New 2012 Models Speculation Thread - WxxxER Series (W110ER, W150ER, W170ER)

if i do wait until the end of april or may for the quad cores how much do u think they would be... hopefulyl not too much, i saw on xoticpc that upgrading an i5 to an i7 quad was only 70$?

so hopefully pretty much the same pricing when ivy bridge starts rolling out, im so excited only regrets is the screen but really, i dont think that will be much of a problem being a student with a decent monitor set up in my room.

 

yes who cares about the screen, its only the most important part of the notebook right after the keyboard.. if you want a small portable pc why not get a HTPC

I really hope they offer some kind of screen upgrade, the size alreadys sucks, but please why not a decent quality LCD?

 

From what I've read its because it uses the LVDS instead of eDP for its display connection. Reading this PDF from pg 12 on will tell you what the difference is between the two. http://www.vesa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/DisplayPort-DevCon-Presentation-eDP-Dec-2010-v3.pdf

The problem seems to be that no LCD company has made any alternatives to the current panel in the 11.6 size for laptop using LVDS. It is the old display connection tech and all the new panels and development has been in eDP for the last two years. This limits the resellers such as mythlogic or xiotic who are the ones who are offering us all these display options that we've grown used to. Apparently Clevo doesn't setup that portion beyond a single panel they select based upon their criteria.

Talking to Mythlogic they plan to offer a Matte panel option but all other specifications will be the same as the current glossy besides the matte coating. They told me they hope to have it on offer soon but have to finish their testing and get stock delivered. The estimates I've gotten have been 1-3 weeks depending on stock delivery.

 

Probably around the same price. A new generation of processors doesn't necessarily mean a whole new price, especially considering the Ivy Bridge is essentially a refresh of Sandy Bridge (or at least it shouldn't).

And that i7 they have on Xotic is a dual core. Not all i7s are quad core. Blame Intel for that little bit.

Shame about that screen. So I assume that it's the same exact one as the m11x, then?

 

actually looking at 15 inch laptops on xoticpc u see that upgrading from an i5 2450m to an i7 2670QM cost only 70$ but doing that same type of upgrade to an i7 dual core cost 200$...... honestly lol i dont know why the quad core upgrade is so much cheaper.

 

Ah, yes, I was looking at the W110ER (i7 2640M). $200 for some higher clocks and 1M cache? Thanks but no thanks. I'll wait for Ivy Bridge.

 

the 2670qm is a low end quad versus the i7 2640m is a high end dual core.. Many games and application run even better on a higher clocked dual core versus a low end quad core like skyrim for example.. Also the i7 dual runs at a 35w TDP vs a 45W TDP of the quadcores, so its quite nice to keep power consumption and heat a bit lower

 

The 3612QM that will be available in the W110ER is a 35W TDP quad-core.

Higher dual or lower quad is a personal preference, but I'd hope we can all agree that quad is more future proof.

 

3612QM is BGA, so maybe 3610QM?

 

if i cant get a quad, then im going for low power consumption instead, i really dont want the middle so hoping i can get this thing in there i7-3667U

 

If 3612QM is the wrong socket, a dream dies. It's the only 35W quad being released in the foreseeable future. The 3610QM is 45W.

Update: I think it's compatible.

"Core i7-2675QM the package also changed, from 37.5 × 37.5 mm rPGA988 reduced to 31.0 × 24.0 mm BGA1224, still compatible with Socket G2 socket, 45W thermal design power remains unchanged."

http://www.drivershouse.com/drivers...-out-i7-2675qm-i5-2435m-gpu-acceleration.html

 

Only negatives i could see is no backlit keyboard( every laptop in this day and age should have one ) the screen res I can live with as long as its a good quality panel.
But the positives far out weigh any negatives, so when is out anyway?

 

unfortunately not a good quality panel haha

and its been out for a couple of days, atleast for ordering

 

hmm tempted really tempted, I can get one for $475 barebones (W110ER), but I plan on waiting till the 3612QM comes out.(should be around the 29th if rumors are true) I just want to know how much the 3612QM is going to cost me.

 

Just curious, where are you able to get the barebones?

 

I'm an official Sager dealer, I can get them barebones directly from Sager.

 

So the barebone is already in MP for shipping?

 

Holy crap. W110ER looks like it may be in my future. Is it really coming with 2GB GDDR5 - according to XoticPC site it does. I still would prefer a 13" with 1600x900 screen though.

 

It is confirmed to be 2GB GDDR3 video memory. Sorry.

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Thanks babyhemi for the confirmation (well kinda, wish it were GDDR5 ) Hmm, XoticPC better update their site then... hint hint. It shows 2GB GDDR5.

Also:

- backlit keyboard?
- quality matte screen option?
- usable battery life with Intel GPU?
- performance of CPU / GPU on battery?

One thing that I've become spoiled with on my Llano laptop is the ability to play games at 720p with the IGP and even the dedicated GPU if needed. The CPU and GPU are NOT gimped while on battery.

 

Nearly all of the questions are already answered if you are talking about the W110ER

-Backlit Keyboard = No
-Quality Matte screen option = No, but you can get the cheap quality LCD with a matte coating atleast.. (that means resellers apply matte display protectors on the cheap glare lcd)
-Usable battery life: Yes 410 mins on IGP
-Not really, still playable though, I think its about 70 percent less perfomance on battery, check the notebookcheck review of the acer aspire m3 with the 640m on that, that gives quite a good reference

 

There will be more official pictures and details coming in from Clevo very soon.

We have been told that it does not have a backlit keyboard. Hopefully Clevo will change their mind on this.....

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It was updated a couple days ago to show 2GB maybe clear your browser cache, I just double checked and it shows 2GB. Sorry for any confusion.

 

I can't speak to the second two as I don't have my hands on mine yet but there is no backlit keyboard on the w110er(for which I'm glad) but Mythlogic has said they are hoping to get a matte screen option available sometime next week.

The screen is a LVDS and they said the matte version will have the same specs as the current glossy. They are having a hard time finding any other options.

The battery on iGPU should be good according to the resellers as the design does incorporate optomus switching. The resellers say 410m battery life but no details have been given as to wifi status or exactly what is being run.

The CPU+GPU should be able to run at full power on battery as we are <100W power draw total which is well within the current delivery capabilities of your average laptop. The CPU is limited to 35W models and the GPU is supposedly around 45 but with turbo boost can pull 55W. I haven't read anything firm on the GPU specs but the CPU one is widely confirmed. The AC adapter is confirmed to be a 90W model which fits in with the speculation that it will be able to run at full speed off the battery.

 

Its not like that, they still downclock the CPU on battery or many times the GPU instead..

Source Acer Aspire m3 640m review

I think they do that to prolong the battery life, because when having a high power consumption (when your gaming for example) the battery dies (not only the present cycle but the battery in total) alot faster then under average usage

 

Does the W150ER have mSATA capability or not?

I was quite excited when I saw Mythlogic's page at MYTHLOGIC :: Configure Your System which has several options for mSATA SSDs, but then I stumbled across the W150ER spec pdf (attached) on a Chinese forum. It claims the second slot is for a 3G+USB card only.

Does anybody know if it really does support mSATA? Since the chipset is HM76, it obviously cannot be used for Intel SRT, but it would be great to have it anyway.

 

An early dev model supported mSATA for sure, and its less power W series cousin supports mSATA already as per the service manual. So our answer is yes, pending double checking of the physical shells when we get them. But basically this generation of Clevo, if it has a 3G/TV Tuner slot, its also wired for SATA

 

Woot, can't wait to hear real details. Please offer backlit! Seems like there's always some compromise.

It does show 2GB, but 2GB GDDR5 not DDR3

Here's a crop and paste image from the XoticPC website.

I'd pay $100 extra for a quality matte screen with good brightness.

Right. 410m on idle, no wi-fi and min brightness? Or was that a browser test, or what? In any case 410m is almost 7 hours (wow, I can do math), so I'm sure regular use will easily exceed 4-5 which is ideal for me.

I am hoping it can manage. DV6 runs fine with CPU + GPU which can draw 100W+. But in any case, waiting for Ivy Bridge anyhow. I was waiting on AMD Trinity, but heck if I can get a 12" notebook with this kind of power it will blow away anything AMD can put in an IGP. Performance of GT 550m here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...-g7-notebooks-2012-mosaic-30.html#post8435784

Would really be nice to have GDDR5 though. But whatever.

 

Question. Is the new Sager NP6165 built on the same Clevo chassis as the 5165 was?

And I'm sure this has been answered multiple times but any real significant advantage to waiting for Ivy Bridge CPUs? I was hoping for cooler temperatures and better battery life really, if this is the case then I'll gladly wait.

 

That is a good question, and I hope they put a bigger battery in the 6165.

 

Indeed missed updating the type of GDDR, thanks for the heads up, changing it up now.

 

Damn, I was hoping that wasn't a typo. Still outclasses my current "gimped" GT 555M, but I was hoping for a wee bit more. The W110ER was a no-brainer at first, but with the "meh" LCD, no backlit keyboard and the lesser version of the GT 650M, it's now on the fence, rather than a definite buy.

 

oh no! i was on the fence about that one. now it's a definite no-buy.
gonna be buying around may 1. after feeling let down by the PxxxEM series, i still really don't have any idea where i'm gonna take my money. nothing really bangs anymore.

 

Yeah this surprised me too when I first heard about it, so you finally found a successor for your old ASUS J20!
But this laptop/net book will be 10x more powerful.

 

I know it sounds funny but the GDDR3 version is better. The Graphics clock is 850 MHz with DDR3/735MHz with GDDR5

 

Not so sure about that, Huts.

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

"However, the 128-Bit memory interface can be a bottleneck if DDR3 graphics memory is employed. Despite the slower core clock of only 735 MHz, the GDDR5-version of the card should be much faster."

 

i feel like a couple of people just joined in on this forum, just saying u guys need to go back a couple dozen pages and read this thing from page 1..... i can tell because everyone has been asking what type of video ram it has, while the answer to that has been answered like 15 pages ago with real benchmarks of a w110er

yes it come with GDDR3 RAM but there are some really nice benchmarks of BOTH GDDR3 vs GDDR5 versions and to be honest, the difference is barely their.

also right now, i dont think the price can be beat 819$ right now unfortunately with sandy bridge, hopefully ivy bridge isnt much more.

this laptop is in its own class right now, m11x doesnt even come close to this in terms of raw power

for me the fact that they crammed a full powered cpu and a gt 650m which is just a bit under a gtx 560m which could only be found in 15.6 + heavy gaming laptops far outweighs the cons of a sub-par lcd... which is expected for 11.6...

ideally, everyone has been crying for a 12 or 13inch variant of this, gives more space for cooling and chance to put in a much higher quality lcd since there are alot more choices at this level but for now it seems, ill just be content with this which i will gladly sell my m14x for

 

I personally think this is as close to a perfect machine I can get for me right now. Sure, I want a backlit keyboard, and a better screen. But other than that, nothing can touch it. Even if the M11x has a 650M, I'll bet you a million dollars it has a ULV CPU.

Also, those benches used for reference at Notebookcheck? It scored 2178 with an i3-2350M. And that was the exact same 2GB DDR3 version in the W110ER. With a 2450M, it'd jump another hundred points, and with an IVB Quad, who knows!

Point is, this is a class of its own. And with the capability for a 650M in an 11.6 chassis, a 660M is plausble in a 13 or 14 inch. Please, Clevo, make that laptop!

 

As far as I can tell this number comes from a specsheet like list of features of this laptop that are offered presumably by resellers and posted on Chinese forums. They just say it has 7 hour battery life (not 410 minutes) like it is fact with no explanation. No post from people that have the actual machine, for example the posts with pictures or benchmarks, have any battery info posted. It seems like the 7h is just a manufacturer stated value.

 

YES.

Although, according to Lenovo, 660M will be an option on the Y480 (with a backlit keyboard, mind you). 12.5" sound like the perfect size to me. I just wish laptop manufacturers would drop 1366x768 altogether.

 

Yes. I've seen it time and again. Just like the HP DV6z with 6750m vs Asus K53TA with 6650m. GPU is exactly same. 6750m comes with GDDR5, 6650m with DDR3. Performance difference is like 25-30%. And with the half dozen or more GT 555m variations, the DDR3 variants tend to perform worse. vRAM is as important if not moreso than the speed of the GPU.

Welcome to the forums. Been like that for years. What helps is if the OP actually updates the first post with FAQ's and pertinent information.

I haven't seen any benchmarks of both. I'd be glad to take a look though if you can provide links. But one thing I've noticed is that synthetic benchmarks don't always equate to game performance differences. But time will tell.

Here here! I agree. 13" with 660m and 1600x900 screen would be perfect.

 

Having found 11.6 a little cramped, and then using my E6220, I found 12.5 to be the perfect size for me. However, the 14" of my Vostro isn't bad either. Maybe a Sony SA type with a 660M? One can dream.

As for that Lenovo, if they sell it with an upgraded screen, I'll get one. If not, at least at 14" theres the possibility of a good upgrade, unlike 11.6.

 

is there any chance there may be versions of the wxxxer series with amd gpus?

 

Hear, hear!

 

Knowing IdeaPads, it'll be 1366x768 glossy with horrid viewing angles. Any screen upgrade will have to be done on the user end.

 

Yeah whatever hear here it is...

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/8406849-post210.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/8409920-post228.html

 

At least it will be possible that a user might be able to. Given the difficulty Mythlogic describes in finding screen alternatives for LVDS screens I'm not confident. It sounds like there are more options in the larger screen sizes but is 14" large enough? It seems you don't really start getting choices until you reach the 15.6" size which is to large for me.

 

14" doesn't have as many options as 13.3, which has all the Sony Z and Vaio S screens. There is a Sony 900p 14" screen, as well as the M14x. 12.5" has the beautiful X220 IPS screen, but 11,6 has no options.

 

Please note: The Sager NP6110 / Clevo W110ER does NOT have a DVD drive built in.

Many resellers are posting this as a regular type laptop with a DVD/Blu-ray slot on the side.

You must use an external DVD/Blu-ray drive for this model.

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