New 2012 Models Speculation Thread - WxxxER Series (W110ER, W150ER, W170ER)

Yeah, I hope it's not super thick though to fit all that power.

 

I'm willing to take super thick if that is what it takes to handle the heat load. Length and Width are the measures I'm most concerned with. I don't often walk around palming a closed laptop so the thickness matters less to me. It's open in my hand or in its carrying case.

I can understand that my use case is not normal but that is what Clevo caters to, abnormal usage cases. I might not feel the same in 30 years but for now weight and thickness come after L*W and power.

 

Thickness and length/width are all concerns if you're even considering a 11.6" laptop, otherwise why such a small screen.

 

I still don't understand why there's a GT 650M w/ GDDR5, when that looks like exactly what the GTX 660M is, technically.

Or maybe there's something else about the GTX 660M which we haven't learned yet.

 

Because of length and width concerns.

Those are the two dimensions that influence the space it takes up if you're using it in a crowded environment or have a limit on the size of bag you can bring with you. I can fit a 11.6" laptot and a trackball mouse on a airline or train seat tray due to the forms width and length. I can't do that with a 14 inch laptop and its a close fit with a 13" one. This applies to a number of limited space usage scenarios. In all of these the thickness of the laptop doesn't really play into the usability equation.

It also influences how much torque is applied to your hand as the farther out a weight is while bring carried the more difficult it will be to hold while open. Weight has a great impact upon this usage mode but if the weight is assumed to be the same the more compact one will be easier to carry one handed while open.

The total weight of the system I will agree is likely of greater importance to most people who are looking at this size but I'm speaking of only myself, and am concerned with my needs. Which do not take weight into great account. I am making no effort to generalize and say everyone has this same concerns or even that any more then a small fraction do, but rather am speaking purely of what I would wish to receive. I'm not the person who has to weigh whose desires and concerns are the ones to receive a greater priority. I'm expressing mine so that those who are the ones who will be doing that balancing know of them.

 

Unless they change the Memory Bus Width, I wouldn't see the special thing about the 660M.. We'll see tomorrow.

 

So it seems the 650m in the W110er is just DDR3.. But still thats soooo much power in a 11.6 inch notebook

any infos on 1080p?

 

that is just plain sad, since for me it would be one great way to return to windows machines. A 1600*900 screen in a 13" notebook aint hard nor difficult to read, and it gives me some space to work on

 

yes, who needs such power in a 11.6 inch notebook, screen is just too small for serious work or gaming..

And it will be thick, also its heavy, 1.8 kg is uberheavy for a 11.6 inch notebook

 

Better heavy and thick then to not have enough cooling capability or battery power. At least it means they are building it to work well and not just to have nice marketing specs.

 

Here is a translation from a native Chinese speaker and not google.

So it looks like we might have some solid numbers and benchmarks this weekend!

 

I want this. And a surgery with LG P225 screen is necessary.

 

thats quite debatable, I see a lot of people carrying DS, PSP, and some other mobile gaming devices.

But it is indeed to small for me, as I said my main pc is my notebook. And Im still wondering if buying a large monitor would be a great investment, since Im not at home most of my time.

 

Well sure, but you can game on a DS or PSP when on the move..

With a notebook like this you wont be able to do portable gaming, you still need a power socket, or else the battery will drain extremely fast and the gpu will probably run at a lower mhz (like in the m14x when its on battery)

 

I guess that's the main difference between laptop machines and portable gaming devices, power draw! Future where are you?

 

thats just the way that the power output of those batteries work, unfortunately they dont provide enough juice when you stress something. Even my HD3000 loses performance

 

very hot

yes very hot!

Here with an ULV Processor and 640m (which reaches 93 degrees)

Acer Aspire M3 Timeline Ultra test

 

The problem is they seem to be trying to use the same batteries across their lines instead of building a higher current battery for the higher performance laptops. Most of the current laptop batteries now that I'm looking after finding out about the w520's throttling on battery seem to deliver ~110W or less on both the smaller and larger laptops. There is no knowledge barrier or need for research for higher current batteries as electric cars have been pushing for years at battery current performance. They just need to be willing to accept the higher price from having a battery that isn't used across all their lines to supply enough current to meet high performance needs.

Yes, that will result in decreased run times(You'll still be getting 60-70Wh from the package but will be drinking it faster) but I'm willing to accept that. Why spend extra for portability if you can't use it away from a outlet?

I haven't seen or read anything about the iGPU having performance issues on battery? Can you provide some references and examples of this issue? From my research if there is any throttling of the iGPU it should due to insufficient cooling ability and not the inability of the battery to deliver sufficient power.

 

anyone knows how portable the power brick is?

 

It's heavier than the notebook.

 

Something tells me it will indeed be heavier...

 

w110er=45w cpu+45w gpu
so maybe a 120w power brick
dell 130w slim for exp:

 

If it's a 120w brick, that sort of kills the purpose of a 11.6 screen. And it'll make it a lot harder to call this an ultraportable. *desperately hopes for great battery life*

 

Going to be a 35w CPU, not a 45w CPU. So 35+45=80. 90W PSU I imagine.

 

I call a 100W PSU, sounds reasonable. Considering that the laptop should last a lot on the battery w/ Optimus on the other hand a powerful machine using the power outlet w/ the PSU making it strong as hell

 

the spec sheet calls out a 'Full Range AC adapter 90W, AC in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, DC output 19V, 4.74A'

as for battery life the spec sheet calls out '410 minutes (UMA mode with 62.16WH battery)'

 

Okay the clevo probably has the GDDR3 650m..

The upcoming MSI GE60 for example features the 650m GDDR5 version.. And they are fat and clunky 15.6 and 17 inch notebooks, so the 650m GDDR5 probably needs relatively good cooling

Notebookjournal Upcoming MSI notebooks

In my opinion though the 11.6 inch screen doesnt cut it, even with 1080p (how damn small does everything have to be on it, even with windows DPI settings??)

They shouldve atleast gone with a 12.5, or even better 13.1 or 13.3 inch screen.. 1.8kg and a fat chassis for a 11.6 inch netbook doesnt cut it for me..

I actually had the m11xr3 for a short time, and the display was really way too small (and bad quality) so I sent it back..

I currently own the LG P330 (13.3 Inch notebook with i5, 555m, 1.7kg., between 6 to 7 hours battery, which is removable too).. I would be thinking about switching to a 650m notebook, but it would atleast have to be 12.5 inches and maximum 14 inches.. Atm only the Samsung Q470 is interesting, but it only has an i3 and a non removable battery and its probably only meant for the asian market

 

to each his own for me the 11.5" screen doesn't bother me and the smaller the footprint the better. I have to say I get a few strangers piering over my shoulder as I do some serious gaming on my bus ride commute to and from work

 

You cant game on battery, you need to plug into a power socket.. The GPU will probably be downclocked on battery and the battery would deplete very fast when gaming.. Another important point is, that it is very unhealthy to be depleting a battery that fast, it shortens the lifetime of the battery extremely

So if you want true portable gaming get a 3DS or PSVITA.. Or ride the bus with a powersocket xD

 

Well, you technically can game on battery and it depends on the notebook manufacture whether or not the GPU downclocks or not, and even then sometimes there are workarounds. I will agree that it is not healthy for the battery and it will shorten its lifespan, but I've never had a battery die on me before I was ready to move on to another machine. (upshot of the w110er is that the battery is not internal like the m11x and most likely won't cost $250+ to replace... like the m11x)

 

My buddy plays Skyrim on his m11x on battery, it's not that bad.

 

i am very excited to see this laptop roll out? sorry but is it a ULV cpu, i dont see how they are putting a full powered cpu and gt 650m in a 11.6 in chassis without overheating, nevertheless,if it all works out i sell my m14x on ebay and try to pick this guy up

unfortunately i saw some early pricing for the laptop at around 1300$ somewhere

 

Seeing as this is an ULV cpu, the battery can probably produce enough juice to run it at full power... this isn't a 580m we're looking at. And, the 3DS isn't as portable as you would think... If I'm playing it in a car, I have to turn off the 3D because it's impossible to keep my head centered, and I have to turn off the gyro which really kills the fun of Ocarina of Time 3D. 3DS is also about as heavy as my DSi XL, and it gets maybe 4hrs battery life. Just sayin'...

 

Here is a big question I haven't seen answered yet... are there any U.S.A. companies who are planning on carrying this laptop? so far I've only seen european, chineese and australian companies step up to the plate.

 

Can't tell if serious...

 

Actually that is a good question that Robamb2002 asked. Consider this, the MSI GT685 was only available in other countries but not in the USA, unless you got the barebones vesion which was the 16F2.

So really, we will have to wait and see if the 11-inch will be for sale within the US.

 

^^^^That's why I couldn't tell. *crosses fingers*

 

I called to a US based reseller, who replied to peoples questions in this thread, and their sales guy confirmed they would carry it but would not tell me when they would have it. He just told me to call him back the first week of April.

I'm not sure with all the spouting about NDAs and threats going around this thread if I should name the reseller.

 

The latest specs sheet (March 2012) shows the 110ER getting 410mins battery life.

 

Best not to. If someone's giving you juicy details that should be under NDA, the last thing you want to do is blow their cover.

 

For those of you who are too lazy to do the math, that's 6 hrs 50 mins

 

Not bad at all.. The P1xxEM models are looking at 360mins. I'm not sure under what circumstances these numbers are gotten, but they're still impressive. Especially with a 6 cell battery.

 

That's more than enough, but given that it's a 11" laptop you would think It'll have a little more juice... but its ok I guess

 

It'll have the option to run quad core+ whatever gpu they actually end up with, but it ismeant to be an ultra portable. Are there other portables with similar specs due out? What kind of battery life are they expecting?

Although I'm sure that number wasn't obtained on the dGPU lol.

1366x768 confirmed..

 

It's going to be the 35W quad if it actually has a quad core.

 

Good point

 

Problem with 11.6 inchers is there's not much room for a battery, so you have to settle with a smaller one. Anyway, I am totally digging the battery life on the P150EM. That's more than enough for me to leave the power brick at home when I take this to school.

 

My thoughts exactly

 

Early in this thread at least Mythlogic confirmed that they are going to offer the W110ER.

 

i would assume that sager would pick this up, i mean every "custom" gaming laptop company on the web uses clevo barebones