New Np8662 with GTX 260M!

what games are verified to support quad cores up till now?

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but the afformentioned GTAIV specifies the use of quad-cores for optiumum usage. And as has been stated, it's likely the more developers will follow suite. Though, as with most games up until very recently with single-cores, I think that dual-cores will be taken into account in the uttermost when specifications are considered for a while longer yet.

 

Other than GT4? Left 4 Dead perhaps?

 

Left 4 Dead, GTAIV, Unreal Engine 3 games (UT3, GoW series, Brothers in Arms Hells Highway, The Last Remnant, etc...)

 

I always hear that Supreme Commander takes advantage of Quad Cores.

The way I see it is if you have a 2.0 Ghz Q9000 paired with a powerful GPU such as the GTX260M, most games that are dual core will work fine being GPU dependent.

The games that do require Quad Cores are obviously very CPU dependent so the 2.0 Ghz Quad will help.

If you only have a Dual Core, I would expect them to be completely maxed out regardless of how high they were clocked with potential performance loss.

I have heard people say their 2.93 Ghz Dual Cores had 97% CPU usage in some Quad games (to be expected).

I have decided not to go for the Q9100 for my (UK) NP8662 because it is too expensive (£496 from some resellers). It costs a little less on Ebay but I don't trust that.

I will just go for the £146 Q9000. At least we have the option of upgrading later on.

 

I don't see the Q9000 as a mistake. Wait for the higher clocked, non-extreme mobile quads before you spend the premium stacks.

 

ok, so basically:
Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz is better than Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16GHz?

PS: I forgot what the models are for the mobile CPUs, so I use desktop CPUs for comparison.

 

seems like the logical thing is to buy a Dual Core now, seeing as the overwhelming majority of games only utilize that. then, in a year or two, when more games begin to use Quad Core and the price of the Quad Core processors comes down significantly, buy a Quad Core, plop it into the upgradeable Sager, and sell that Dual Core on ebay or use it as a coaster.

 

I used to agree and I was so sure that I would be buying a dual core but after a lot of discussions and debate I changed my mind. This wouldn't be the case if most games were not GPU dependent though.

I got some feedback about a forum users Q9000 which is 2.0 Ghz Quad and they informed me that they had no problems with game performance, even Crysis.

I think you gain more from a Quad than what you may lose but that is my opinion.

 

To anybody who already has this laptop:

Does the keyboard\palmrest heat up after extended use?

I own a ThinkPad T61p, and the thing I love about it is the keyboard doesn't heat up at all even after 2 hours of gaming!

Unfortunately it died last week and I'm looking at the Sager NP8662 now. The HP HDX16 heats up the keyboard quite a bit while gaming, so how does the Sager compare? Thanks!

 

it will get warm (depending on the components under neath those areas).... but you are not supposed to be constantly leaving your palms on those spots while gaming/typing.

that is not ergonomic... and you will leave a ugly grease/palm stain on those spots if you continue to do that.

I have had my system for over three years now... I type and game properly, so my palm rest area's are mint.

 

I'm really more worried about heat-- 'still undecided between Q9100 and QX9300.

Wouldn't the QX9300 run hotter, since it's running at a higher clock rate?

 

The Q9100 and QX9300 is`nt supported by Clevo due to it generates too much heat. Still, some vendors offer them.

 

Doesn't Kaltmond have a QX9200 (2.4 ghz) in his M860TU? Wouldn't a Q9100 (2.26 ghz) be good compromise?

If not, then I guess my best bet for now is a P9600, until the next gen of cooler mobile QUADs--

 

He sure have a QX9200, but I don`t know what temps he get. You should PM him. Clevo stated a long time ago the M860 will not support 45W CPUs.

 

The Q9000 is 45W-

 

is not like that
np8660 suport 9800mGTS which is 75w but run cooler than 9800m GTX-75w which is not suported

 

Hmmmm...we're talking about the CPU, not the GPU--

 

Indeed we are, but maybe it`s the same thing if you think about it?

 

Ok- I get it.

Have fun!

 

I think I'm understanding this wrong.. but the areas I was concerning about the heat issue are the WASD key area and consequently the palmrest area right below it. You mean I'm not supposed to leave my left palm on these areas while gaming?

 

There is no warmth on the lest side keyboard or palmrest, at all.

 

How come it dies? If the motherboard died, you can always get new mobo from Lenovo.

So your suggestion is? Typing with the hands floating off the palm rest?
Palm-rest function is to place your palm dude

Yep, I got confused too over Gophn suggestion

 

correct.

incorrect.

the palm rest area is there to literally rest your palm when you are NOT typing on the keys (or gaming WASD style).

this is a huge misconception for a while now.

here is my previous lecture:

From: Ergonomics: Cumulative Trauma Disorders

While typing, it is best not to rest your wrists, and they should not be bent up, down, or to the side. This may be easier if the back edge of the keyboard is tilted down slightly, away from you. The knuckle, wrist, and top of forearm should form a straight line. Wrist supports or rests give you a place to rest your hands only when pausing from typing, not while you are typing (or gaming).

BAD:


GOOD:

________________________

From: Safe Office Practice - Hands & Wrists




(forearm as wrists should be aligned... meaning your palms should NOT be bent downward to rest anywhere)





Placing your keyboard at an angle to the edge of the desk encourages a bad posture. Either the wrists are bent sideways (ulnar deviation) or the spine is twisted. Rearrange your equipment so you can sit head-on to your keyboard and monitor.

 

If you insist on gaming or typing when your wrists are tilting down, I highly recommend to get an inexpensive Wrist Rest or Wrist Pad like this:



That will help elevate your wrist, and hopefully help prevent you from developing CTS (Carpal Tunnel Syndrome)

 

I know. THIS is just an example how same wattage but different heat

 

LOL... i thought carpal tunnel syndrome is only for guitarist

Anyway, thanks Gophn for the detailed explanation

 

How could one even type with the "claw" postion? In the above picture, his fingers are not in contact with the keyboard. If he were to rest his palm on the palm rest, the knuckle, wrist, and top of forearm should still form a straight line.

In the laptop's case, one would only need to elevate the bottom of the laptop with a little cushion to achieve the same effect. And would that 20 degree really matter that much? If one were to rest the palm on the table and then use the laptop keyboard, then that's a different story, but the palmrest of a laptop should be on the same height as the keyboard, which justifies resting the palm on it. In my opinion, using the "piano" position would only strain the wrist more.

Useful information nonetheless.

@ Kevin Jack2.0: Thanks for that info. It's exactly what I needed.

@ xor01: My thinkpad died due to the GPU chip malfunction. Replacing the mobo would cost me $600. In my case, I filed an extended warranty claim with my credit card company, and I hope I will get the full purchase price refunded.

 

wow, price of 1 laptop mobo = 1 desktop PC...
I never think of it...

 

Hi,
I'm from Germany and wanna buy this notebook from notebookguru.de

1. Wich one would be best processor (i mean bang for the buck) ? (it starts with 1098€

Core2Duo P8800 2x2,66 GHz 3 MB Cache FSB 1066 MHz 25 Watt+160,00EUR
Core2Duo T9550 2x2,66 GHz 6 MB Cache FSB 1066 MHz 35 Watt +240,00EUR
Core2Duo P9600 2x2,66 GHz 6 MB Cache FSB 1066 MHz 25 Watt +270,00EUR

2. Does an upgrade improve w-lan capability ? if yes how? Is it worth the15 €?

300 MBit Intel 5100 W-LAN +25,00EUR
450 MBit Intel 5300 W-LAN +40,00EUR

3. Any benchmarks around the web for the 260m ?

4. And what's:
Intel Robson Turbo Flash Memory Modul 2 GB NAND FLASH (Vista) +50,00EUR
Intel Robson Turbo Flash Memory Modul 4 GB NAND FLASH (Vista) +80,00EUR ???
Does it give an preformance boost ?

THX for replies...

 

Versuch mal Barebone zu kaufen und andere Komponenten in ebay zu finden.

 

How loud is the blu-ray drive?

 

Ne lass mal stecken möchte ein "run-um-sorglos"-notebook

 

1) any of the 2.66GHz CPUs would due fine.

2) get the Intel 5300 for best results.

3) and there are lots of GTX 260M benchmarks... and you can look up 9800M GTX since its the same specifications

4) do not get the Turbo Memory, its not worth it at all... and does not help improve game performance.

please speak English or provide translations if you type in another language.

refer to the forums rules.

 

Hello everyone....first post! After quite a bit of research, I purchased a Clevo M860(E)TU (otherwise known as a Sager Np8662), and I was curious about the "other monitor" thing....I have a 22" Sony Triniton CRT that I still like to use and prefer over LCD screens for home use...based on what I found (ha ha doesn't mean it is correct) it seems that the video output is DVI-I and thusly one should be able to use a simple DVI to VGA connector for like $10 USD...please correct me if I am wrong!

Also, I'm wondering and hoping that one day I'll be able to plop a quad-core chip into this....I assume that with some external cooling it is possible even now...

Jeff

 

yes you can us a DVI-VGA adapter... I always carry that adapter around with me... as well as a DVI-HDMI adapter

 

It's an HDMI connection, so an HDMI cord is all you'll need.

The higher clocked Quads are possible now, without ext. cooling, but you'll likely want to undervolt.

 

@Gophn...thanks!

@Kevin_Jack2.0...I've built my own desktop systems, and my best is a (now old) 2.4 Ghz Smithfield 805D that I overclock to 3.1....my 2nd choice for a laptop was the Asus N81Vp....I figured that Asus would have great mobo oc resources, but I'm still digging around trying to find the type of mobo in the Np8662 for oc purposes....I assume since I'm brand new to the forums and seeing that others have already dropped obscene quads into almost identical systems it is not a big deal (except for keeping it cool of course!)....thanks for the undervolting tip....I'll have to do some more research into this!

Regards,

Jeff

 

So I called up PowerNotebooks all ready to order an NP 8662, and they talked me into a PowerPro P 15:2 instead. Basically the same specs, slightly cheaper, supported directly by the nice folks at PowerNotebooks. Anyone have any comments on the two machines? (Now that it's too late for me to change my mind...)

 

same specs? you lose the 260 gtx

 

Guess he didn't consider it THAT important.

 

Ah, right, good point. The guy on the phone convinced me that since I'm not planning to run ultra-leading-edge games, the difference would be minor. Hope he's right!

 

What games will you be playing?

 

That is the same way of thinking that I had when I purchased my first gaming laptop. A few months later, I sold it and purchased one with a much better GPU.

Laptops are difficult enough to upgrade so I think getting the absolute best you can afford, even if you think you don't need it can sometimes be a really good idea.

 

Hey guys I'm thinking of grabbing this laptop.

Sager NP 8662 - Intel P9600(2.66ghz), 4GB DDR3 RAM, 320GB HDD 7200RPM, GeForce GTX 260M, Windows XP SP3


I was wondering if this could run World of warcraft max settings(including shadows) with nice fps.

 

yeah you should have no probs running it at max.

 

You'll have smooth FPS and enough leftover to animate the naughty images you have buried in your hard drive.

 

Not sure if you know World of warcraft but they have a shadows setting that can be harsh. How would that run on the laptop?

 

This laptop is the fastest 15 inch laptop on the market and it has the second best mobile videocard that nvidia offers (excluding the FX cards). I mean, I don't even worry about the new demanding game coming out, so don't worry about Wow

I play left 4 dead at 1680x1050 with all max settings and I get an average of 60 fps. And even there, my cpu is the bottleneck lol.. (he's at 100% constant).

 

My friend you have made me happy this day. Thank you very much.