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    Gtx 580m

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by materax, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. DGDXGDG

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    we dont know what setting they used running furmark, we know 8msaa 1920*1080p fps too low, cooler than 800*600 0msaa

    but as expected, dell oem gtx580m use mlcc on mosfet circuit, clevo use spcap (cost down)........although clevo one is easy to add more capacitor
     
    DGDXGDG, Jul 22, 2011
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  2. arcanis_2000

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    Just did a few checks myself on the prices and yes, they are outrageous! A 580M on ebay is $800-900... and even an older GPU, like the 280M (or something along the 200 series) is still 300-400.

    This kinda defeats the "upgradability" of the notebook GPUs (under a standard MXM slot) as the price to upgrade does not make business sense. I might as well buy a new one at that price.

    So bottom line - get the best I can get at the onset, and never look back?
     
    arcanis_2000, Jul 23, 2011
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  3. pkhetan

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    Sometimes you have a good offers on the 580M SLI :D :D
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/computer-components/593485-fs-gtx-580m-sli-single-heatsink.html
     
    pkhetan, Jul 23, 2011
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  4. Aikimox

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    Nvidia was rumored to implement the "heat protection" against Furmark. Maybe that's the reason. If BabyHemi hit 83C under load on x7200 (better GPU cooling) it's highly unlikely that the card was under 100% load and max clocks while running Furmark on that M17x.
     
    Aikimox, Jul 23, 2011
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  5. _Cheesy_

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    Let hope the 580m drop down in price when the 6990m is out for Sager. I really much rather have a Nvidia card over an Ati card, little things like force AA really annoy me.
     
    _Cheesy_, Jul 23, 2011
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  6. FXi

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    Give both these chips time to cool off (meaning a few months not a week or 2) and you'll get better pricing all around. NV's prices are too high. Sooner or later that will cut off sales and they'll realize that. For now they have not.

    But even 6990 may cool some as well. Aftermarket pricing is going to be the steepest when the chips are brand new, even worse than pricing with a machine.

    So people looking to save money are best off just window shopping.
     
    FXi, Jul 23, 2011
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  7. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    not a likely scenario since their production costs are also quite higher than AMD, and cards are likely to go down in price when something new comes in.


    you can force AA on the CC panel. You dont have the ability to set game profiles for every game that you own, and that is one great feature from nvidia, I still hardly see that as worth the steep pricing.
     
    Karamazovmm, Jul 24, 2011
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  8. Kevin

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    RadeonPro settles the issue of game profiles anyway.

    Seems like _Cheesy_ is an Nvidia spam bot gone haywire.
     
    Kevin, Jul 25, 2011
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  9. d2c

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    invasion of the nvidia bots. lol. but seriously he'll have more post than u kevin in 3 months.
     
    d2c, Jul 25, 2011
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  10. _Cheesy_

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    Well you don't know_Jack :D sorry couldn't help myself quite well lol.
     
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  11. D2 Ultima

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    Don't forget, the machine still needs to support the card. My laptop can handle a 100W card, but support dropped off after the 480M. There are no heatsinks for the 485M or 580M here. I'm not even sure about the 460M/470M having heatsinks for it either. Then there's the issue that my BIOS stops support at the 480M. The 580M in this thing probably won't boot, even if I did make a heatsink.
     
    D2 Ultima, Jul 28, 2011
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  12. Nisen

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    Hey heres some stable overclock results with a P170HM

    740/1750/1480 core/mem/shader with default 0.87 voltage

    3DMarkVantage P GPU 15872
    3DMark11 P GPU 3791
    Heaven 2.5 808 (compare to here)

    not great but im just starting on it, and Heaven 2.5 needed the clocks lower to avoid tearing so thats the main reason for stopping there

    btw the 485m overclocking thead lists the top single card overclock as equivalent to 3DMark11 P GPU 3396, at about the same clocks as the 580m above
     
    Nisen, Aug 8, 2011
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  13. aduy

    aduy Keeping it cool since 93'

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    nice i can only get my core and shader on my 485m to 695/1390, but my memory will go to 1800.
     
    aduy, Aug 8, 2011
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  14. Nisen

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    Nisen, Aug 8, 2011
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  15. aduy

    aduy Keeping it cool since 93'

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    so on my 485m the limit at 1.03v is 716/1432/1814 for some reason the next step on the memory is 1827 so i only got an increase of 20mhz when using the increased voltage. too bad the increase is only 0.03 volts
     
    aduy, Aug 8, 2011
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  16. DGDXGDG

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    btw i have a hard time adding variable resistor on pwm to up voltage
    that pin is too small and there is no way measuring a working laptop gpu with multimeter...........finally give it up :(
     
    DGDXGDG, Aug 8, 2011
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  17. Nisen

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    not sure what you mean by memory steps, (havent worked out how volts factor in yet) but on the point of 716/1432/1814, is that your best totally stable overclock or just high as itll go before crashing/glitching

    740/1750/1480 on 580m runs 3DMark11 and Vantage without any clue, but Heaven 2.5s a problem, retesting it now at default settings

    ok so Heaven 2.5 is temperamental with an oc'd 580m, but its near perfect at 720/1863/1440; compared to 620/1500/1240 the default benchmark difference is 740 to 880
     
    Nisen, Aug 9, 2011
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  18. aduy

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    no those are totally stable, no artifacts no crashing, that's with the stock driver my machine came with, and i play all of my games with those clocks. I'm going to see if its more stable at higher clocks with the new 280.26 driver. and the highest clocks were 730/1460/1840, but i got artifacts. and what i mean by steps is what you type into your overclocking program is not exactly what it outputs. when you check with nvidia inspector it will give you the actual clocks.
     
    aduy, Aug 9, 2011
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  19. Nisen

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    oh right decent overclock then, but lol try running Heaven 2.5 on default setting with it, bet it tears it a new one

    yea im using nvidia inpector now instead of msi afterburner, how i decided on 1863 memory but dont really understand what its doing
     
    Nisen, Aug 9, 2011
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  20. aduy

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    the clocks are limited in the specific frequencies that they can set to both the memory and core. the memory has ~13mhz between steps, and the core has ~2 mhz between steps.
     
    aduy, Aug 9, 2011
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  21. Nisen

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    the 580m core looks like it steps anywhere from 1-4mh (720-721-723-726-729-732-734-736-738-742 etc) and those clocks earlier at 740 core were actually 738/1753/1475
     
    Nisen, Aug 10, 2011
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  22. bonnie.clyde

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    Hi
    Does anyone of you knows how to use the new NVflash 5.100.0.1? I want to update the VBIOS in my GTX580M and in no way can I deal with it. In version 5.100.0.1 I have a message: "This program can not be run in DOS mode", and version 5.95.0 I have a message: "ERROR: No NVIDIA display adapters found."
     
    bonnie.clyde, Aug 10, 2011
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  23. aduy

    aduy Keeping it cool since 93'

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    look at this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/595765-flashing-video-bios-windows-7-64bit-help.html

    You can actually do it in windows 7 without having to do it in dos.

    Download nibitor, nvflash and the batch files, that atmosk provided, and nvidia inspector(hint there at the bottom of this post).

    check on nvidia inspector to see what the specs are that you want to change.

    Extract nvflash into a folder, and then put the batch files in that folder.

    Double click the batch file that says backup, and then there should be a rom file in the nvflash folder called backup. make a copy of this file just in case, and then rename one of them vbios.rom.

    Then open nibitor and open vbios.rom to edit the voltages or whatever you want to do, the voltage can be edited by opening tools then fermi voltage editor. now i have a supscion that you cannot edit the 580m's vbios in nibitor, so you can try setting it as a gtx 560, as they are essentially the same chip, just different clocks, or you could find a premodded vbios, or just wait for nibito 6.04.

    Rename the rom file backup to vbios.rom.

    Double click the flash_vbios batch file.

    If a black screen pops up and then beeps twice then disappears, you need to click the batch file again and take a print screen of whats in the cmd window.
    it should look like this. so i had to change mine from 10DE.0000 to 1558.5102
    [​IMG]

    Next open the vbios.rom using nibitor, and in the advanced info tab change the sub vendor id and subsystem id to what it says its supposed to be in the print screen.

    Double click the flash vbios_file and it should ask you to press y and then itll take a few seconds and then you are done.

    Then restart your computer.

    use nvidia inspector to check that what you wanted to change was changed

    here is the stuff that you will need

    nvflash windows 5.100.0.1

    Backup.bat

    flash_vbios.bat

    Nibitor 6.03

    Nvidia Inspector

    edit: im going to try this on my d820.
     
    aduy, Aug 10, 2011
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  24. Blacky

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    It is much safer to do it from DOS.
    Old-School FTW!
     
    Blacky, Aug 10, 2011
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  25. aduy

    aduy Keeping it cool since 93'

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    considering that a lot of people don't know know that much about dos i think this method is easier.

    also why do the shader and core need to be at a one to two ratio.
     
    aduy, Aug 10, 2011
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  26. Blacky

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    I didn't say it was easier, I said it was safer.
    The ratio is maintained for stability issues. You will generally be able to reach a higher over-clock if you maintain that ratio.
     
    Blacky, Aug 10, 2011
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  27. bonnie.clyde

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    Many thanks. But I wonder why the DOS message "ERROR: No NVIDIA display adapters found"?
     
    bonnie.clyde, Aug 10, 2011
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  28. aduy

    aduy Keeping it cool since 93'

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    hmm maybe nv flash doesn't support the 580m yet.
     
    aduy, Aug 10, 2011
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    bonnie.clyde, Aug 11, 2011
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  30. aduy

    aduy Keeping it cool since 93'

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    cool glad it worked. oh btw can you change the voltage on your card to be higher and what voltages does it support.
     
    aduy, Aug 11, 2011
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  31. bonnie.clyde

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    For me it's maximum. My power supply is too weak (180W). I had to reduce GPU clock to 800MHz for the 3DMark Vantage (with 224W on full load).
     
    bonnie.clyde, Aug 11, 2011
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  32. aduy

    aduy Keeping it cool since 93'

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    holy crap youre system is totally maxed out! too bad you didn't get the 17" with the bigger power adapter!
     
    aduy, Aug 11, 2011
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    I look forward to P270WM :D
     
    bonnie.clyde, Aug 11, 2011
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  34. aduy

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    aduy, Aug 11, 2011
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  36. aduy

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    what do you mean by default setting, the settings in the program or in the overclocking.

    edit: i cant get it to show my results. so ill try again tomorrow.
     
    aduy, Aug 11, 2011
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  37. D2 Ultima

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    Okay. 10char
     
    D2 Ultima, Aug 11, 2011
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    bonnie.clyde, Aug 12, 2011
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  39. D2 Ultima

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    Nice, I was looking for something like that. Now to only hope I get my P170HM soon.
    I wanted the 580m results to show someone something.
     
    D2 Ultima, Aug 12, 2011
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  40. little_one

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    Guys i have questions regarding drivers for my 580 M

    U see recently Nvidia released the 280.26 driver , but when i check nvidia forums i see nothing but complain and negative feedback bout their driver ...

    So Right now i still useing 275.50 from Clevo , did anyone with 580M tries the 280.26 driver ? can please share your impression ?

    Thanks in advance :)
     
    little_one, Aug 12, 2011
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  41. aduy

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    Ill post a regular run in a bit. im in my room using a vnc to control my computer from my phone, the computer is across the house.

    Edit: ok I'm running the bench with stock clocks right now. Also noticed on idle with fn+1 the gpu idles at 30C in a 28C room ftw!
     
    aduy, Aug 12, 2011
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  42. little_one

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    @aduy

    Are you using 280.26 ?

    Did you notice spike in voltage when you watching video in youtube ?

    many user in nvidia forums report that their GPU jump to maximum voltage and clock when streaming youtube lol
     
    little_one, Aug 12, 2011
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    aduy, Aug 12, 2011
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    ive noticed a couple of things about 280.26, loading some pages in firefox with flash based content starts the lvl2 P0 state

    and Vantage somehow looks blurier than when using beta 280.19 plus theres some micro stuttering going on in the New Cisco.

    didnt see any issues with 280.19 so might roll back
     
    Nisen, Aug 13, 2011
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  45. Ferrero

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    Does anyone know whether one of these cards would work in a Clevo w880cu? Anyone here happened to have tried it?

    Any info people could provide would be great, I am thinking of upgrading from my stock 480m.
     
    Ferrero, Aug 18, 2011
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  46. godly_skillz

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    when overvolted and overclocked to the max what do you get with crysis set to very high?
     
    godly_skillz, Aug 22, 2011
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    I got a new P170HM with a GTX 580m.
    Idle at around 38°C - 39°C
    F.E.A.R. 3 -- 1980x1080 everything on max settings
    Load 75°C everything without Fn + 1

    I just did the furmark 1.8.2 benchmark with 1920 x 1080 MSAA Samples 32x .
    I got a Clevo P170HM with a 580m gtx.
    After 28 min. my temperature hit a constant 96c-97c (FN + 1 enabled) is that still normal or should I worry?
    I still use stock paste, would it make much of a difference if I used AS5 or ICD 7?
     
    bmpm5, Aug 24, 2011
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  48. Icib

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    I have a P170HM with a GTX 580m aswell.

    Have not ran furmark yet. I have played a few different games and temps are between 88 - 94c (depending on game). So I guess we are in the same boat. I guess we shouldnt overclock :p (wasnt planning to do this anyway)

    Also I am running 280.19 drivers, cause they seem to be 2c cooler for me then the 280.26.

    I am changing the paste today to see if it will make any difference!

    In the mean time, does anyone know if bmpm5 and me have a problem or not?

    Other then that I am enjoying this notebook alot!
     
    Icib, Aug 26, 2011
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  49. bmpm5

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    Just played Crysis 2 for about 3 hours.
    All settings on Ultra, 1920x1080, V-Sync disabled.
    DX 11 patch and High Res Texture Patch installed.
    Dont know what the fps were, but for me it was playable.

    Temps measured with HW-Monitor, 86°C FN+1 was not used
    Seems alright.

    might change the stock paste to ICD7 over the weekend (maybe a new paste job will get us some more °C) and will do a new test with furmark and Crysis 2

    btw. I use the 280.26 drivers
     
    bmpm5, Aug 26, 2011
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    After I applied the new paste today my temp while playing the same game and even the same mission went down from 92c to 76c! I couldnt believe me eyes!

    I even applied a bit to much to my liking but thought I just give it a shot and I am very happy with the result, I think the original paste wasn't done very well.

    I used Arctic mx-3. (I wanted the mx-4 but they were sold out on that) I knew they didnt have any ICD7 so I orderd that on inet and will apply that when it arrives.
     
    Icib, Aug 26, 2011
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