New 2012 Models Speculation Thread - PxxxEM Series (P151EM, P150EM, P170EM)

Is it possible to use a smaller adapter with less wattage if i turn on optimus and DON'T game. I was thinking about letting the big adapter 180w at home and for school 90w or something.

 

I'm really not sure if it's going to be worth it to wait for Ivy Bridge; do you guys think we should if we are on the fence? Or will SB provide similar [probably 10% less] performance but drain slightly more battery?

I'm just really in need of a computer it sucks not having one -_-

Does the P151em have the same noise problems as the P150em? Could the noise be caused by the new keyboard? Mobo?

 

Do not be. Even with the i7 2920XM (with a raised max TDP) I do not have 80-90 C for the CPU.

Probably the guys from MySn gave too thick thermopad for the power section of the CPU, the CPU core does not adhere properly to the heatsink and it was not properly cooled. Hence the increased acoustic noise.

 

When you say that I can upgrade, does that mean I have to buy the parts and implement it myself or send it back to the reseller I bought it from (will most likely be malibal) for a price to upgrade it? Because my macbook is getting reallllll ty and it breaks down everyday so...

 

Depends what Ivy Bridge you are aiming for.
If you compare 2720QM with 3720QM (which is fair) you get:
Base speed: 2.2GHz vs 2.73GHz (I added a extra 130MHz due to 5% clock for clock increase)
Turbo boost Quad: 3.0GHz vs 3.57GHz (added a extra 170MHz due to 5%)

So what you will be seeing is that the Ivy will run atleast 500MHz (around 19% faster) faster than Sandy Bridge. Pretty shure that will count for something

Battery life was suppose to increase with Ivy Bridge but after seeing some reviews I don`t think you`ll notice much to be honest.

 

The pricing on the 3720QM will probably line up with the 2760QM. I hope that Intel gets their act together and puts out the 3610QM on the 29th as well.

 

Yeah at this rate I'm going to just stick with the i7 2670, the others are out of my budget anyways; won't IB cost a little more than the equivalent SB?

I'm thinking a P151em with these stats :
i7 2670
8GB DDR 1333mhz
GTX 670m
Corsair Accelerator for Caching [link on bottom]
500GB 7200rpm 16mb cache drive

It will come out to $1320 Roughly. I am a little hesitant on the caching drive and its software but many people say that it works fantastically. And a 60GB cache will store the OS pagefiles + all my programs in cache giving them SSD like speeds [people say roughly 2/3 of the speed].

Newegg.com - Corsair Accelerator Series CSSD-C60GB 2.5" 60GB SATA II Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

 

Any idea for how much the April 29th Ivy Bridges might cost?

 

Around 100$ higher than the SB now but can't confirm anything though

 

Then you are getting robbed

 

wait ok so the only things that changed are:
-better battery life (optimus)
-backlit keyboard
-ability to upgrade to ivy/kepler later?

 

Oh. I guess you are.................... Are you?

 

Cheaper 580M AKA 675M.

 

Lets just say our pricing for IVB does not indicate +$100 over its SNB counterparts. So if someone is trying to sell you that, they are just getting some quick $

 

What would be the expected performance difference between the 670M and 675M? I can understand why some people would want it, but is it necessary for smooth gaming?

 

Man I almost want to wait for IB but 3 more weeks gahh ! So it will be 20 percent better with no increase in price ? Will there be a 2670 equivalent because that's the one I'm budgeted for. If they are more than that then idk.

 

Anywhere between 15% and 25%. I'm not buying laptop every year, so I would pay the extra $100 for that. Although, since the 680M/7970M are on the horizon (according to some rumors May-June/July) I would rather wait and pay a little more to get Kepler or GCN card.

 

Hmm... I was just thinking about this and here is another idea.
1) If we upgrade our network card to the Bigfoot 1103/Intel 6300, do we still get to keep the mSATA slot?

2) If we do get to keep that slot, does anyone know if we could get a mSATA SSD and use it to cache a mechanical drive that could be put in the optical bay?

 

Yes you can put an msata SSD cache in there. Not sure if the Bigfoot network adapter takes the slot

 

Yes the mSATA slot is the TV Tuner/3G slot, the WLAN card is a different slot. I would suggest using the mSATA for a bootable drive, I have one on my laptop and saves a drive bay =)

 

I wonder if the optimus technology is worth the upgrade.

 

Optimus is worth the upgrade if you like to have longer than 2 hours of battery; with optimus these can get 5 hours. I'm probably going to order mine tomorrow; think I might just stick with the 750GB Hybrid drive as I had it before and it worked fine; I don't really want to spend an extra $150 on a 120GB SSD or cache drive anymore.... So many choices...

 

Or if Clevo have a good dynamic cooling solution, then Optimus will give you a quieter notebook when doing office work since it removes the heat the GPU produce (atleast most of it), which is very important imo

 

Yes. I would personally wait for Ivy bridge though. Perhaps buy now with an I3 and then buy the Ivy CPU and upgrade later.

 

I completely agree. Except I've been looking for 15(?) months (dec 2010). I've narrowley avoided being chumped so many times by waiting and researching that anyone who tells me that patience is not a virtue is automatically a troll. Now, I've finally settled on a p150em from mythlogic with 675m and 3720qm and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that I will be satisfied.

 

I wish you good luck with that jet engine. Clevo should have gotten spanked by building something this loud. Its outrageous imo

 

I can't belive how fast this thread is growing. It's almost doubled since a week ago...
Anyway, I'm outta here. See you guys in the p150em owner's lounge.

Edit: that "jet engine" I'm going to blame on a defect until other users can conferm that there is indeed a design flaw.

 

Is it really that noticeably loud? If I'm going to use it in class it has to be quite when I'm not running the Graphics card. Is the P151em also that loud? Maybe its loud because of the new backlit keyboard or the heat that it generates due to the lighting??

 

Yes it is. Even at idle it can reach around 40dB, around the same audio level as many gamer notebooks have when gaming. So much use for that Optimus...
47.9-53.6dB when gaming is BS. Must be some kind of record. Believe me, you`re gonna hear that notebook even if you crank up the volume on your speakers. It`s more noisy than the MSI GT783DXR in fan boost mode, best described as a blow dryer

The LED lights under the keyboard does not produce any noticable heat. Its the GTX 675M and the Sandy Bridge that produce the heat. Combined with a CRAPPY cooling solution. Don`t know if its fixable with BIOS update or not.

 

One thing you have to keep in mind is that noise tests are very subjective (unfortunately typically due to error caused by the person doing the testing). I can't imagine that the EM series is louder than the HM series when it probably uses the exact same heatsink/fan combo. I'd like one of the retailers on this forum to test it out and see what they think.
50dB sounds absurd to me.

 

You people are really making it worse than it is! By all means yes, 50 decibel isn't that much at all.... Really, I can surely live with 50dB.

How loud was that noise? - Check it out

Also don't forget most people are probably playing a game when the actual machine is under HEAVY load, either that or listening to some music or has the whole machine connected to a external screen and keyboard which sets the computer base a little further away making the 50dB sound like 40~ or less.

 

Here is a comparison between Alienware M17x R3 with 2820QM and the GTX 580M (same GPU as the Clevo) and the P150EM. Not only is the Clevo loud but its much hotter.
The pictures speak for themselves..

Back to the drawing board Clevo



Alienware M17X R3


Clevo P150EM

 

That is seriously awful. Is the P151EM suffering the same drawbacks?? Man I was so excited to get another Clevo, I had the P151HM and it was great but I returned it to get one of these. This is absurd though; I need it to be quite and cold; at least the same as the last one I had.

Now I might have to wait for the new Lenovo's with 660m and Ivy Bridge and 1080p screens, they are supposedly priced at 1,100-1,300 which is perfect considering it comes with Windows 7.

Also the new ROG Asus with the same/similar specs. The Asus will probably have better cooling, price is supposed to be around $1,300 with the low end quad core Ivy and 8GB ram and 750GB hybrid and 660m.

Perfectly reasonable price imo.

I might wait for them now that this is coming up...

 

in that case, asus rog it is then o.o guess im waiting... and waiting... again...

 

To the people who preordered on xotic, did you get an email asking to clarify what options you want now that the NDA is lifted? I want to wait for Ivy bridge and the 660 and i want to make sure they know. Hm. I shot them an email but no reply yet

 

You don't think the m17x has any advantage over the 150em? Such as being much larger, allowing for better heat and noise dissapation? I'd like to see the dB measures from another site. Not saying those measurements aren't accurate, I'd just like to see them confirmed/denied by a website I trust a bit more.

I'm not saying the EM's are gonna be quite but it's still impressive when you think about what they're sticking in a 15" form factor.. I do think it's a bit odd that Clevo didn't figure out their fan profiles so that it wouldn't be on all the time. Wonder what the heat's like using Optimus.. Hopefully they at least have the fan profile for that set right so that the gpu fan is off, thus creating less noise and helping in reducing the battery loss..

Are there dB measures of the 170EM?

 

Why the 17" vs. 15" comparison?..

IDK but the 15" P150EM does seem to be loud if it is really 50dB.

But to be fair, let's see how the P170EM fairs up against the M17x.


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Don't really get the recent fuss about the noise thing. if i have been waiting months for this laptop, i don't think a little noise is gonna stop me from getting it

 

oops, silly me thought the P150EM was a 17inch.

Yeah the comparison between it and M17x is unfair then. Sorry guys.
But I`m still sticking with that over 50dB is too loud. And idling at up to 39dB is also too high. But I guess thats what you get when packing so much hot components inside a 15inch. Noise is subjective though. I couldn`t stand this noise personally.

 

We sell both...and believe me the Alienware is not only louder, it is MUCH heavier.

 

Well, it's made by Dell, so it that supposed to be a surprise?

 

Now it is.. Sadly

And regarding the P170EM. http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests...notebooks-xmg-p702-gtx-675m-nkpes-nkrt-1766/1

Have fun

 

Shouldn't we wait for a few more reviews before we condemn the new line? The sky may not be falling after all.

 

Looks like P170EM notebook have pretty much the same noise levels as the M17x, few dB above the Alienware. 47.2dB at full load and 33.6dB when doing office work because of Optimus.

 

So... the P150EM fan noise isn't as bad as we thought it was...?

 

Oh no it is still pretty bad in my opinion.

 

Have you actually used one, or are you going off of speculative reviews?

 

I've used one but it is nowhere as annoying to be honest, so really, you don't have to worry about the fan.

 

Well, whether he has used one or not, the fan of the P150EM under load will still be 50 dB nevertheless.

Now I'm just wondering if IB + 660M is worth the wait or if I should just get a P150EM with a 675M + i7-2670QM soon.

 

I'm looking to buy a laptop before I go off to University in the fall, would you say that the sound at idle will be quiet enough? The last thing I want is to have a laptop that everyone can hear running during a lecture.