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    Gtx 580m

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by materax, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. D2 Ultima

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    Same price. Or it should have been.
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 21, 2011
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  2. EvolutionTheory

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    Yeah, i think the 580's sold with notebooks are going to be the same price as the 485's, not more.
     
    EvolutionTheory, Jun 21, 2011
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    Are nVidia FX Quadro cards unlockable to GTX Mobile via vBIOS change or stays the card a FX Quadro one? Im thinking about buying a leonovo and they have only FX Quadro cards. I would prefer ( i dont use AutoCAD @ home) using a GTX 460 m or 480 m
     
    alxlbf2, Jun 21, 2011
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  4. anexanhume

    anexanhume Notebook Evangelist

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    Why wouldn't they? I can't imagine 485M demand is that strong if no one but Clevo is even offering it. I imagine there would be some benefit to making it more 6970M competitive, at least on a price/performance metric.
     
    anexanhume, Jun 21, 2011
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  5. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    Doubtful.

    Keep in mind that the 485M + Heatsink launched at $750.

    Expect the 580M to hit the configurator as a $150 premium over the 485M.
     
    Kevin, Jun 21, 2011
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  6. ichime

    ichime Notebook Elder

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    meh, back to the 9800M GTX days...

    I'll concede that the GTX 5xxM series may be different cores in that respect, but I guess cleaning up these cores (which is pretty much what they're doing) isn't really making things cheaper. When the GTX 280M came out, it used a cheaper process to produce vs the 9800M GTX, it had more shaders than the 9800M GTX and it was a good deal faster. Yet, it ended up being $200 cheaper than the 9800M GTX when it came out. So I really don't see how they priced the 580M is that much more over the 485M (or upped the mininum advertised price) other than cockiness. That being said, it's understandable seeing as it will be the fastest mobile GPU out there. And if the Radeon 6990M comes out and ends up being faster, I doubt that will change things as far as nVidia pricing goes...
     
    ichime, Jun 21, 2011
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  7. hello!

    hello! Notebook Guru

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    Honestly there is no point to have a 6990m to come out if it will have 40nm technology. 6990m is basically two 6970m's. Too power consuming and quite an overkill.
     
    hello!, Jun 21, 2011
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  8. D2 Ultima

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    It won't change nVidia's pricing, because nVidia has a premium price tagged onto their cards. You're paying for PhysX as well as CUDA when you buy the card, technologies own by nVidia. This is why I like nVidia, because I use both technologies, and I find it worth it. As for normal, gaming-only users, if they want to get AMD, I don't really care, that's better for them. But there are people who will want all the features in nVidia (moving past fanboyism) and will pay for it. Because believe me, $300 extra to cut video rendering times down to 1/5 of the normal, non-CUDA time (for a business that's amazing) + PhysX in games like Batman: Arkham Asylum/Arkham City, Metro 2033/Last Light, etc? They see gold. =).
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 21, 2011
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  9. Kevin

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    Nvidia does not "tax" for those technologies on the desktop side.

    There's no technical justification for the price.
     
    Kevin, Jun 21, 2011
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  10. dizzyscure1

    dizzyscure1 Notebook Geek

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    Your getting the desktop 6990 confused with the Possible mobile version.
    AMD will not be releasing a mobile Dual GPU card, the 6990 is going to be AMD's next top of the line Mobile GPU, one that if i had to guess would be based off of the 6870
    6970Mobile = neutered (lower clocks) 6850 Desktop
    6990Mobile = neutered (lower clocks) 6870 Desktop

    My most educated guess of what a 580m will be,
    580Mobile = neutered (lower clocks) 560ti Desktop

    Either way our future (MOBILE GAMING) is looking mighty bright! ;)
     
    dizzyscure1, Jun 21, 2011
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  11. Patrck_744

    Patrck_744 Burgers!

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    ^ Except the prices.
     
    Patrck_744, Jun 21, 2011
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  12. dizzyscure1

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    LOL! of course prices for mobile users will always be a party, thats something that i DONT expect to change. you have to pay to play.
     
    dizzyscure1, Jun 21, 2011
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    hello! Notebook Guru

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    Lol yeah
    Lol yeah can't wait for 2020... a cpu so small you can't see without a microscope and it is a hundred times more powerful, same for gpu. Mannn so looking forward for the future?
     
    hello!, Jun 21, 2011
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    But this is exactly what they are doing, selling for more than the "minimum advertised price"

    My point was, nVidia MAP for the GTX 580M is less than that of GTX 485M. But OEM's have the right to sell for more than that minimum. So they sell their 580M cards for more the price they offer for their 485M cards.
     
    pkhetan, Jun 21, 2011
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  15. Zero989

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    if i knew it was based off the GF114 fermi core then id prob get it. for $900 we're gonna have to see what it offers :p.
     
    Zero989, Jun 21, 2011
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  16. bartman8888

    bartman8888 Notebook Geek

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    580m NDA expiration? Resellers??? 6/22 or 6/27 at 12:01am ET?

    My bank account wants to bleed!!!!
     
    bartman8888, Jun 21, 2011
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  17. dizzyscure1

    dizzyscure1 Notebook Geek

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    Well my guess is that you will be buying a 580m ;)
     
    dizzyscure1, Jun 21, 2011
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  18. D2 Ultima

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    I want a P170HM. I can give you the specs. You can have my D900F in return. That'll still make your bank account bleed. =3.

    Unless you're trolling... are you trolling? XD
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 21, 2011
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  19. bartman8888

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    I'm 'trawling' for expiration dates... not trolling :)
     
    bartman8888, Jun 21, 2011
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  20. D2 Ultima

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    Why do you want expiration dates on a card that isn't out yet?
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 21, 2011
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  21. pkhetan

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    So, be the first one to have this 580M and tell us what specification it has before the NDA expiration. I guess your bank account will really bleed with 2 of them on SLI :D

    By the way the SLI kit for X7200 is $1734 shipped :eek:
     
    pkhetan, Jun 21, 2011
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  22. Maverick1987

    Maverick1987 Notebook Geek

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    He was looking for the expiration date for the NDA for those cards. He's fishing for a launch date without actually asking.
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 21, 2011
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  23. lawtq

    lawtq Notebook Evangelist

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    Here, here! It's just bloody greed!
     
    lawtq, Jun 21, 2011
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  24. bartman8888

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    When the NDA expires, the resellers will have launch dates so I can place my order.
     
    bartman8888, Jun 21, 2011
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  25. Maverick1987

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    Rumor has it is that both the 6970 and the 485 M have been backordered. The 6970m for stability issues and the 485m due to the pending launch of the 580m. Information is scarce to prove this in writing, these are just things I've heard from my reseller. My 8150-S1 is waiting for a video card currently, as neither are available. :(

    TBH, I wanted a 6970m, until they pulled it for "stability issues." This makes me definately lean nVidia now. 580M here I come :D
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 21, 2011
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  26. bartman8888

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    Hmm, if the 485m is backordered, I wonder if the resellers will take my order now to secure a place in line.
     
    bartman8888, Jun 21, 2011
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  27. Phinagle

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    You're right that GF114 isn't really any less expensive to produce than GF104. GF114 was a lot more of a rewiring of Fermi and a whole lot less (really not at all) a new arch. Transistor count and die size of GF114 is the same as GF104 so the cost of silicon is the same per die....but GF114 has better yields of fully functional chips than GF104 so Nvidia's margin per wafer is higher.

    Lower cost per wafer isn't a savings that necessarily gets passed on to the consumer as even bad chips can make a profit as lower model cards. What better yields really just means is Nvidia gets to sell more GTX 560Ti/GTX 580M per wafer than plain GTX 560.

    Then again I still remain unconvinced that GTX 485M hasn't already been using GF114.
     
    Phinagle, Jun 21, 2011
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  28. anexanhume

    anexanhume Notebook Evangelist

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    I would imagine that the binning for 580M is more stringent than for the 560Ti, meaning Nvidia hasn't really gained anything in terms of yield.

    All consumers lose is the possibility for 560Ti's with more overclocking headroom.
     
    anexanhume, Jun 21, 2011
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  29. EvolutionTheory

    EvolutionTheory Notebook Consultant

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    Check my sig.
     
    EvolutionTheory, Jun 21, 2011
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  30. templar2323

    templar2323 Notebook Guru

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    how did you get a 580m build...myth doesnt even have it as an option yet....
     
    templar2323, Jun 21, 2011
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  31. mythlogic

    mythlogic Company Representative

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    Who said he had it delivered yet :wink:
     
    mythlogic, Jun 21, 2011
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  32. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    Of course if you want to be in the very first batch shipped from Sager then why not ask. ;)
    _
     
    Larry@LPC-Digital, Jun 21, 2011
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    Hakcom Notebook Enthusiast

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    Jesus, you have money.
     
    Hakcom, Jun 21, 2011
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    I'm suprised to see so little comment from the resellers on this thread actually, I was expecting a few more nudge's and winks :)
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 21, 2011
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  35. D2 Ultima

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    *drools*....

    You make me want to beg for my dream P170HM from you. Just know that.

    On the other end, when building that, I've noticed that (at least on XoticPC's site) when you opt for SLI 485Ms (carrying over to 580Ms I'm sure) there's an option for it without an extra adapter/power converter, and one with. Is that extra converter necessary for those cards to SLI in that config? Or is it necessary to somehow connect two adapters at once?
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 21, 2011
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  36. Maverick1987

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    Just cut the power bricks in half and solder them together....voila 360W of SLI goodness :p

    :rolleyes:
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 21, 2011
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  37. Zero989

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    ohhh myyyyy id trade my alienware for that any day :cool:
     
    Zero989, Jun 21, 2011
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    Haha - and this is why I like Mythlogic ;-)
     
    aarondr, Jun 21, 2011
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    If it is NDA of 6/22, then unleash all information now because it is June 22 here in Norway :D
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 21, 2011
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  40. Dolfan349

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    Getting close now, gotta keep an eye on this one.
     
    Dolfan349, Jun 21, 2011
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  41. D2 Ultima

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    Did you join this forum JUST to keep active track of the 580M's release? XD
     
    D2 Ultima, Jun 21, 2011
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  42. Kevin

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    Your sig tells me nothing, if an NDA keeps me from knowing the price paid.
     
    Kevin, Jun 21, 2011
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    why would anyone "pre-order" the 580M with no benchmarks anywhere for it???? so strange people...
    You have to at least know what your getting your self into before dishing your bling...
     
    templar2323, Jun 21, 2011
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  44. Maverick1987

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    Because as of right now some of us have no choice, as of yesterday both the 6970 and the 485m mysteriously disappeared.....which leaves just the unreleased 580m for those of us wanting an 8150-S1 anytime soon.
     
    Maverick1987, Jun 21, 2011
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    You got it, buddy! :cool:
     
    Dolfan349, Jun 21, 2011
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  46. HTWingNut

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    Hmm, at XoticPC it shows GTX 485m for 8150, 8150-S1 and 8170.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 21, 2011
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  47. bartman8888

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    Check my sig... P170HM3 with 580M ordered. Worked it out with my reseller of choice :) If Clevo has any other goodies (screen options, etc.), I have confidence that my reseller can work with me.

    Foolish without benchmarks or reviews, but I'm ready for the upgrade.
     
    bartman8888, Jun 21, 2011
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  48. Hakcom

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    People who are pre ordering the 580m, how much$ is it?
     
    Hakcom, Jun 21, 2011
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  49. JoeE42

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    If it costs the same as the 485 and performs a little better whts it matter? Whens the last time nvidia refreshed a model and it got slower?
     
    JoeE42, Jun 21, 2011
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  50. supersonic13

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    That's a pretty big if IMO
     
    supersonic13, Jun 21, 2011
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