IV can eat up GPU ram like nothing. My 280M's 1GB is laughed at by GTA IV. Even though it's just bad coding.

Weird they'd use it for laptops. Down here in Trinidad, if a laptop is big and isn't branded "Alienware" it's considered "old and useless", like how the 7-year old laptops were all huge for a little power. When they happen upon me playing Arkham Asylum maxed with PhysX though, they tend to stand in awe.

 

but one thing is true, if the game takes 2.5GB vram:
gtx580m 2gb normally cant run it(without turbocache or something), maybe black screen or stops responding
gtx560m 3gb can run, but maybe fps will like slide projector though

 

Hehe, no game takes that much though.
And what GTX 560M has 3GB??

 

The desktop 590 is 3 gb (2x1,5 GB)

 

Dual cards in sli config may need a larger vram for each.
Because two vrams store the same data.

In this case, 2GB+2GB=2GB.
That's why 485m SLI with 2GB vram each make sense.

 

*facepalm* I forgot that you don't add vram in SLI... that means he's half right, saying the 590 has 1.5GB per card basically. But it still comes back to the point I made, why make it so high? The 485M in SLI having high memory configs is good, yes, but why not make the 460M/560M 1GB and the 485M 1.5? I hope they don't get ridiculous and make the 600M series flagship model be over 2GB. The 580M should copy the 485M's 2GB of vram.

 

man put "gtx560m 3gb" on google you will know
we need a lot of vram when gaming with SSAA

 

It's because of the architecture.

460m/560m have 192bit memory buses, so they can only have memory amounts that are divisible by 3. So the options are 768MB (too little), 3GB (useless), 1.5GB (just right).

485m has a 256bit bus, so it's either 1GB or 2GB, and 1GB would be lacking nowadays on a highest end card (in the notebook world).

 

The GTX 580M (for the P150HM) is listed on Clevo.fr for ~€100 more than the GTX 485M and €500 more than the HD 6970M.

I don't expect this to be the final pricing, but the fact that it is listed there contributes to the suspicion that the GTX 580M will be available very soon!

 

I look at that website and there was a comment near 580M : delais 30 jours which means delays 30 days ( CMIIW ) ....

Thats ... quite a long time if its true ... . And 580M in that website is near 100 Euro more expensive than 485M lol

 

If that pricing is accurate... what a joke.

 

guess we will just have to wait and see

But I wouldnt hold your breath on it being cheap

 

Dear all members,

I've the pleasure to announce you that the GTX 580M just has been released for $906 including Heatsink & shipping worldwide.

Regards

 

There are news claiming that the release is 22 June.

Santec N67: Nvidia GeForce GTX 580M Release Date Leaked !! - PwnageTool

 

For what model is the heatsink for this standalone kit?
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oh my maker.......what is the price of 560m/485m according to this 580m sell?

 

No way that is bogus. First of all I do not see this anywhere on the web. Second of all no way would Nvidia release it for that price everyone should know better then to beleive this stupid price.

 

Specs?
Benchmarks?

The pricing is ridiculous.

 

BAFFLING.

A cheaper core, yet Nvidia charges more than the GTX 485M?

And to think, I almost chose the 460M, in hopes of upgrading to the 580M later. Phew, so glad I went AMD.

 

Where does it say that the 580M has an inferior core to whatever card you are referring to?

 

he was probably referring to lower production costs, not inferior performance...

cheers

 

It's not a joke, the price is including shipping and heatsink for X7200 or P1x0HM. I don't have the right to tell more than that. PM me if you want.

 

Yaaaaaaaaaaay! It's out!

.........wait a minute!!!

Mr. Mysterious

 

I have a strong feeling that the GTX 5xxM series are nothing more than reflashed GTX 4xxM cores; thus I'll bet that after it's all said and done, GTX 485M owners can reflash their cards into GTX 580Ms. Luckily for nVidia, they hold the majority of the high end gaming notebook market share this year.

 

With the 6970m becoming increasingly difficult to find, looks like I will be on the 580m bandwagon by necessity rather than choice. The only place I can find with the 6970 in stock for at least the near future and ready to go into a laptop is charging about as much as basically the same build with a 485m from xotic. I see little point in a build based around the 485m when the 580 seems to be right around the corner and similar in price.

 

some sites said that the gtx580m has the same specs as gtx560ti.
is that true?

 

We said it a ton of times. It's a different core. It's got the same number of cores, yes, but it's more power optimized and cheaper to make, with less heat, better overclock potential, and higher stock clocks. It's like your Charmander turning into a Charmeleon. What's the downside?

 

Actually that's a pretty good guess, the architecture will be most closely related to this desktop part I think, but who knows the final speeds and details.

 

Yea, it has been said before that the 485m = desktop 460 so the comparison you are making would be a good guess.

 

6970m is just being replaced by the 6990m, as far as I heard.

 

True but the 6990 isn't due until next year from the rumors I've heard

 

lmfao $1800+ for 2 : /.... so much for putting those in a m18x

 

So how is AMD going to survive until next year in the high end segment seeing that the 6970m is no more? I highly doubt it'll be a year. I think AMD will come up with something for the high end market...we need competition for competitive prices and innovation and of course freedom of choice....

 

The 6970M is still available regardless of the rumors that are circling here about its disappearance.
If you want one, pick up it here

 

And I'm not buying that claim about power optimization and stuff just yet. Matter of fact, Hothardware.com recently did a review of an MSI system with a GTX 560M and compared it to the same/similar system (same CPU at least), but with the GTX 460M. The battery tests between them were pretty much the same with the GTX 460M system rating one minute higher. I know the GTX 560M is overclocked 100mhz higher in 3d mode, but that wouldn't be true for the 2d clocks since overclocking those clocks would be meaningless (which is what the battery tests are clocked at). If these new cores were better optimized for power usage, then shouldn't the GTX 560M perform better in that regard than the GTX 460M as well?

And if it's cheaper to make, why up the price? GTX 560M sells anywhere from $100-150 over the GTX 460M and then this GTX 580M over the 485M? Or is nVidia that cocky?

 

Yes it is very true that the 6970M is still available. Just not for Sager branded machines. Of course if one still wanted a Clevo machine with this card just ask...
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nvidia is just being nvidia. its the fastest current mobile gpu so they will put whatever price they want. once ati releases the 6990m it might drop...

 

what is the time frame of release for the 6990m? anyone know? Also, is it possible for such card to fit in the 15 inch model (I doubt it). It'll prolly need two power adapters like the current CF and SLI models.

 

Power optimization means it uses the power supplied to it better. Not that it uses "less" per-se. This is why it pushes less heat, has a substantial overclock for its base clocks (100MHz core, 200MHz shader I believe) and can be overclocked better. 2D clocks are the same. Plain and simple. They'll use the same power, because it's only a trickle that it requires to run at that clocks. The battery life being the same is understandable.

As for the 560M selling for more, that's because the 560M replaced the 460M entirely. The 460M is weaker than the 560M, therefore lower in street price. But the 460M costed X amount before being phased out, and the 560M still costed X amount, in terms of if you went into a configurator to buy a laptop. nVidia isn't that cocky. Their parts are already expensive, they'd be daft to raise the price for a cheaper card. But even though it's cheaper to make, it *is* more powerful, and has all those other great features. So they left the price point the same. Not a bad idea I think.

 

OEM's may get the 580M die cheaper than the 485M die. but after they build their card, they will never sell it cheaper than the 485M card.

 

Youre saying the price is Clevo's fault rather than Nvidia's fault is it ?

 

All the graphic cards OEM's, Clevo and others.

 

We need to start our own factory of MXM cards .

 

The only information that I have from Clevo about the GTX 580M is :

NVIDIA N12E-GTX2 (MP) (CHIL8214 Ver.07) GDDR5(2G/32M*32)

We need some one scarifying $900 in order to test it and tell us more. The first shipping date announced by Clevo is the 4th July, so it should arrive to our tester the 6th July

Who is the HERO TESTER

 

$900 for a single 580m? LOLWUT? Ouch.

 

Nope, OEM's follow the minimum advertised price restriction from Nvidia. They can't sell it for less than that price and that price is too steep.

 

Wow $900 for the 580m, that's half the cost of my laptop. How much was the 485m compared to this one?