New 2012 Models Speculation Thread - PxxxEM Series (P151EM, P150EM, P170EM)

I would like to know this as well

 

I'm guessing the price quoted now is for the parts available with the current configs, new parts comes in means new config and presumably higher prices

 

They said if you pre order now you lock in your price. Presumably you'll be getting IB procs and 6xx series gpus though. And you're not paying in advance, it's more of getting your place in line. They won't charge until they're ready to process your order (according to xotic anyways).

Unless intel pushes IB back enough to the point where Clevo decided it would be a good idea to use SB in mobo's for their "new" shell. I doubt they'd do this, they probably just delay shipment of the new models, but one never knows.

Although it seems the new mobo's will be backwards compatible with SB, so of SB is what's abailable when the new shells are ready to ship, that could be what you'd end up with if you still went through with your order.

 

I personally don't mind Sandy-Bridge with the GTS 560m, because I still have my doubts about Nvidia's optimus technology that will be offered for the upcoming refresh models.

I just hope that xotic will at least lower their price if IB and the new line of GPUs are delayed.

 

Guys, this discussion is too much...LOL

Sager has mostly sold their whole stock of current models.
They had planed to be able to sell the new one by now, but thanks to Intels delay they have nothing left to sell.
According to sources the new Intel platform is going to be released on 29th of April. Because of Intels NDA they can not talk about it. The IB processors may come later, but the new platform also takes SB.
And because they really want to sell you something right now they decided to take inofficial preorders for the new models and make no promises, because of NDA and because Intel may release the new platform with the IB chips only comming later.
If you want a current model Notebook right now with a garanteed shipping date you have to buy from original Clevo botique shops like Mythlogic, Malibal, Origin etc.

For people on the fence, the new models will add:

- backlit keyboards
- msata support
- Optimus (except on 3D screen versions)
- additional Display Port
- One of the USB 2 ports changed to USB 3
- The high-end Nvidia cards are the same just with a new name: (GTX570m>GTX670m & GTX580m>GTX675m)
- The new CPUs add a few Mhz and may run a little greener under certain conditions

Nothing there for me, but you make your own choice and place your bets accordingly!

LIFE IS GOOD, ENJOY!

 

This message is a placeholder for a month and a half of forthcoming wailing and crying

 

Prema, You forgot the most important. P150EM have a HM77 = XTU!
It's just a pity that Clevo gave mSATA at the place of WWAN.

 

I was about to order from Xotic until I read Prema's reply. If what Prema said is true, the April 12 ETA is just to give us hope of something they are fully aware that we are never going to get. I don't even care about the new chipset, IB, or GPU. If Sager or Xotic can give me the placeholder spec. that they have now by April 12 I will still order.

 

That doesn't guarantee anything. It depends on clevo really.
As you know, Prema is busy working on an XTU enabled bios for P170HM3 (HM67 without XTU support).

 

Ask them, they may also have small amount of current models on backorder...

 

Thanks Prema. I made an inquiry to the reseller. I'm leaving the US on May 5th and if it hadn't been for you I would have made my order and expect my order to arrive before my departure. You just saved me from going through all the trouble of cancelling my order and getting a refund. The $50 off deferred delivery doesn't seem like a deal now knowing that they won't be able to ship at least until April 29 even with the new chipset + Sandy Bridge combination.

 

Ask Mythlogic they should be able to get it to you in time, last time I heard from them they still had current models in stock:

MYTHLOGIC :: Computers | Service | Support

 

First full review posted:

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/770/770391_all.shtml#p1

ENJOY

 

The review says it is too heavy, and has very good cooling.
They like the eSATA/USB3.0 interface

 

very good cooling and this? 95 degrees?

 

That's good. 95 degrees with the oven baking GPU oriented Furmark, is awesome

 

i noticed that there is integrated display port, i wonder if you could run 3 monitors, by using the igpu in conjunction with the dgpu

 

I was expecting better results from a 675M

 

I expecting what I'd expect from a 580m from a 675m... that what it is.

Also, P150EM looks really thick, is that how the HM was?

 

It's supposed to be a little thicker because of the backlit keyboard, you can read about the dimension here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/649949-p1xxem-user-manuals-posted.html

 

So the GTX 670M = GTX 570M and the GTX 675M = GTX 580M, but is there any change at all? Like higher clocks, less wattage, etc.?

 

hahahahahaha sorry but %¤"! is this?!
Old Sandy Bridge Quad and 675M which is identical with a 580M. So whats new about this notebook? The design? It this even legal?

Resellers clearing stocks for this? It`s pathetic.

Hellhog: Here you go (PS: The pixel fillrate on the chart of the 670M should be a little bit higher since its a bit higher clocked)

 

I better get my 680m + 3720qm pre-order by April 12th

 

Here is the P151EM with GTX 670M and Ivy Bridge i5 3320M tested. Looks like they overclocked the 670M a little. They tested Vantage and such. God knows what is overclocked score and what is not.
Too many pics for me to upload manually. Sorry
EDIT: Did it anyway

 

So they are the same. Darn. I wonder what GPUs will be kepler then, when we will get them, and what the pricing are.

To be honest, I'd have no problem going with a GTX 675M since the 580M is a beast. But, cost wise, I don't want to spend that premium. What is know of the GTX 660M and from my understanding the 650M and 640M are GTX as classed as well?

I was willing to pay upwards a $1500 (throwing in an SSD as well). My builds came out to $1500 and $1750 on Xotic PC for the P151EM and P150EM respectively. I'd prefer to get something more powerful than the GTX 560M but I don't need it to be of GTX 580M power. The carrying around a 180W powerbrick doesn't really make me too happy vs the 120W but for the keyboard shown and for the rubberized finish I'd buy the P150EM over the P151EM. I just really want a kepler GPU.

It is hard for me to wait right now since my laptop is so outdated and has been falling apart more and more, almost had the right side monitor hinge snap off today just when opening it. Currently I use ghetto fixing with duct tape. I can wait till summer. I'd rather be ordering no later than late July so I have my computer by mid august and can get all the software I need on it and setup to my liking for my classes.

 

So its safe to assume that im perfectly fine with my 485m since it runs at 720/1850...24/7...im better wait for the 680m?
Because im currently pondering an upgrade...

 

I would presumably say wait for the 680M, it's going to be a long wait, but worth it. I can assure you about that, your current 485M is going to hold well by then, so nothing you should worry about, not that you do, but the 680M is supposed to be the insane GPU we've all been waiting for

 

I think it's safe to say we will see at least a 40% improvement with 680m(given that a 94W 7870 performs much better than a 560TI, and Kepler is supposedly the better arch), which is wellllllllllll worth the wait .

 

We will know a lot more March 12th. Kepler will be announced officially by Nvidia that date. 99% shure details about mobile GPUs will be revealed too.

12 March Is When NVIDIA Will Reveal Some GTX 680 Kepler Details - Softpedia
NVIDIA Kepler GK104 (GTX 680) Final Specifications Leaked
The SemiAccurate guide to Nvidia Kepler/GK104/GTX680 launch activities | SemiAccurate

 

Really disappointed with the 670m and 675m. Sadly the 680m will be out of my budget for sure. I can only wait for GTX 660m to see if it's a Kepler or not. If it's not then I'm settled with Ivy + 560m.

 

Yup, I just hope that the new Sager offers an option for the cheaper current gen cards for their new models along with IB, cause IB is worth waiting for sure, but 6xxm series isn't.

 

Only judging by the current EM bios revision...P170EM has XTU but don`t get your hopes up for P150EM.

EDIT: Credit goes to 慕容蛛蛛 & Saltius for providing us the bios files!

 

Forget to tell you, 慕容蛛蛛 is the reseller who provided those EM bios.

And you can see this ID on those 670M bench pics in post#324.
They were also provided by him.

 

Prema and Saltius, are You able to get the P150EM BIOS and after the code deduce whether it supports Intel XTU?

 

Sorry DUDE, trying to make it clearer:

The current bios of P170 EM has XTU and P150 EM has NO XTU support.
Though they may enable it if a big company like Sager would file a request...

 

I do not understand why Clevo did not want to build the best laptop in the world? Apparently they do not need my money.
Maybe Alienware wants?

 

Perhaps we should start a petition now even though nothing's official yet, maybe we can get them to change their minds if we get enough people on board...?

 

I somehow doubt there's enough people willing to drop $1k on a processor to overclock it.

 

I was planning on being one of those people..

Not like there's significantly more people that buy them in the 17" model either. In fact I'm sure there's people that bought the 17" over the 15" because they could overclock the XM. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to at least not offer it as an option.

 

Aren't Alienware users overclocking all of the CPUs in their machines, XM or not?

That seems like the way bigger issue, which Clevo needs to address.

 

Really? I usually try to keep up with that sorta stuff but I haven't really given the AW a forum a look in a few months. I'll have to pop in. Thanks for the heads up.

Come on Clevo, make with the good BIOS already!

 

Clevo's aiming to fight AW head-to-head,

W11 to fight the M11x,
slim P150EM for the M14x,
P170EM for M17x,
and P270WM or equivalent for M18x,

but they lack on all fronts except for the price.

Warranty is next to none compared to Dellienware,
BIOS support and features are limited, not open for enthusiasts to choose Clevo over Alienware.

There has to be some improvements made, there is no reason to disable features on a truly enthusiast machine. Seriously, this is my gripe against Clevo.

 

I wonder if the resellers know a reason for the limited BIOS? Or if the resellers can express to Sager/Clevo that their customers are turning to Alienware because of the limited features/BIOS.

 

Too open, and one unimformed customer messes up the whole board, then resellers have to cover bla bla.


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I doubt many people are switching from Clevo -> Alienware. Prices aren't the same, and there's no 15" Alienware anymore If the M15x was still around there might be some good competition. Clevo probably realizes overclocking only intrigues a very very small number of their customers. Considering you can't really overclock a non-k/xm Sandy/Ivy, it's all multiplier based and unless you somehow figure out how to unlock the multiplier on a non-XM cpu you're screwed. XM's are also $1000 and sell the fewest, the OEM-only quad sells far more than that. But yes, Dellienware warranty is one of the best in the industry.

 

I guess that's true. Not really a direct Alienware competitor for the p150..

But still. As several people have said, the K/XM procs are +/- $1000 extra. Not every day that someone is willing to spend that premium just because. I wonder how many are actually sold.. If it only intrigues a small number, what's the harm on offering it? Especially if they want to have the most powerful gaming laptops around..

 

So so odd. I cannot understand why they won't improve these little things, imagine the possibilities? I do not see any downside to this? What the big deal.. come on Clevo. They've basically got everything in the palm of their hand, but for some reason they can't seem to hold it tight enough..... my god

 

If you sell a product knowing enabling some 'enthusiastic' features results in higher risk of harming the product in a 'really bad' way. And the cost of repairing (replacing) of the product is like 1/6 - 1/8 of the product itself. Would you still sell such product whilst providing warranty at the same knowing some customers probably gonna RMA 2-3 times a year ?

Most of us know that when we decide to crack/hack/unlock BIOS , we acknowledge the risk of it. Just simply one wrong value and it will brick the mobo (happened to me). If you want Clevo to factory unlock it, then Clevo would be unlikely to provide you warranty.

 

Then only offer it from the Clevo builders who warranty their own machines.. Distribute at their own risk kinda thing.

How many Alienware people are destroying their laptops doing this? Probably not that many.. Plus, Sager/Clevo/Resellers/Builders usually make a decent profit off their warranty sales. I'm sure a majority of these machines don't require any warranty work (within their warranty period anyways)..

 

That doesn't mean the BIOS and fan control have to be locked down so anally.