New 2012 Models Speculation Thread - PxxxEM Series (P151EM, P150EM, P170EM)

17" are not pleasant to take to class.

Carrying it is one thing, taking it out is another.

 

Any speculation to how big the power supply will be? I had an NP8662 and the power supply plus the computer must of weighed 8-10lbs.

 

According to the review in this thread, the laptop with the charger will weigh 4.24kg which is roughly 9.35lbs.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/652896-clevo-p150em-review-chinese.html

 

It definitely won't be $375 because that's way more than the 675m costs alone. My guess is $145. And the 580m is currently a $561 upgrade from Mythlogic, it can't possibly get worse than that.

 

Same as the P150HM.

 

Just checked Mythlogic's P270WM again, price change; 670m is now $198 each.

 

OK So it's physical not soft; got it.

Could I still put a GTX 660m or 670M in and just not use the Optimus feature?

Are they still XMX 3.0 b or whatever the current series is for P151hm?

 

We won't know until these cards pop-up. It may be necessary for your laptop to have BIOS support for these cards.

 

Thats what they always were <confused>

 

Really? I think they were $187 last time... Oh well. Doesn't matter.

 

Can we have the 150em config page back?

we won't tell any one!

 

I don't think that was the EM page because it had prices left over from the last switch. It's probably more outdated that the current P150HM page (though that one's GPU prices are depressingly high for the 6990m and 580m)

 

it was listed as the 150em. while some of the config stuff was off, it still had a correct pic, naming, as well as IB procs.

It would just be nice to watch it change. Although I guess it's only like 11 days until the NDA lifts right? Suppose I can suffer along for another week and a half.

 

Yea the 6990m jumped in price because of its scarcity. The 580m is just plain'ole expensive

Yea you can watch it change as soon as you fork over the $$ for the lawyers that will chase us down for breaking NDA lol.

 

If any honchos come around wanting to know why their NDA was broken, blame the Russian Hackers and take it down. In asia, nobody seems to care about NDA's.

 

Awe, where's your sense of adventure?

 

I probably could ask these questions about it in the gaming forum, but how difficult would it be to take apart the 150EM/170EM to apply ICD7 to the gpu and cpu? will it void the warranty? I know they're not out right now, but I'm pretty sure the chassis won't be much different from the 150HM/170HM. I'm not up to paying the $35.00 if it can be put toward the 675m upgrade.

Right now looking at 150HM/170HM

 

Ooooooooh. Was reading through the P270WM owner's lounge, this was posted all the way back in February. As this seems to be the place where all the EM-hopefuls are hanging out, I'm amazed this hasn't been posted here yet.
XMG U701 - Sneak Preview on illuminated keyboard - YouTube
Enjoy

 

Won't void our warranty, but we include it for free, as we're with you on the high cost of ICD lol. Its not hard to get them apart, a few screws, and the holes are labeled for the order that you attach and remove them.

 

I'll be ordering a laptop soon, waiting on the ivy bridge updates, will there be an option to remove the backlighting? Seems like such a waste to touch typists

 

P151EM wont have backlighting..

You could simply just not use it also

 

I apologize if this is a dumb question and it probably is but I'm having a really hard time following all of these model numbers. The original P150 is the shell that was used to build the np5160 and np5165 correct? Is it also the np81XX series? And as far as all of these speculative graphics cards, will the new P150EM have something on par for performance with the np5160 (GT540M). I've tried to compare the numbers and I have searched and read a lot I just keep getting lost in translation, thanks.

 

P150EM= 2012 high-end 15-incher
P151EM1= 2012 high-end 15-incher with fewer options and no backlet keyboard
P150HM=NP8150= 2011 high-end 15-incher
P151HM1=NP8130= 2011 high-end 15-incher with fewer options
P170EM= 2012 high-end 17-incher
P170HM=NP8170= 2011 high-end 17-incher
P180HM=NP8180= 2011 18-incher
those are the high-end things. NP51** come from W1**HR models which are very different from the other ones and aimed at a different market.
Oh, and in case this is what's confusing you, anything with a letter, 3 numbers and 2 letters *or* x followed by 4 numbers is what Clevo calls it, and anything that's NP followed by 4 numbers is what sager calls it.
You'll be much less confused if you just totally ignore the sager names and stick with the Clevo's.

 

You're overcomplicating it, change the M to an E and you have the new models, and change the '8130/8150/8170/8180' to '8131/8151/8171/8181'

 

Wondering if the P150HM/P151HM1 can be upgraded to the new 6xxM series card?

What's the 460M GTX equivalent? 670M? I see 660M has only 128-bit mem width?

 

H, not M. Maybe that was a little over the top. I think he was confused because sager and clevo name their models differently, though. Also, in this brief period of limbo, the 81*1's are still HM's even though they're supposed to be EM's

670m is 570m. 460m got a slight buff and became 560m last summer, 560m will not be renamed but the kepler GT 650m w/GDDR5 should preform similarly.

 

Sager's SKU numbering conventions are nonsensical. That much is clear.

Things would be much more simple if Sager stuck closer to the original names, which Clevo designates.

 

Applause! I do not understand the name change made by Sager either, as if they want to completely eliminate the "existence" of Clevo. Odd...

 

Yeah, for example:

The M860TU = NP8660, but 3 to 4 yrs later, the P150HM = NP8150

That makes no sense.

 

I don't think 650M GDDR5 will perform similarly. We will see.

And the point of buying new graphics is getting better performance with similar power consumption. So if a 670M (75W?) draws similar power as 460M (72W) then I would prefer 670M.

 

670M is a slightly overclocked GTX 570M. 660M reviews are not out yet but it should perform slightly under 570M. Don`t be fooled by the 128bit memory bus. It have a lot faster GDDR5 than 560M which result in wider memory width (64GB/s vs 560s 60GB/s)

 

Realistically when should I expect to have a P151EM1 with 660M and Ivy Bridge?
July? December? Next year?

 

April or May.

 

Didn't Nvidia make 660M's shaders complete @#@#$ ?

 

According to Nvidia: Up to 384 CUDA Cores. 835Mhz core, 4ghz memory. Up to 2GB GDDR5. 128-bit Memory Interface. 28nm GK107.

The 'Up to' is what you should worry about.

 

I do recall a source claiming 1 Fermi shader = 2 Kepler shaders

 

I've changed the thread title to better reflect the topic and to incorporate all upcoming model speculation to a single thread.

 

I have a feeling this might confuse things a little because some of the models vary greatly and have totally different groups interested (like the w110er compared to the P150EM). That's just my opinion though, I suppose that might not be the case for everyone.

 

Agreed Anthony. I think the separation between the W110ER thread that was established and the P1xxEM thread is needed. They're pretty different models and with so many new people showing up, the division helped avoid some of the unnecessarily repeated questions.

No offense Ryan I'd say that perhaps model speculation could be another subforum, but seeing as how people can barely scroll down to find a similar thread (yet alone check a previous page for an answer before asking it again), that might just create more thread moving work for you lol.

 

the 460m is 2 generations older than the 670m, technically. (Though both gens were sort of rebrands) Comparing 560m and 670m would be easier, but I think this issue should be cleared up by now.

Late April/early May

yeah, I've been following the W110ER and this thread and I just had to go back and re-read the last 5 pages to see who was talking about what. Some people won't be able to find the ER thread anymore (I couldn't find it until I checked here for unrelated purposes). What I probably would have done is just turn this into the P150EM owner's lounge because most of the people who want P150EM's (myself included) are here anyway and most of the relevant details (except the user manual, which is in a different topic) have been posted here anyway.

 

I also agree that seperate threads were a better idea. Now I have to sift through posts to see which posts apply to the W110ER. It took me a while to realize that the old W110ER thread was dissolved into this one.

 

I really hope there'll be a version with SB in it. I'm not waiting for IB... too long of a wait for me

Sounds like they'll release a SB version first, since Sager is completely out of stock of all the laptops they have... Just gotta survive for another 3 weeks or so.

 

^^^^ You're living with a GeForce 9400m the same way I'm living with a dysfunctional HDD.

 

yeah, i agree that separate threads were better. broke my bookmark. i was trying to catch up on the 150em stuff and was excited to see 10+ new pages, only to realize after rereading ~3 pages that there was another thread shuffled in with a bunch of posts that don't concern me in the least.

 

w00t, thank you ryan :3 are you an awesome kitty mod <3

 

I also hope to get a GTX 6xxm with SB; IB isn't as important to me as the Optimus technology. Having the same power as my i7 2670 : 8GB 1333mhz RAM : GTX 560m but with Optimus; is all I really want. It can literally DOUBLE the battery life; the IB will not help battery life that much for me because I hear the Idle power usage is roughly the same as the SB; only when under load and running on battery does it perform up to 30% better.

I want to use my laptop for Photoshop + BF3 + Diablo 3 + School + Work [mostly photoshop and some simple 3d sketch ups of offices for camera/phone/network installation sketches for customers]. I want to have a full powered gaming rig at least equivalent to the GTX 560m in my current P151hm, but I want it to be able to turn off so that I can get at least 4 hours of battery life with 0% brightness and no WiFi. I want to be able to take notes in class and run accounting/finance software [thats my major and minor combo for college] for at least 4 hours in case I have 2 classes back to back without a chance of charging them.

I'm hearing of a possible 5 hour battery life on the 15.6" clevo with SB + GTX 660m w/ Optimus. This would be awesome and PERFECT for what I need. I wish I could afford a 256GB SSD to throw in it to save more battery + weight. I have a 750GB external that I always plug in when I'm home to store data on. I only want my games + programs + OS + the files I will be working on currently on the 256GB SSD and the rest transferred over to my 750GB external.

I may have to save up an extra $200 for this; I currently have the 750GB Momentus XT with 8GB SSD cache and it works well enough; but I want to lower the battery usage and weight as much as possible and the speed boost can't hurt for photoshop and BF3 map load times

 

Really? I heard 6 hours. Also, 256GB crucial SSD's are really cheap, bumping around $330 on newegg and falling fairly fast. You should keep an eye on them, they will probably be even cheaper by the time this is out. One more thing, If you have optimus why settle for a 660m?

 

Yeah something close tells me that the P150EM might be released next week..

 

you mean like next friday when the NDA is lifted?

 

I'd like to get the 670m but I'm not sure how tight my money will be. Also I'm still not fully trusting of the SSD technology and if it will last 3+ years because of the IOPS ratings etc. and some people reporting the drives slowing down when you put more data in them.

I would love a GTX 675m with IB of 2.8ghz or so but I don't know how much they will cost.

GTX 660m will perform close to the last GTX 570m and possibly a little more with a 15% OC that it is reportedly capable of at stock.

I don't need much more power than that; my old GTX 560m could play BF3 at 1600x900 on all High settings with some AA. If I get the GTX 660m it will probably do the same but at 1080p and possible a few settings on ultra.

I would get a steady 30-50 FPS [30 minimum] with those settings on my GTX 560m and a i7 2670 and 8GB 1333 RAM.

If I have a 660m I feel that it would be plenty for my needs; but a 670m would be sweet to rock games on Ultra; usually High is enough for me though.

Just traded in my laptop and will have $1,300 in the mail next week as a refund. So I'll be putting that and possibly $200 more to get a nice $1500 laptop. Hopefully with IB and a GTX 660m or 670m. I really just want the optimus and basically double or triple battery life it supplies haha.

I just hope these come out before the end of april; mid april would be great.

We all know may 15 is diablo 3 time so definitely need it before then