New 2012 Models Speculation Thread - PxxxEM Series (P151EM, P150EM, P170EM)

I would say that its keeping "junk" posts out of the owners lounges for now.. Perhaps even preventing a barrage of new useless threads because people can simple come here to post their random/repeated questions.

Thread title might could use a change, but I for one would rather have this thread open for a little while longer..

 

scheduled to be closed when official units come in

 

Sounds like a plan any ETA?

 

Please don't tell me that means you shelled out for a quadro card...

 

I can't go Quadro not with that little cores in them. I'm a 3D modeler and a games developer so I don't need/want quadro. the rest is in my sig

 

just a question... what would cause you to use 32 gb of ram at a time. (present day ofcourse )

 

Well, so you can have the best sig on NBR, of course.

 

I thought the quadro was designed more towards 3D modeling and CAD... Please enlighten me. I've been wondering for a while the difference between gaming cards like the GeForce and the "professional" cards like the quadro for 3D modeling and CAD work. Is there that big of a difference, and if so in what areas?

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The big difference for Quadro cards is in the drivers and firmware, rather than the card itself. They enable features that aren't available on lower end Geforce models and they change the way the card processes calculations (precision is more important for workstation work, while speed is important for games). This is why they perform better than their lower tier cousins- not because they're completely new parts.

Nvidia Quadro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

The reason is simple actually I've a desktop system that has 24gigs of RAM and it's not even able to keep up with Adobe after effects and 3DS MAX (MAX alone in render mode can eats more than 22gigs). and Since I'm not in the office or at home most of the time I need a DTR that can follow me wherever I go so I can keep editing and modeling. My true system of choice was to be the P270WM I had laid everything out already but after the callbacks and the fail rate it isn't going to be release till sometime June imho. I chose a GTX675 over a Quadro for numerous reasons, one of which is that those cards DO NOT play nice with games and certain applications that I use, for calculations they are good, but for other things it's better to stay GTX.

 

Before the Quadro's became closed (locked) in bios. there was a hack you can do to get the system and nvidia drivers to recognize a Gefroce non Quadro card to actually install as a Quadro I've done this before and it really did have improvements over the original drivers, but I don't know if those days will ever come back.

 

I dont know if you guys are aware that Xoticpc put 7970 graphics card as an option on their website. Addition $200 for an upgrade. BUT ETA is late May =[

 

So you decide to wait until Late May, for the 7970 and as the time approaches for you to pull the trigger.....Nvidia Announces the 680 will be available late June to early July.....then someone announces a new mobo/keyboard/screen etc will be available in October... so you wait again. As October approache Intel announces the new Copperhead (No Idea what it will actually be called) successor to Ivy Bridge will be available in February..... as February is nearing the new ATI 8990 is announced on and on and on and..................

 

Wahh..the never ending wait. The curse of evolving technology. Since i orginally preordered and waiting for IB, i think that's all im going to wait. I want a laptop that can play D3 and 675 is more than enough.

 

Would a 670m be able to play D3 or GW2 relatively well?

 

Pretty well actually. Not necessarily everything cranked up to the maximum, but yes it should do just fine

 

I have decided to wait for the 7970M release on the P150M in May. Fortunately it doesn't look like Guild Wars 2 will be released by then. It ended up costing me more, but I think it is worth the wait for longevity of the system as a gaming machine versus the 670m.

 

If you have a NP9130 with a 2670QM, would one consider getting a 3610QM instead?

 

If you are saying you want to upgrade to 3610QM then no I wouldn't. It really isn't much more powerful than the 2670QM at all; maybe 10-15% tops. Not really worth buying a whole new card if you already have a nice 2670QM. I had the 2670QM for a while and it was perfectly capable of all new games even Skyrim , BF3, all that. Also it kicked butt in Photoshop even working with 4-5 large 5MB + files at once no problem [and i only had 8GB of ram].

 

Probably not, but it depends how much disposable income you have and what you plan to do with it

If you're just gaming, there are precious few games that will not already be bottlenecked by your GPU anyway. The performance bump on that CPU probably isn't enough that you'll see a major benefit for the cost either.

 

Is there a site anywhere displaying the mobile ivy bridge chips that will be available soon?

 

I didn't really understand the point of Intels announcement today. All they did was confirm Ivy bridge exists? which we knew? Is it the 29th to actually order? im a bit confused, thanks!

 

any resellers, can someone answer this question, it's technically possible for me to run the laptops without putting the mxm dGPU in there right ? assuming it's pretty feasible to run only on intel iGPU

 

Yes today was announcement day, remember they still have certain things that large companies have to do as large companies, and that is respect the media blackout, here on the general internet we knew better.. So yea, 29th you can come and get'em.

You would think it would be, but they freak out and turn off without a dGPU in them.

 

^ aw man :/

 

I haven't been keeping up with the latest in mobile tech, but I see that 11.6" Clevo and it looks interesting to me, will it be getting any of the new Ivy Bridge CPU's and will there be a quad core option?

 

Yes and yes. It'll have an option of the 35W quad, the 3612QM. It'll also be possible to upgrade it to a 45W quad after the fact, but I'm not sure any resellers will give you that option in the config-it's a power and cooling concern.

 

Visit the WxxxEM thread for the 11.6" or the owner's lounge. 45W isn't officially supported, and the initial runs of the unit will only have Ivy Bridge Quad i7-3612QM because Ivy Bridge dual cores won't be available for a bit longer. You should be able to order with Sandy Bridge dual core however.

 

Nice, thanks for the info guys!

 

I think that M17xR3 and M18xR1 can do that. Double check on the Alienware forums.

 

I remember there being problems when Sandy Bridge first came out. There was some sort of large recall and everything practically stopped for 3-4 months.

Anyone have any predications that Ivy Bridge release will go smoothly this time around? I'm thinking of waiting 4-5 months to see if there are any problems.

 

The Sandy Bridge issue actually had nothing to do with the CPU's. It was a flaw in the chipset that could cause degraded SATA 2 performance over time (and only in rare cases). The HM77 chipset has already been shipping, since even before the Ivy Bridge CPU have been available. There can still be issues that pop up with Ivy Bridge CPU's though(granted I don't think Intel will make that sort of mistake again, especially so soon).

The Sandy Bridge chipset flaw was also caught only a few days after release, so very few customers were even directly affected other than those in line having to wait a bit longer.

 

it's possible to buy , in US , the 170EM barebone ?

the 151EM has throttle problem ( power supply is 120w ) ?

 

Hey everyone,

I'm ordering a p150em as soon as ivy bridge is available, and I'm looking to get a ssd + hdd in optical drive bay setup.. I just have a quick question for anyone who has more experience than me with this stuff. I'll get a 240gb ssd so OS and all software will be installed on it and hdd will just be for hd recorded video, hd movies, music, but also fairly big excel sheets or other formats that will contain database entries. I'll be accessing the data with matlab or some programming language.
My question is, will there be any benefit in partitioning the ssd to have a small cache for the hdd? Will I notice a difference in the time to open an hd video, or is the delay mostly the time for the media player to open (which would be installed on the SSD), i.e. which is the bottleneck? What about for large databases, would an ssd help? Am I better off just keeping those on the ssd?

What sort of set up would you guys have?? Thanks!

 

Im not sure if you can set up 2 partitions on your SSD and use the second for cache drive (first would be OS partition).

In any case, install ALL software on the SSD for maximum performance. You will notice NO difference if you open large video files on the HDD. Only if you copy or move them, it will be slower. If you just watch a video file on a HDD, no slowdowns will be noticed.

If you are creating (rendering) on a HDD, there will be a reasonable ammount of slowness. But if you render it on your SSD and then cut-move it to the HDD, you should be OK.

MS Excell sheets are better kept on the SSD. You are making a wise choice with the 240GB, this is a nice and fast SSD. I recommend Intel's 520 series or OCZ Vertex 3 or 4.

Just make sure your SSD goes into the primary HDD bay. The HDD goes into the DVD bracket. Reason: DVD bracket features a SATA-2 connector, whereas the primary has SATA-3. You want your SSD to support SATA-3 as well.

Hope that helped!!

 

P170EM barebone

 

So, it's almost time to start refreshing like mad for ivy bridge?

 

I don't think there are any Sager resellers in the Eastern time zone, so earliest would probably be XoticPC in Central.

But Mythlogic, Clevo system builder, is in Eastern Zone if you fancy a Clevo built system over Sager.

 

Oooh yeah, I forgot IB was tomorrow. That explains why someone's still manning the online chat on Mythlogic's site at this hour. only another half hour or so till they update their site.

 

With the new chipset, I think everyone released at the same time, which was eastern. I see no reason why it should be different now. But yeah, I am buying from Mythlogic, their phoenix upgrade plan won me over.

 

What are the details of the Phoenix plan? I haven't managed to figure it out yet, even though I'm going to be going with them... All I know is that they'll install new components for you rather than you doing it yourself.

 

Here you go
Basically, you ship it back to them at your own expense whenever you want, and they will give you whatever upgrades you could normally order it with at that time, only at a 5% premium. They also do a bunch of maintenance and run it through testing again.

By the way, ivy's here.

 

just to clarify a bit, the 5% cost addition is 5% above what it costs them to get the part. Since they order most things in bulk, you're probably going to getting a pretty good deal.

interesting to see that the 3612QM costs ~$60 more than the 3720QM.

 

Is there going to be any noticeable difference going 35W 3612QM vs 45W 3610?

 

Short answer: no.
Long answer: IC diamond would probably make a bigger difference. 3610qm should operate well under 35w on idle, the only difference is that 3612qm won't go as fast and not get as hot under load. Also, 3612qm has some of the features of the 3720qm that 3610qm lacks, like VT-d.

 

How about in terms of battery life I'm looking to maximize battery life woulld there a difference or at that price-point am I better off with a 3610qm?

I was hoping the 3612QM 35W + 45W 650M Kepler card would yield some good battery results...in the 150ER

otherwise for another 100 bucks I can get the 670M in the 150EM.

 

Then you should probably look in the ER thread, this thread is for EM's. Typically ivy will give you no increase in max battery life over sandy, but they use a lot less power under load. So, 3612qm would increase your battery life under load, but not while idle. Bear in mind that ivy is too new for us to have solid numbers, we will know more in a few weeks.

 

In terms of battery life a 3612QM + a 650M will do better than a 670M and a 3610QM

 

And when optimus is enabled? the gpu power difference there is huge.

 

I really wish we could get solid numbers for battery live with ivy, so many people asking and so little I can repeat to them.