New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

16GB DDR3 sodimms do exist, they just are not universally supported by the memory controllers out there. 16GB DDR4 Sodimms should not take that long to get to and then you can get 4 of those for 64GB.

 

There are only two (2) types of 16GiB DDR3 DIMMs out there, both are Dual Rank (2R). They are either ...
1) Registered DIMMs (RDIMMs) that require a CPU-platform that supports such,
or ...
2) They are "hacked" PCBs to support the Chip Select (CS) for UDIMM and only one (1) UDIMM can be used per channel, because it's 2R

To get #1, you have to buy a costly "workstation-class" notebook.
The problem with #2 is, as you said ...

Yes, they don't like the CS line being in a single UDIMM.

There's also the problem that Intel screwed up even 8Gb IC technology support in the 80 series chipsets, so even if 16GiB 1R DDR3 UDIMMs were available w/8GB IC technology, they wouldn't be supported before the 90 series chipset. That all said ... ergo ...

Samsung, TSMC and others waited on DDR4 and demand before changing out their multi-billion dollar fabs to support such. So it's very likely we won't ever see a commodity, 16GiB 1R DDR3 UDIMM, or not until DDR3 is very uncommon any way.

As always ... the "Rank" is dependent on the IC technology. Hence the issue with 2R either requiring RDIMM, or being limited to one (1) 2R UDIMM per channel, instead of two (2) 1R UDIMMs.

Ergo ... why I'm still waiting ... because IC technology hasn't improved since SandyBridge (60 series) came out to support 4Gb IC technology with 8GiB per Rank.

 

First bits of news regarding new models; edit: http://bit.ly/1W3gKn9 (better translation)

 

I think you will be surprised to be honest, manufacturing technology has come a long way since then.

 

Thanks for posting this it made my day pal. This is the notebook I waited for and to finally see it with all the stuff man what a pay off. Clevo did not disappoint there, at this point it'll be great to see more mobile skylake machines now but I guess they have to wait for intel to produce those mobile 4cores first. Its also nice to know that the 4k Gsync models will be an option for the DM as well. I'm not in need of a 4k gsync atm but its nice to have it as a option since high res gsync is gaining popularity.

 

A nice long read. The CPU itself is nothing to fawn over. Your cautions were correct.The 4790K is right with it / slightly behind. In a year, maybe longer, the chipset may be worth it. That will depend on peripherals for USB 3.1 and TB3. The USB-C connector may help TB3 gain some popularity. But the prices better come down. USB 3.1, hopefully, a reliable hub will be produced. It wasn't as simple for USB 3.0 as 2.0. DDR4 looks promising but not yet.

 

Yeah, doesn't seem they are actually more powerful. Maybe there will be lower temperatures with mobile cpu's if the voltage regulators are moved back to motherboards (fingers crossed).

USB-C looks very promising IMO but think of how many years it took for USB 3.0 to show up in all computers with decent controllers, though this time Intel has included support for that straight into the chipset which might speed things a bit. I'm hoping it will be utilized by manufacturers but we'll see what's the reality going to be with these. It also has potential for eGPU's but i'm sceptical how long it will take to make them actually work

I'm wondering if i should pull the trigger and get some older Clevo instead of waiting for this technology to get into mobile platforms, which most likely is going take at least 6 months based on my findings.

 

The German translation posted above indicates usb type c with thunderbolt support may be included in the new p7x0dm machines meaning the wait may not be as long as 6 months. If usb type c support with thunderbolt is important to you (it is to me) additional info on releases may be out at end of games com or its a 2 week wait for more info at IDF.

It's waiting for information about how much longer to wait so it's up to the individual to see if they need it or not.

I'm tossing up between a future p7x0dm or razer blade like laptop with thunderbolt 3 for an egpu down the line or pull the trigger on a current p750zm.

I'm not in a rush so choosing to wait for release details during August, then will make a decision.

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It's an important step but as I said it would not suddenly obsolete the current machines in any real way.

 

All I need now is to see some mobile versions of skylake to compare with the pxxxDM and a new mobile gpu. Not that anything is wrong with the 970m-980m but something stronger must be on the way and since I went all this way why not get the best while I'm at it. The 970/980 been out for almost a year now

 

Overall, it looks like there are some decent improvements in that model if that holds true. I'd agree, the current ones aren't going to be at a huge disadvantage. On top of the new processors, the little things like sound card change, touchpad changes, and less finger prints should hopefully make for a better overall experience with them. I'm excited to see when some new models might be adding the line up.

 

New GPU as in pascal, or maxwell refresh? Pascal won't come out for a long while.

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Great to see that USB type C will be included and more display options for the 17" versions. Assuming this holds true, these were probably the two items that were plausible that I was hoping to see.

Skylake's performance increase being fairly minor isn't all that surprising. Since that was largely what was expected, I am pleased overall at the information in the new models.

 

the skylake desktop performs almost 22 percent better in video editing real world benchmarks vs synthetic ones. plus it looks like it'll overclock better on air. wouldn't be surprised seeing the 6700k running at 4.5ghz easily on laptops, maybe even more. so i want that cpu already. i just need to wait for nvidia to make a move with their mobile gpus. im getting a 4k screen no matter what. the 980m is blah for that. plus the new chipset has more pcie 3.0 lanes. so two pcie m.2 ssds in raid 0 will be hitting around 5,000mbps reads and 3,000 plus mbps writes =)

 

I'm not that hung up on what exact gpu it will be but I just know whether if its a refresh or not, it should be stronger than whats on the market now. I wont mind a refresh actually as long as it improves the performance. The desktop already has had two improvements already with the titan x I think its called and the gtx980ti so I wont mind some sort of upgrades for mobile cards also. Now with the new dx12 the next cards wont just support it the next cards will be built on it ! For example my current graphics card supports dx11 but it was built on dx10 natively. Anything that releases now will be native to dx12 and will surely offer a increase in performance.

I hear ya, and I thank XMG for putting out the info for the DM model and the entire forum and readers. I also plan on doing video editing plus gaming and I gotta say the pxxxDM is looking pretty darn capable of doing it all and its nice to see a model already made during the first day launch of Skylake. I wanted to wait and see how the mobile Skylake is but now I don't see the need if I have to wait longer for it. You said the right things and waiting for the next gpu is the final part of the trio I have been waiting for to qualify this as the "right time for upgrading". Now I just need to be clued in how much this will cost and when it'll be released for NA. Since its clevo I know the price will be fair and tbh with everything mentioned such as: New mobo cpu, more pcie, ddr4, usb type c(thunderbolt3), its really the notebook Ive been asking for.

 

64gb of ddr4 ram in a notebook =)

 

Since the pictures of the notebook has released it means the PxxxDM are not only confirmed but will be here faster than some of the other notebooks requested on this thread . But hold on It seems Intel will offer a k series laptop cpu as well for tuning. If thats the case skylake is actually causing more hype than imagined. I am willing to bet After the new mobile chips are announced we will see some dual gpu notebooks eventually using the mobile skylake. As well as normal style laptops that some others here have requested mainly for extra portability.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...locked-overclockable-skylake-cpu-for-laptops/

 

they still wont meet the same performance as the 6700k though =(

 

That's true, plus I also think the price would be higher as most mobile chips are, but to each their own. I'm guessing some other people might be interested in those particular chips if they need the slight extra portability or efficiency that mobile cpu's offer.

 

Yep. I am one of them. Hopefully intel releases Skylake-H during Intel IDF.

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The intel Idf is the official intel keynote press so I expect a bunch a news there. I'm very interested to see that and its not that far away. Im sure Intel will discuss Skylake on all fronts including dektop and mobility. Im hoping to see some actual laptops in or around that time also. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us...cisco/2015/idf-2015-san-francisco-agenda.html Its planned for 8/18/2015

 

There still seem to be issues with USB 3.0 hubs. Monoprice has a great 7-port 2.0 hub 4.5 Stars, not their 3.0 hub 3 Stars. For double the price. They have USB-C cables and adapters. A 6ft. USB-C male to USB-C male costs $25. The price of performance!

The lack of Thunderbolt peripherals through the first 2 gens didn't inspire me with warm and fuzzy feelings. It didn't obsolete the current machines at all in my eyes either. My Mythlogic Phobos 1715 (P770ZM-G) is about to ship!

 

How about the prospects for 3.1/ TB3 external GPU?

Also, DDR4 allows for much larger RAM capacity, as we can already buy 128GB kits (32GBx4 sticks), right? Or is the type of DDR4 in these kits not going to be compatible with the DATMAN?

Would Raid-ing the two drives compensate for the drop in speed from x4 to x2?

Aluminum or magnesium alloy chassis please!

Going from 15" to 17" seems like a lot of additional weight and bulk with no benefits.

I use external monitor at home and office, so only time I even glance at the native display is when traveling, in which case unless I get a seating upgrade I would not be able to open 17" laptop on a flight without pissing off my neighbors.

Fixed!

 

Perhaps this is where the struggle for manufacturers comes in. I use my laptop in a similar situation (generally with external monitor) and I can't imagine why I wouldn't want the extra couple of inches! It's not my primary space for working (the external is), but I do use the space, so it's nice that it's a little larger.

Using an 17" on an airplane is a very valid concern though I agree, a smaller size would be much nicer if you find yourself in that situation frequently.

 

Niche applications may see a benefit but you already have a pretty top tier GPU internally and most people will find 16GB more than enough for quite some time.

 

Talking about Intel Skylake for laptops, when do we expect DDR4 SODIMM RAMs to be released?

 

i heard there will be 4k display for 15' and 17'. also ddr4 is available.

 

That's the other issue, DDR4 sodimms are not going to be cheap at launch... be prepared to pay a premium for them.

 

Anyone have an idea of which chassis this is built on?

http://www.monsterlabs.co.kr/shop/product_detail.html?pd_no=12636

http://blog.naver.com/monsterlabs/220428042369

 

Looks like a Gigabyte

 

I agree, does not look sager/clevo to me.

 

It's a Topstar GS510 chassis ;-)

 

News on future nvidia cards: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia...be-based-on-the-desktop-GTX-980.147698.0.html

edit: nevermind, the source of the article is this forum

 

The thing is, are they even out for sale yet?

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Whoa, Meaker actually quoted a post

 

A lot of speculation based on sketchy data from the looks of things.

 

According to one retailer the clevo DM may be out this month in EU areas
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p751-156-full-hd/cat-p/c1000042/p10631774

Of course I'm hoping the NA shipment wont be too far behind. Plus on the link they reveal more pictures. What I like is that they did not just replace one of the usb ports with the usb c port but added the usbc as a extra port all together leaving the other ones alone.

 

Awesome, do you guys work with Topstar?

I like that chassis, I wonder if there's a Topstar reseller in Canada. Otherwise I'll have to grab it the next time I go to Korea.

 

The images have been copied from their P751ZM pages so they're not of any new chassis :-(

We know and talk to the majority of ODMs, but we don't currently use any of the new Topstar chassis - that's all I can say!

 

Ok thanks so this means that this link http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-...Core-i7-6700K-and-Core-i5-6600K.147499.0.html has the only valid images right now and may be subject to change.

 

Hmmm.... not much expensive than current 2133Mhz modules.

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/corsai...mm-2133mhz-c15-memory-kit-cmso16gx4m2a2133c15

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/corsai...imm-2133mhz-c15-memory-kit-cmso8gx4m2a2133c15

 

That's actually better than I thought it would be, still not very cheap but decent.

 

I actually ordered 16gb kit. Preparing for DM.

Kingston DDR3 2133 16GB Kit is around £120 (-+£5 depend on seller)

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Yes but DDR3 2133mhz is faster so that's not a fair comparison, DDR3 1600mhz is fairer really.

 

Hey pal I see your preparing for the DM already but don't you already have a ZM as a matter of fact I remember you being one of the first here to report having one but I'm surprised to see your already preparing and ordered the ram for the DM already. Is there a reason your getting one so soon since you have the ZM already ? I'm just curious if there's something or another about the ZM that you didn't like that might be behind that.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/08/intel-xeon-for-laptops/

Intel, stop toying with us.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9485/...-asrock-asus-gigabyte-msi-ecs-evga-supermicro

Looks like the above thunderbolt controller along with ECC and some of the pro features enabled, nothing to exiting for normal users.

 

I want to buy the 17 version. I got Keratitis and now my right eye have very slight ghosting. Bit bigger screen is comfortable for me. External monitor is not always practical due to my job which require me to visit our sites. I'm selling my 15" ZM on ebay.

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I imagine, going Xeon again?

 

Depend on the price. Let's see.....

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