New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

should be full gm 204 or gm 204 with 2 smx disabled clocking at 1050 to 1100 MHZ

 

Odd numbers of SMX can be disabled.

 

Alienware MSI ASUS Clevo all should put TB 3 but they dont want to put it i think it will really hurt their discrete gaming laptop sales. If TB 3 really comes with the laptop I like, I dont even bother with SLI laptops. I would Prefer a Laptop like Gs70 with IPS screen and TB 3

 

Here is the interesting bit i came across

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9331/intel-announces-thunderbolt-3

so yeah if laptops have usb 3.1 c then thin laptops can use egpu easily

 

Lol this is maybe what you think and I hear ya but in reality it will not affect future laptop sales much. Most laptop owners who want to upgrade simply buy a new machine if its more cost effective. Of course those with mxm may upgrade too but even then not all do since sometimes the cost of upgrading may be close to the cost of purchasing a brand new machine all together.

 

What is the diff between the thunderbolt version I have in this laptop (check my sig) to tb 3? Has anyone said they are going to be making egpu stand alone systems? like something with a power supply and place to connect eternal gpu? thanks

 

There are no current products announced I am aware of.

 

I agree. A gtx 980m can cost anywhere around $800-900, almost the price of two GTX 980s. Might as well get a new computer anyway.

Sent from my potato running on Android 5.0.1

 

Is the 40Gbps TB 3 / USB 3.1c connection throughput really going to be fast enough to get full usage out of something like 980Ti, Pascal gaming or Quadro cards in eGPU enclosure?

And would it likely use up all the PCIe x4 lanes in say, P750DM to preclude using PCIe x4 SSD at the same time?

 

This is the big question I have as well. Hopefully someone much smarter than me will chime in.

Looking at PCIE3, an x16 connection is ~16 GB/s, so 16 GB/s * 8 = 128 Gbps, which is a fair bit larger than the 40 Gpbs that TB3 would offer. It would closer a 4x PCIe lane. There's also a matter of how it's physically connected: a connection directly on the motherboard is probably going to be better that way too.

I'm certainly excited at the possibilities, assuming there isn't an inherent handicap.

 

PCIE speed is not a "good reference" all cards are running at almost full power even in a PCIE 4X lane, here is a test with a gtx 980 :
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GTX_980_PCI-Express_Scaling/21.html
a PCIE 4X lane is 32 Gbps...... so it should be no problem at all

Elipsus

 

I do recall reading the same: that most graphics cards won't saturate a PCIE Gen3 bus. Certainly nobody was worried about running an SLI configuration using 8x/8x, but I wasn't sure if that were still true when dropping to 4x. It looks like you do lose as much as about 5% performance in 4x, but you'd certainly more than gain that back by using a 980 vs. a 980m. It does make me worry a little bit if bandwidth requirements increase with Pascal or future generations.

The other part to consider is that you're not as directly connected to the CPU, but that might already be accounted for with the lower potential max data rate.

Don't get me wrong through, I'd very much like to see it be successful. The encouraging part of the article was that Intel is actually supporting this as a valid solution, so you're not messing around with something more hacky in nature.

 

There are challenges that you talked about that will impact performance, it would need to be PCI-E based to avoid any USB type latencies.

 

Its a matter of time now before external gpu goes mainstream imo. I wouldn't be surprised if kabylake has tb4 equivalent to pcie 3.0 8x or pcie 4.0 4x speeds that can handle titanx

 

I look forward to the day when we use photonics.

 

That's the beauty of the new skylake features, having tb3 port on most machines. This was probably my number one wish that has been fulfilled and one of the most requested features on these type of threads. In the worse case scenario that mxmb is no longer supported tb3 owners will have a specially designed port that can use external gpu's and yes with double the bandwidth of tb2 which I would have been okay with also. The new tb3 is double that performance though so it will allow for most desktop graphic cards to be hooked up and run with ease especially gtx cards or amd cards for gaming or even firepro/quatro rendering cards.

The mbp has a tb2 with half the bandwidth (20gbs for tb2) yet can use 780ti (slightly stronger than a 980m stock) all the way up to 980 desktop cards with only 5-20% loss depending on some games and apps. The power supply used for the egpu also plays a role in addition to the bandwidth since some cards like the 980 and above will demand more power at times. Here are some references on the subject to check out: (note most are using macbooks) since tb2 was limited in pc's that had it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7987/running-an-nvidia-gtx-780-ti-over-thunderbolt-2
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic...setup-guide-benchmarks-egpu-setup-windows-10/



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It does feel as though all of the pieces are falling into place. I'm optimistic that thunderbolt might receive more regular updates if there were more use cases. I think MichaelKnight4Christ is quite correct in that hopefully one of the big pluses for skylake is making tb3 ports a lot more accessible. Hopefully this will push vendors to also want to make more of these products knowing that there's a potentially larger market.

 

Well well today kicks of idf15 so were all waiting to see what new info is gained when applied to upcoming notebooks especially. At this level both desktop and mobile cpu's are holding so much mystery that I'm hoping we get some details about what the Skylake is really capable of doing and what it is we can expect down the road. Both the desktop and mobile chips are relative to the discussion here since Clevo will be making different types laptops that utilize both types.

This is a link of the news so far
http://wccftech.com/idf15-intel-skylake-analysis-cpu-gpu-microarchitecture-ddr4-memory-impact/

 

It's a nice option to have if not always ideal. Mxm should hopefully hang around.

 

Does anyone know if Clevo will be releasing laptops with a 16:10 aspect ratio? I honestly prefer 1920x1200 rather than 1920x1080. It just... looks better.

 

Unlikely. They'll most likely move straight to 1440p and 4k.

Does anyone know when the new models will be released? We haven't seen a thing.

 

No one makes panels in that ratio any more so you wont see machines with it. Also clevo/sager always keeps their cards close to their chest but it helps if the chips are released first

 

No one... Except Apple. That's just about the only thing that MacBooks have going for them (besides the nice eye-candy design) - the 8:5 aspect ratio is the best trade-off between vertical height and horizontal breadth.

Edit: forget this display aspect ratio stuff. I just hope Clevo redesigns the W230S series into a P63XSX, all-metal chassis with internals that are moved around and an improved cooling system. They've been driving that plastic chassis for two and a half years now. While durable, it's not the best, and it's rather bulky. After seeing the epic Asus G752 design, I hope Clevo takes a leaf out of their book...

 

16:9 is rather standard at this point for various media. I would be surprised to see 16:10 laptops again in the future on Windows laptops - Macs on the other hand...seems nearly all of them are 16:10, from 1440x900 up to to 2880x1800 rMBP and the new Macbook 2304x1440.

 

I wonder if you can actually properly service that Asus as now with the current ones you have to do a tear down to get at the fans *sigh*.

 

Word

 

Pretty excited for these next couple days, really hoping they release everything all in one go and don't dribble the models out over a period of weeks or months.

 

I think the generalisation of 16/9 over 16/10 is a pity, NOT ALL THE PEOPLE ARE GAMING /SCREENING ! some people actually works on computer, are constructor even aware of that ? a 17 inch 4/3 was sufficient to put a full A4 page, now if we want the same height, we need a freackin 24 inch 16/9.
when i was finally accomodated to the 16/9 (not helped by the increasing amount of vertical space eaten by windows, tabs/option banner), they are talking about generalizing 21/9.......*PAN*
How ironical, they keep making wider screen, but keep using all vertical space with banner, USE SIDE PANEL !

 

I had 3x desktop monitors with that resolution and agree about preferring them over 16:9. We havent seen one with that ratio for 4-5yr though. I think the main reason is that most mainstream consumers were fed 1080 as the ideal number so panel manufacturers focused their resources on that.

 

Are there refreshed models coming? The year is almost over.

 

That was because of the television industry, which just happened to use 16:9. And yet most recent films aren't shot in 16:9 - they use a ridiculous ultra-widescreen 2.39:1. Why doesn't everyone just follow one nice standard, i.e. 8:5, as proven by maths? The golden ratio is called that for a reason...

 

I wish I knew. Sager is very good at keeping new models to themselves until the day they are ready so sell. We may know a day or so ahead of time to add the pages to our site, but thats about the most we'll ever know ahead of time.

 

Like many folks here, I preferred the more square resolutions: I wasn't crazy about leaving 4:3 and I similarly miss 16:10. However, I hookup my laptop to an ultrawide 21:9 (3440x1440) monitor on a daily basis for general productivity. I see ultrawide as having two more square monitors (10.5:9) side-by-side, which I quite enjoy. In other words, ultrawide is actually nice when you go so wide that you actually get a second monitor's worth out of it.

The standard sort of widescreens we have today I'll likely never be a fan of.

 

Yes they are coming check this out: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nge-welcome-to-the-new-batcave.776183/page-28

 

Not all Clevos are plastic, so there is some choice ... only nothing below 15.6". Rationale might go like this; ' customer for petite laptop wants petite weight' ... or some-such.

Hmm ... 3D scanner+printer service shop; “ Send us your plastic parts and we'll metallise them!”. Now for a name ... PlasticsAway, PolymersBeGone, PET2Metal ... that sort of thing. Or ' carbonate carbonise carbon fiberise them!', perhaps?

 

I did recently replace one of my 1920x1200 with a 4096x2160 monitor and kinda like it a lot . The remaining 2 1920x1200 may be on their way out soon

Even 4K there is 3840x2160 and Cinema 4K 4096x2160. One of my 1920x1200 just got replaced by a 4096x2160 and when I watch 3840 movies there black bars on the side .

 

They showed the concepts again in IDF: http://gizmodo.com/heres-the-box-that-can-turn-your-puny-laptop-into-a-gra-1724958260

 

Ugh. Slightly thinner W230SD with Skylake and 965M where are you!? What a great blend of power / portability that isn't a furnace that would be.

 

The W230S series is in need of an overhaul, not a slight change. And it gravely needs more VRAM - as a flight simmer, I hit the 2GB limit extremely easily.

 

I suppose that wouldn't be a bad thing to get the case more up to date, and the thermals could use a little love. Still salty over not getting a 965m in there though... Would've been perfect. Or even the GTX 950 desktop equivalent for mobile.

 

i think that a desktop pc that you can fold away would be a massive hit. most people have laptops because they don't have room for a home office, and not because they want to take it hiking.

call it a folding desk top, not a laptop. pull the keyboard forward and strap a liquid cooler along the back, drop in a couple of skylake i7 quads, 64gb ddr4,gpu and your good to go. i'll leave the details to you

 

http://www.notebookcheck.pl/Clevo-P651RE-i-P651RG-z-Intel-Skylake-w-XTREEM-pl.148349.0.html (Website is in Polish)

Some Polish reseller is selling the Clevo P651RE and P651RG, could be the successor of the P65xSx series. Basically the same as the P65xSx series, with just Intel Skylake CPUs, and more VRAM for GPUs... No DDR4 RAM, I am rather disappointed. Looks like I should order the P650SG before school starts for me.

 

It also doesn't have TB 3 or USB 3.1....just USB 3 HDMI 1.4a and DisplayPort 1.2.....only thing new is the soldered 8gb 980m with gsync and the display is an IPS display

 

The extra 4GB VRAM won't matter to me much, since I plan to play games on only 1080p. Time to buy the P650SE/SG before it stops selling.

 

Wow, why does Poland get everything first?

 

Listing and having are different things.

 

I'm pretty sure we can expect preorders after IFA-Berlin 2015.

 

WELL THEN. This is disappointing.

 

Companies which publicise before NDAs are usually last in the line to get stock.

 

I'm also excited to see some laptops coming in soon but make no mistake patience is key. I would love the dm or something to release already and even was getting anxious myself however what I don't want now that I think about it, is a rush to where things aren't made properly and bugs and flaws are caused usually by rushing or not taking time to do testing and stuff. I want a new pc badly my newest laptop is 6years old but at the same time another month or two wont kill me. I am not the "here take all my money types" but I can see why there is much anxiety over the releases. I was a bit let down intel did not reveal any details about the other i5/i7 desktop chips or the skylake mobile chips but I was somewhat content with the details of the 6600k & 6700k.