New 2012 Models Speculation Thread - PxxxEM Series (P151EM, P150EM, P170EM)

I'm still not convinced. I could put together a dB measurement that says its 20dB, or one that says its 60dB. They don't say what they measured it with, how far away, what ambient was like. If one of the resellers could fire up a HM and an EM side by side and see how they compare, that would be great.

 

Assuming it's the same heatsink and fan as the HM, you will have an issue if it is in a totally quiet classroom - fan cycles up and down if you don't have good idle temps (good paste, undervolt, etc.).

It is a bit noisy when under load, but unless you're in a library or something running intensive games, I won't worry. It's nowhere enough to wake up a sleeping roommate- that is a super-exaggeration.

 

How much does/will IC Diamond 7 help with heat/fan?

 

Yes they did. Go look at the graphs again. They say which device they used and what distance they measured from.

Believe anything you want. There is no use talking negative about noise from the notebooks anyways in subforums since everyone is always super defensive about their brand of choice. My bad

Like now when I`m sitting here typing this and its night and everything is quiet, the last thing I would want is noise. And I`m not the type that settles with "you can drown the noise with music/when gaming/headset" either. I think thats a pretty bad excuse for a problem that is really there.

I`ve said enough about this. Continue with the discussions. Cloudfire out

IC7, Arctic Silver etc is always better than the stock paste OEMs slap on. If it reduce enough heat or if the notebook have a dynamic cooling system that varies along with these temperatures depends from OEM to OEM and from notebook to notebook

660M will most probably be cooler. 675M is much more powerful than 660M so you have to ask yourself what performance you really need. Clevo could build quieter notebooks with 660M or they could put out a similar noisy design as this one. You have to wait for reviews to find out I`m afraid.

 

I mention that as a systems engineer who has to meet some very stringent requirements of design. I'm not a fan boy of clevo, I just question how the same design as last round would be so different. I see it the chart where they mention stuff, but usually in a report on noise level you have to explain your test set up in detail for it to be worth a lick of salt. If it is indeed that bad, I will look for something else to purchase, but like a good consumer, I am asking questions before I purchase something.

What system are you running right now?

 

It's not bad at all guys, seriously to me it wasn't as loud as the M17x R3 that I used for a brief period of time.

But I really don't remember now, but I wasn't too worried with the fan at all.

 

You do realize we are talking about the "new" models?

 

I guess many of us will be waiting for more information on the noise produced by the new models before purchasing... If anyone has received their set, could they please update us on the noise level generated by the fans?

Like a few others here, I will be using the notebook in a school setting, hence the need for silence (or at least near silence) under little or no load.

 

Gosh, to be honest, I am a little spooked.

I'll admit a secondary source is always needed, this just isn't the type of thing you can ignore.

Do we know whether this issue is specific to the 675M model or the 670M as well. I am worried that tommorrow I will be asked to confirm my order and may not be ready to. The sound issue is one thing, but with a fan issue you also have posisble overheating issues. I am coming form a labtop with overheating issues... i do not want those again...

 

And how are they different from the old models, same power draw, same cooling system.

The system they tested may have had crappy thermal paste job or no ventilation/cooler at all.

I vouch my experience assuming they are the exact same cooling systems, which they seem to be.

* And I'm not linked in any way to Sager/Clevo, I'm giving my opinions on what I experienced. *

 

No email yet, and I even emailed them myself but haven't gotten a reply. I'm sure they'll respond on Monday though.

 

I`m sorry, I wasn`t accusing you of being a fanboy. I was just mentioning that in general people are pretty defensive about criticism about their notebooks. Questioning is always the way to go since you find out so much

I don`t know if Notebookcheck use the right tools or if their methods is correct but I do know from own experience that the notebooks I`ve owned is described pretty accurate. But maybe you should listen to Ryan, he seems to know a thing or two about these notebooks

The notebook I`m using right now is the Asus G53 with GTX 460M and 720QM. Need a replacement pretty bad to be honest but no way in hell I`m buying anything other than Ivy + GCN/Kepler

 

I hope as much as everyone else that the Notebookcheck results are skewed results..

Hopefully Kepler / IB will spice things up a bit.

 

"Something" is obviously different as those sound measurements do not match the previous model. It could be the optimus positioning... i dunno, i didnt own one, but i dont think this would be an issue if they had come out sounding the same as the older models... not to mention the new cards are "hotter".

 

Hmm, I was under the impression 675m was a simple rebadge of the 580m.

To be fair, we(as in the forum members) never had any fan complaints for users with the P150HM/580m combo, so there must be something weird going on, although I myself can't pinpoint which.

Let's hope Xotic can do a video review as they've always done so for us in the past, and they've always ran it while doing benchmarking so we should be able to gauge what the fan noise is like.

 

I hope this gets solved; I want a laptop ASAP :/. Not being able to use Photoshop or play games is just killing me haha.

 

Meh, if the fan isn't too bad w/ the 675M I hope they'll release an IB version w/ the 675M. Not liking SB that much haha

otherwise 660M is fine, I can just OC it to 670M levels.

 

On average 4-5 C lower.
IC Diamond Test Results - CPUs - CPU-Components

 

Will the p150em be compatible with this adapter from kensington, with optimus turned on and maybe with battery saving on in windows.

http://www.kensington.com/kensington/us/us/s/1717/absolute-power.aspx

I am only planning to use this at school. so no gaming involved just alittle word, surfing and maybe photoshop. I dont want to carry the HUGE brick to school. At home i will use the regular brick.

 

I think the 80W gap would be too much. Is there a way to completely turn off the dedicated GPU, I thought optimus controlled it by itself.

 

I understand the 670m is rebadged of 570m, but doesn't it consume more power than it? I remember see the chart comparison somewhere on this forum, but don't remember which thread. If it uses more power, then it may very well be hotter and the fan has to kick into overdrive to cool it down. Same goes for 675m of higher power consumption than 580m.

 

Does anyone know what the ETA for Ivy Bridge/Kepler stuff would be? I have an order in with Xotic for a P151EM, but I'm not sure if I want to wait another couple months for the new stuff.

 

They should be out at the end of the month. The Intel NDA expires April 29th. The 660M is expected to launch around the same time. You'll have to wait until May or June for the 680M though.

 

Regarding the 'fan noise' issue, please be aware that this same time last year there was also 'loud fan issue' on the P150HM which was resolved by a BIOS + EC firmware upgrade. Tomorrow I would like to personally look into this with our retail stocks of the P150EM. I would like to see how it compares to the P150HM and will make a noted difference.

From the period I have spent already with the P150EM I didn't personally notice any difference with it to the old model, if anything it sounded quieter most of the time.

I would say there is a few reasons this could be on the review:

1. Maybe they had FN +1 enabled
2. Maybe they had a test EC firmware
3. There was not a correct installation of cooling paste, or off balance fans.

I will do some further test tomorrow, but I think it's too early to jump the gun and say there is an issue with the fan noise.

 

Anyone knows when the 3D version the P170EM will come out?

 

That is an unknown ETA at this time. It would only be guesswork, with no real time line upon which to rely.

 

Thank you. It seems everybody is quick to jump to conclusions based on one review, when several other retailers have noted that it doesn't seem abnormally loud.

Furthermore, the German review's numbers imply that it's louder than an M17x. Meanwhile, powernotebooks, who sell both models, has said the P150EM is quieter than the M17x. Lots of fear-mongering going on.

 

Yes, almost looking forward to that post more than I am the email asking me to confirm my order!!

 

This may already have been posted somewhere.

 

1920x1200!!!! Please!!!

 

was following P270WM until it gets delayed.. now switch to P170EM..

read up most of the post and decide to wait until 29/4 to get IB and 675M.

Just one question, as i am not hardcore gamer, probably 660M or 670M is also enough for me, but as i don't mind paying some more to get the best card as for now... The only concern is, will 675 generate more noise and consumes more power during normal usage? If the answer is yes, i may back to 660 or 670 then...

Thanks.

 

Now that I would like to see especially if it is a good quality IPS panel. I wonder if the nvidia 700 series will be out around then as well. Might make a really interesting rig.

 

I watched the video and was not to suprised by the fan noise, i mean.. i was expecting a blow-dryer but they honestly just sound like fans ;p

(Video posted in 9150 owners lounge.) Prostar Clevo P170EM gaming laptop video review (Compare to Sager NP9170) - YouTube
Edit: Video of 150EM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZPPAJ147pQ&feature=relmfu

Two questions:

1) What are the comparable differences between the new 9130 and 9150 that justify the extra $200 if you are not planning on upgrading to the 675M for $100 more? (Which is only optional for the 9150)

2) Could choosing the 670M over the 675M cause a dramatic difference in fan noise output?

 

1920x1200 in a matte 95% gamut version and all other manufacturers can file for bankruptcy.

Seriously, nothing else would be worth considering.

 

1) the NP9150 has a backlit keyboard, while the NP9130 does not. Not sure if you can replace the keyboard on the NP9130 to the backlit one on the NP9150, current indications are that you cannot. edit: not to mention a heavier 180W power brick for the 9150 and the rubberized finish, as compared to the lighter but still significantly heavy 120W power brick and plastic finish on the 9130

2) Not very sure, but from what I read, the 675M runs hotter and has a higher TDP than the 670M. This would mean increased temperatures, and the fan would have to work harder to dissipate the heat, which would result in increased fan noise output for the 675M. As to "dramatic" difference, I doubt there will be much difference, but there will be a difference, but probably only under heavy load. Note that I do not have the actual GPUs to compare, so whatever is written above should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

How would they fit it into a chassis made for a 16:9 screen?

 

Question to resellers:
- Is the gtx675m in hand and available? Seems that I can't find it around the usual places.
- can we make a request like testing the 675m in the old p150hm to see if it works or are we asking too much? I know that most resellers are very open to user requests, can we make this happen?
At least to nail down if it works or not?

 

We'll publish compatibility as soon as we get done with backwards testing (AKA Old cards in EM shells)...

thanks

 

I was really looking forward to your input guys, as you remember I bought some spare parts from mythologic last December and my experience was nothing less than spectacular, I even posted in the reseller feedback forum but I never had a reply
So that means that you're testing the 675m/have already tested it in the old p150hm? Because if it works I'll be happy to place a second order pronto

 

We'll be testing in the HM's as soon as we get done testing the old cards in the EM shells So hopefully this week

 

I know im asking too much, but please keep us/me informed on how it goes. Probably the future 680m will not work, but i guess 675m since its a rebadged 580m could.

 

This question is directed toward Xotic PC. What are the chances that I will be able to configure the 660M with the NP9130 (P151EM) when it does become available? Will the price be lowered than what you would buy with the 670M considering that the 660M is suppose to be cheaper than the 670M.

 

This questions is basically impossible to answer right now. I can say we hope you can order it with that and assume the price will be lower. But until the 660M is released and pricing is available we cant be sure of it.

 

No ExpressCard slot on P150EM/P170EM.

 

Blasphemy! Looks like I will have to say good bye to my X-fi Express Card (.

 

P270WM still has it if you don't mind the lack of Optimus and its size.

 

I do mind its size actually.

 

So guys, do you think an i7-2670QM, 8GB RAM, 750GB 7200RPM HDD, and a GTX 675M will remain a decent mid-high range laptop for four years (provided it doesn't break)?

 

No its already nearly outdated, if you want a laptop to last as long as possible your best bet is still going to be to get the absolute newest tech, in this case Ivy Bridge with Amd Mobile Gcn/Nvidia Kepler.

 

Alright, but most of the new high end cards are just going to be too expensive for me waaaaaaah