New 120hz Laptops Displays = Gorgeous!

this is the reason I'm waiting for the 120hz Gsync panels. It's not the games of today on my 1080 that I'm worried about, but the games in 5+ years on my 1080.

 

I don't see a 1080 sli setup having difficulties for some time of course

 

Can someone pin down for me what all the rage is about these 120hz screens? I don't believe I've had the pleasure of using one and since I can't do a visual comparison I'm having a hard time knowing whether I should consider this a killer feature or not. Would I notice the increased smoothness of games if I switched from 60-75hz to 120hz? Or is this something typically more suited to a professional gamer or similar? I have a projector capable of 144hz output however nothing I own would send a signal at that refresh rate anyway for me to test it.

I would appreciate your opinions on the subject.

 

My opinion is that higher refresh rate screens make a big difference. Running my 60hz laptop screen side by side next to a 144hz screen shows a clear and obvious difference. The image appears much smoother and life-like, especially in fast motion situations. For example, in a FPS like Overwatch, if you are looking around quickly scanning the situation or you're in the heat of a battle, things won't get blurry on the higher refresh rate screen and you are more easily able to make out details, which I feel can give you a competitive advantage. So yes, I think you would notice the difference. And no, this is not just for professional gamers. Anyone would appreciate the extra smoothness given by higher refresh rate. Of course, you'll need to have the hardware to support frame rates at 120 as well.

 

If you play high-action games of any kind, you WILL notice a difference between 60Hz and 120Hz.

 

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But be warned. Once you go 120hz+ there's no going back. Even if I had a magical unicorn 8k 60hz screen and could run games at 60fps.. I still couldn't go back. It's a blessing and a curse.

 

Lol, well said. Too many things are like that aren't they? Seems like the time is right though, the price difference is not as great as it once was.

 

So are we getting 3K @ 120Hz on Clevo ?

 

According to ivypc.se they are coming at the end of october No info on ms though.

 

Compatible panels that offer something new and are available/priced within reason will always be considered.

 

Hey guys, I'm having a really hard time deciding here - can you help?

Clevo P775DM-3G through Metabox, 17.3inch, GTX 1080

Do I choose:
A) 1080p g-sync 120hz screen
B) 4K g-sync 60hz screen
C) wait an unknown amount of time for what I really want > a 120hz 4K g-sync screen to become available?

My conundrum is that the GTX1080 can push over 60fps at times even at 4K for some of the games I want to play which means wasted frames on a 60hz. However I will be able to see the enhanced resolution, probably up to around 3 - 3.5k so I don't want to miss out on greater clarity and put up with screen door etc.

 

I strongly advise against a 120hz 4K display, should it ever be released for this generation of notebooks. A single 1080 already struggles to maintain 60fps at current graphics intense titles, + windows scales atrociously. My tip would be a 1440p 120hz panel, but no idea when it will be available...

 

G-sync would fix that issue right though and just clock down the refresh rate when needed? Or have I misunderstood how it works? I've been out of the PC game for a few years and have some older titles to catch up on. I'm hoping they can maybe reach 90-100fps on 4k.

I agree completely however that a 1440p 120hz would be a great solution and middle ground. Like you however, unfortunately I don't see any in sight.

 

Never say never, 1440p 120hz might come in the foreseeable future (late september)! According to Prema it is a TN panel (despite the information on the website, I trust Prema over that shop), which in my eyes is a plus as it benefits from faster response times.

 

I'd love a 1440p 120hz.. even if it's TN. That's not a problem in the least for me.
Hopefully we'll find cheap panels on ebay like we did with the P870 and the 4k ones.

 

IVY Extreme Laptop 174 P Config say they will offer a 1440p ips 120Hz screen at late Oct.

 

Here is the link
http://pc-konsulten.se/produkt/ivy-extreme-laptop-174-p-config/

 

Not everyone wants the display for gaming. I think such a display would be excellent for productivity and much better on the eyes long-term. I would pay anything for such a display.

 

Late October - mid November is when more panel options will become available

 

How does running 1080 on the UHD panel compare to running at 1080 on a 1080p panel? Can 4k make regular HD content look better?

 

Read my post carefully, I referred to the 120hz option. I am not saying 4k panels don't have their own purpose, as they certainly do for content creation and productivity, but 4k panels are so far pretty undesirable for gaming as they suffer from high response times + G2G times, and 120hz 4K options perhaps lack bandwith (the user I was replying was referring to 120hz 4k in regards of gaming, not productivity).

 

Thanks for the advice sirana. Do you mind expanding on some of those downsides of 4K 60hz /120hz for gaming? I was under the impression more is better but I guess it's never that simple!

 

In some cases it is that simple, but not in terms of notebook displays
Specifically for gaming, the following constraints apply:

1. 4K is ok(ish) if you have at least a 1080, as that card is already pushed to its limits when maxing out 2015/2016 games like Witcher 3 or the new Rise of the Tomb Raider (and that is without MSAA). Battlefield 1 for example (although it will be optimised a bit until launch, one would imagine) struggles to reach and maintain 60FPS with a single 1080 @4K.

2. The currently offered 4K screens suffer from high response times, which makes it really undesirable for gaming. You will run into ghosting issues if you turn around fast in games, which will make your gameplay feel not smoothed out even if the FPS are high. (referring to 24ms Black/White and atrocious 39ms Grey/Grey). This is mostly because the 4K displays are IPS panels and high response times are a natural concomittant of the technology. Some 1080p panels are also IPS, and have accordingly high response times, but that is exactly why we wait for the 120hz panels (some are IPS, some are TN) which won't have this issue.

Thus, for me and some others, the absolute optimum would be a 1440p (also known as QHD) TN panel for low response rates or IPS panel for better colours and contrasts, at any rate refreshing at 120hz.

Note however, that 4K IPS screens have superiour colour coverage and probably also contrast levels, as well as viewing angles, for the record.

 

Great info and I appreciate the explanation of ghosting on a slow response time display. One question as follow up, wouldn't any form of AA be unnecessary at such a high resolution? As I understand it AA is meant to smooth the edges of pixels. Pixels are square, not round so AA eases the transitions between the square pixels for a smoother image.

This effect has a great result in low resolutions especially 720p and to me is still visibly helpful at 1080p on 24" or larger screen formats. In some cases a game may look better that way. But at 4k on a 17" screen, who has eyes good enough that they can see the difference with AA turned on? We are talking about 8.3 million pixels as opposed to 1080p's 2 million.

I grant you I've not had the pleasure of viewing max graphics on a 4k screen so I could be speaking out of turn. Maybe AA increases the overall softness as I speculate it might. However I wouldn't expect to see this effect unless on a very large screen. Then we are talking about HDTV's since computer monitors typically go up to 30" territory, right?

 

I have been in contact with Dreammachines.pl and was curious about the possibility for 120Hz screens for P67x models. It seem sit is not possible due to manufacturing process limitation.

 

That is what I meant as in "maxed out" but no MSAA. In 4K there is indeed no need for MSAA

 

I'm excited at the prospect of having more options People being able to choose what's best for them is always ideal.

 

Does anyone know if the P671 will ever get a 4K/3K display? Or if it is possible to add the 4K/3K display to this model ?

I was thinking of getting the P775 but I have a huge problem with its portability. My M570TU is definitely more portable than the P775 and I have the bad experience with the M17x R2, which was a pain to carry.

 

I've the same question, but more for the 650/750.

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Can you clarify? Basically Clevo just doesn't want to provide more options?

 

That is what they replied..

As it currently looks like, Clevo will have to come up with a new design for 17.3" with soldered CPU/GPU in order to implement 120Hz screens, but there is no timeline reported for it

Pity..


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Here's hoping that 120Hz options will be reaching Europe soon, too. Planning to get a P775 by November, and the prospect of playing DOOM at a scorching 120 fps is pretty damn enticing.

 

Any update on what these panels will be, and if there will be any "3k" options on the 15" models?

 

well, there ARE 3k options for 15 inchers, just check my sig panel is from panasonic

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Teach us, o master, where do we find such hidden knowledge?

 

lol, well, in the end it always depends what panels are offered by the vendors ^^ so best to ask specifically what they got in store for the upcoming weeks/months, if youre not happy with the current offerings

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I'm jealous. I got the 15" 8153 and having a 120Hz would have been a much better choice for the G-Sync option.

 

Don't think Clevo and MSI offer it anymore... Sadly 3K is pretty dead for 15.6" now..

 

Yeah, seems clevo has decided not to sell this any more, hence the need to look at third parties or other manufacturers that are more willing to be more flexible and sell the options we want.

 

Can you guys point me to some?

I'm interested in 1440P 15.6" with refresh rate higher than 60Hz+G-Sync.

 

I know I've seen Aorus, Asus, and MSI laptops all in stock with 1440p screens in the last few days.

 

Awesome. How do I get my hands on a display that I can install on my Sager though?

 

You will have to wait for a panel website to get stock, you could try emailing them to get an idea when they will stock the exact model.

 

Hey all, would it be possible to buy the screen independently and upgrade the current bad 1080p 120hz screen on my p870dm2?
Also along the proper cable maybe? I think mine is 30 pin

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Hi, I just pre-order this kind of Clevo P775DM3-G with 1440p 120hz ips G-sync display.
Hope everything is fine.
link : http://pc-konsulten.se/produkt/ivy-extreme-laptop-174-p-config/

 

Let us know what you think of it!

 

Okay.
Ivy say they won't deliver it until late Oct because it is in pre-order for now.

 

I would be very interested to know the specs of the new 1440p 120hz screens - specifically response time and colour gamut.

 

This is from Eurocom (p.s. other resellers should start doing this!)

 

I really don't understand the pricing scheme for these screens:
- $354 on eurocom or any other big reseller and then you get this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/17-..._1&btsid=4e205617-9e10-4b72-9f17-b9d2bd87ab4e

 

Oh no, Eurocom is more cheap than IVY, I should buy this...