New 2012 Models Speculation Thread - PxxxEM Series (P151EM, P150EM, P170EM)

I hope it's within a few weeks because it would Make work and school much easier Ha. I'd like 2670 i7 or equivalent ivy bridge with 8gb ram and 660m or 670m 675m if it's reasonable, I don't want the backlit keyboard though as I'm a touch typist it doesn't matter and i hear it's 150 extra. That's steep

 

The backlit keyboard I don't think will be an option. It will come on the high-end 15" notebook but not on the lower-end one.

 

So let me get this streight because I'm looking into a Sager Notebook and was a little caught off guard by this forum post...

In the 15" category there are two models the P151 and the P150, as of now i only see the P151 for sale and the GPU availability is only the 560M.

Is there a new generation of these models being released sometime soon for sale that offers the 660M at a similar price?? What is the excitement about?

 

This may sound rude, but did you bother to read any of the thread?

 

If you look at XoticPC's website, they have preorders up for the Sager model NP8131 (which I believe is Clevo P150EM) and the NP8151 (P151EM). The ones you see are the new 2012 models but they're not available for purchase yet, just preorder. They are only showing 560M because there's a non-disclosure until this Friday when the official specs should be announced. We're pretty certain the 660M, 670M, and 675M will be available. I hope that answers all your questions.

 

I was thinking the same thing. Glad I'm not the only one!

 

"may" as in "this is intended to"... You do realize this is a 61 page thread and yes ive been reading quite a bit of it, but it gets a little difficult to identify the important information amongst so many questions and answers.

Maybe a quick overview wouldn't hurt and it might even help every other person that is just now arriving to the thread, ie prevent having to scour though 61 pages of forum posts to just catch up.

 

Thank you Gear, that helps quite a bit. Are we then more or less advised not to order until the NDA expires?

Could prices on the models currently available go down as a result?

 

If you've read the first page and the title of the thread, you've got most of what we know. Most of the thread is speculation while we wait for the NDA to run out on April 5th.

 

XoticPC currently is offering $50 off if you order befire the NDA expires. After that, they will be contacting the people who pre-ordered to get their desired configuration finalized. I'm not sure if the price they have up now is the price for the previous model or if that's the price they expect the new one to sell at. Personally, I would be pre-ordering now to get the $50 off if I could, but I won't be ready to buy until May.

Edit: I'm not sure if the other resellers are offering discounts on pre-orders or not. Maybe somebody else will know more.

Edit 2: As far as the rudeness, hopefully you can understand that a bunch of these questions have been asked several times already. I understand it's a bit daunting to see 60+ pages. I'm not sure if I've even read the whole thing. Also, a lot of us have been following this awhile and are eager to hear more news, so with each new post we're hoping it's another leak. At this point, I'm probably more confused than when I started reading. I can't wait for April 5th.

 

I promise you that I do not intend rudeness. I probably should have just directed you to the answers, which can be found by clicking back one page.

Sorry.

 

Very very interesting... so a preorder does not mean you're getting an older model, but that you're simply agreeing to buy the newer model without absolute knowledge of the parts inside (minimally those parts listed, but no absolute knowledge of possible upgrades).

On your advice I read a little more closly and there is a lot of "speculation" to say the least. I hate to pester about it, but are we sure those who pre-order will get an opportunity to clarify the part requests.

Finally, a question that has been asked so many times before, i know: The 192 bit 560M and the (possible) 128 bit 660M; are people expecting a higher memory bandwith even though the 660M's bit-ness is lower?

Kevin, no hard feelings, no one likes to repeat themselves a million times. Edit: But is does give us something to talk about ;p

 

You are correct in your first sentence. You're agreeing to buy a new one knowing that pretty much nothing listed will be correct. I do know for a fact that Xotic will be contacting customers to make finalize the configuration they want once the NDA is lifted and the final specs are announced. I asked them this myself. You will not be charged until the configuration is finalized either. Also, if for some reason the NDA lifts and you decide you don't like what you see, you are not obligated to follow through with the purchase and there's no penalty for cancelling your order. I asked them all this, but feel free to contact them about it yourself.

I haven't been following the other resellers as closely as I've done business with Xotic in the past, but they're the only ones I've seen making this offer.

 

And to answer another question of yours yes the new models might be slightly cheaper, the graphics cards at least. The model in total will probably be roughly the same though because the motherboard supports optimus and possibly ivy bridge so that might cancel out savings on the graphics cards . Were all hoping for a late April early may release . For the ivy bridge it might take another month or so no ones sure but the 6xxm series will be out April almost certainly with optimus support to boot.

 

you've got this backwards..
8130 = P151HM
8131 = P151EM
8150 = P150HM
8151 = P150EM

HM's are the 2011 models and EM's are the 2012 models..

 

My mistake. Thanks for the correction.

 

Again, its speculation someone may have made already, but are we going to get matte screen options right off the bat, ie: features that were attractive about the previous 8130 model being included?

Does a new generation simply give the option of upgrading further or force specific spec changes, ie screens?

 

I believe the screens will pretty much be a carry over from the previous models. Depending if the supplier, AUO for most higher end screens, doesn't have a switch in their products offered.



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Carry? How, I guess it's probably going to be the same.

 

It'd be really great if they had IPS 1080p this time; or some of that 1500p actoin :/ ha.

 

Screens have no reason to change. 6**m will be a lot cheaper than 5**m, 580m was $700 or something crazy and 675m (which is 580m) is ~$300. I don't think the mobo should raise the price, changing how the GPU is wired won't add any new costs, would it? I heard a rumor that ivy may be cheaper, too, but no conformation. And the new keyboard will be stock on the P150EM, hopefully it won't raise the price too much. P151EM won't have one, for you penny-pinchers and touch typists.

 

That's what he meant. Carry-over = the same from last time.

 

I hope I can get a 670m or 675m with i7 2670 and 8gb ram and 750GB hybrid drive [seagate] for the same price as my same build with GTX 560m; i am reading that the 670m will cost the same as the 560m did? I'll put down an extra 50-100 for the 675m definitely; getting GTX 580m performance + optimus for the same price as my GTX 560m would be sweet , 100 bucks more wouldn't be bad at all either. IVB would be nice but hopefully they just make the mobo compatible and i'll upgrade that next year; because if they don't come out until June I"m not waiting; the optimus + cheaper graphics cards are much bigger to me than IVB

 

You think this is bad? Try browsing the DIY eGPU thread.

 

I'm pretty sure this thread will be clear as crystal on april 5th... until then, this is all (probably somewhat substantiated) rumors with some facts scattered in. That's what makes this thread fun.

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I really hope SSD prices drop. I want a 256 or 400 for 175 or 250 but I know it wont happen most likely. That plus some gtx 675m would be the best .

 

I read the entire P150HM and P151HM1 owners lounges. It took me about 3 months.

$400 for a 256GB drive? Too bad, not going to happen. I hope $330 floats your boat.

 

They have a 240gb ocz for 280 on newegg . Not bad, two of those would rule. i might be good with Just one and my 750gb external for movies and data.

 

Newegg had the OCZ 240 SSD amounting to $220 or something with rebate and free mass effect 3.

 

With all of the cpu, gpu, keyboard and other upgrades, It'd be awesome to see the screen move up a notch or 2 as well, since Apple is possibly going to release their 2012 macbook pro with 2880x1880 res,

 

But that's only a good deal if
A. You trust rebates, and
B. You trust OCZ. There are plenty of people who trust neither.

Regarding the resolution debate, 1080p is fine on a 15.6" screen, I'd only want something higher on a 17 incher. Now, what I do want on any screen is 16:10...

 

even a 2600 x 1500 or 2100 x 1300 idk what options they can do. 1880 is pretty high if macs get those and kepler 660 and ssd they would be extremely awesome, even gaming ready. apple is going to make a killing along with lenovo in my opinion. i hope clevo comes up with some sweet models hopefully new designs altogether. a 13.3 inch ultrabook from clevo would be awesome along with the new 15.6s.

 

I hardly doubt 660m would be capable of handling much gaming at that resolution. I think large 17.3"-18" Matte screens at the resolution would benefit for productivity stuff, a 680m or 7990m would probably be able to game decently at that resolution.

 

2880x1880 would be 1440x900, just crisper, because of HiDPI mode. a 3840x2160 15.6" would be much more expensive and be unable to be sent over LVDS, and these computers are LVDS, so no. eDP is the only way.

 

gtx 675m could do some 1880p, games might run at medium instead of ultra but man would it be crisp medium ha. Yah most likely well get 1080., laptops need to hurry and come out I'm already growing impatient

 

It's strange, ive never purchased a labtop on a new gen release date, its exciting, but I'm a little nervous about price hikes. I'm left asking myself what we can expect for the same price of the old model, say 13 - 1400 dollars. Are these sort of transitions, or releases, generally successful for sager?

 

I saw some prices of these models in a turkish website and thought of sharing with you guys.

P170EM: Monster Notebook
P150EM: Monster Notebook
W110ER: Monster Notebook

Given that a TL (Turkish Lira) = 0.56 USD, these general prices of the laptops are fairly high compared to US.

However,

1. The upgrade from 670M to 675M cost 330LR=$185
2. The upgrade from 670M to 680M cost 930LR=$521 !!!

But the sweet thing is that the 680M might be delivered from July-September....Still a long wait....

 

Big question about the 2012 Clevo line:

Which models have Mini Pci-Ex slots (34 or 54)? I know about the P270WM that has them, but that model is out of the question for me. (my rant thread is still there somewhere)

I need a model with a Mini Pci-Ex slot, no matter if 15" or 17". Which models are rumored to have them?

 

Out of the P series, the only one that will have one is the P270 and maybe the P370 if/when that comes out.

Put the standard 15/17 won't have one.

 

Nothing else to do but raise my hopes for the P370, then.

 

sweet thing? lol most of us thought it would be June..

 

Will the 675m be available for the p151em and p150em or only the 151?

I don't want to have to pay extra and have an extra thick laptop for the mostly useless backlit keyboard. It sucks how the GTX 670m is so much weaker than the 675m. :/

Also since the temps are possibly much lower on these GPU's [I heard 62 is the max in Celsius for the 670m]. Will there be room for a 20% OC possibly? This could make the 670m almost as powerful as the 675m. Or the 675m more powerful than the GTX 580m by a good 10-20%.

 

Keep in mind that there's zero difference in performance between 675m and 580m, because the card core and the clocks are the same. They're not different as it happened between 485m and 580m.
I still don't understand why a lot of people's thinks that 675m will be 10-20% more powerful than a 580m. It's the same card, is not even clocked higher!

 

Got that backwards.. P150em had backlit keys and the more powerful GPU's..

 

Oh; thanks hizzaah sorry its confusing with these model numbers being so close I figured the higher number 151 would have more features ha.

And Kingpinzero I know it is the same as a 580m; I said if it ran cooler because of new modifications [it supposedly runs much cooler than a 580m] then maybe we could squeeze in a 20% OC and make it better than one.

 

There are no new modifications, only new firmware to change it's name in GPU-z and the like.

 

Except that now it is like a 580m with Optimus. Which is a humongous plus. Oh and not to mention it is HALF the price.

The bang for your buck on the 660, 670, and 675 are all awesome.

I might have to get the 660 because of my budget but I'm hearing from some sites/ early reviews from china that the 660 is similar to the GT 570m; with overclocking 15% it will easily surpass the 670m. And since 660m is kepler it probably has room for OC [heat wise at least]

 

I hope to be able to get a P150EM with the 120w PSU and 660m..

 

580m had optimus. And 675m is less than half the price.

 

The 580m had optimus??? O_O? On clevo's?

I never knew ha. Yeah the 675m is a steal but I don't know if I can afford it; it's looking like the upgrade to 675m from 660m [stock in the 151em and 150em i think] is going to be around $200. If it is only 100-150 then I might do it. Otherwise I feel that the 660m will be plenty powerful if I can get it to OC to GTX 570m levels I'll be very happy; I was even happy with my GTX 560m; I played BF3 at 1600x900 on all High Settings and got 30 as min FPS, avg FPS around 40. If the 660m can do this but at 1080p then that would be fantastic; it seems reasonable that it can with a 15% or 20% OC due to it running cooler; I've heard it only gets to mid 60's C when running intense benchmarks like 3dmark11. My 560m would hit mid 70's C. Ha. Thats a vast improvement.