New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

When do people think that this NDA will be up? Weeks or months?

 

Probably around a month I'd guess.

 

Still gonna last a while....Patient, patient, patient...


Boring boring Chelsea

 

I believe a certain vendor is selling the new machines (at the very least the refreshed P750ZM/DM line) starting September 30th.

 

I heard the same thing. A vendor told me they should announce the DM the second week of September and have it ready to ship at the end of Sept. Boy I hope so, I can't tell you how many times I've had a configuration for the ZM ready in the cart so I could just be done and move ahead lol.

 

Sager just took the NP9752/s off their website... Could the time be nigh?

 

So looks like in all of Australia the P650SEs are not available anymore, but have been replaced with Skylake models 650RE/650RG and a hefty price increase. ( http://www.metabox.com.au/store/Gaming-Laptops )

Huge disappointment for me.

 

Any word on what might be replacing the 86xx line (i.e. The thinner gaming laptops). All I see are the desktop cpu laptops and thicker 93/97xx line

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Since the desktop skylake CPU chips have been released, those aren't under NDA any more. That is why those are going to be out there more for information as of right now. But hang around here, I'm sure you'll see more as news creeps it's head out.

 

From what I see in that link when navigating to the tech specs you have the option of the i7 6820hk and thats a much better cpu than the ones on the current haswell. It is more expensive but it will perform better since its meant to be OC'd. Here is a demo of one going to 4.2 on all cores thats pretty much desktop power.


It seems the mobile skylake chips were recently released in some sectors including that 6820hk and that one is my favorite mobile cpu out of all of them. It has desktop power and is much much cheaper than the socked i74910mq and 4940mx which are triple and quadrupled in price pal. And it has more ram and better battery life potential. Now it makes me want clevo to make a mxm version of those but even without the mxm these type of books will last a long time. The 970/980m config makes them much stronger than the laptops found in most electronic stores nearby.

edit: wow nobody liked this post .... ah well whatever I know I'm doing and saying the right stuff.

 

Aftershock has listed a few of the thinner Clevo models including P650RE/RG: https://www.aftershockpc.com/welcome/Productinner/s15-new-1

 

So it seems I was right and the HK is unlocked to replace the MX line.

Hopefully they were only pushing 100W TDP for total guaranteed stability for the demonstration though...

 

Considering I'm still within the 30 day satisfaction grace period, after double checking w/ the good folks over at XOTICPC, I was contemplating shipping back my 8672s since I'd hate for them to roll out the 990M right after I just received this device a couple of weeks ago. But from the looks of it it appears to be ddr4 and skylake upgrade, both i've read are very mild upgrades. I was looking forward to usb 3.1 type c + new gpu but that appears to be quite a ways off then? Would you say that's a fair assessment?

 

Unless you have a 4k or 120 Hz screen, you're not likely going to need a better GPU than your 980M for quite a while.

 

That's a very good point. That and i don't really use my pc for anything CPU heavy. I had big hopes for ddr4 and those tests were really not that impressive.

 

I had no expectations for DDR4 RAM and thus I wasn't disappointed. RAM is already fast enough that anything that uses it won't noticeably be sped up by having faster RAM because you will still be bottlenecked by practically everything else in your system compared to RAM (except for CPU cache, of course).

 

But if you choose the 6820 it gets even more expensive.

I can still get a 650SE with 16GB RAM, 500 GB SSD + 500 HD + Win for 2259 AUD http://www.p4laptops.com.au/Metabox_Prime_P650SE-CTG02.htm )

The Skylake models are being sold with faster (= more expensive) memory, 2133 vs 1600Mhz.
If I configure the new 650RE ( http://www.metabox.com.au/store/b158/Metabox-Prime-P650RE-Laptop ) with 500 GB SSD and 16GB RAM I'll pay 2615AUD.

That's a juicy 350AUD extra for Skylake and faster RAM.

 

I'm in perth. it might be cheaper for me to fly to Singapore and get one from afrtershock pc at those prices lol

 

I definitely see your point and I like the way your being budget minded and thats why I even liked your post. The way it was worded I thought you had no other options since i'm not familiar with AUS retailers and how much vendor choices you have an dyou said it was no longer available so I was just offering encouragement. However seeing both your links now knowing you still have choices I totally think you should get the less expensive current one since its available still. I commend you for budgeting the most bang for the buck.

Why I like the 6820HK is because I plan on doing long term usage aka a (future proofer) for 5-10y usage so a chip like that with a mxm gpu or tb would be a sweet combo in my eyes.

 

6700HQ + 16GB RAM + 500 SSD + Win = 2475SGD. ( https://www.aftershockpc.com/welcome/ProductconfigRec/s15-new-1 )
Either you get your flights really cheap or the kayak will have to make do ;-)

 

I just think the pricing for the new models (650RE/RG) is a bit unfortunate. The new 650RE is now roughly the same price as the old 650SG. So you have Skylake and somewhat faster memory but only a 970 and not a 980. Furthermore the 650RE doesn't really have a big price advantage vs other brands (with 970Ms) anymore . From what I understand Skylake offers slightly better performance, better bus speed and better power efficiency. Not sure that really justifies the premium they are charging.

 

I'm sure you'll see more of the older models getting marked down in price, while the new models are a bit higher. There is still advantages to the new ones which will raise costs, and companies are going to want to push older inventory or sit on it for too long...

 

Don't get caught up in that frequency 2133MHz DDR4 vs 1600MHz DDR3. The important number, for now, is the CAS Latency when comparing the two because the CL gap is so wide. 1600MHz DDR3 CL11 is about on par with 2133MHz DDR4 CL15. The only reason to get DDR4 now is if you need more than 32GB RAM. Those cases will be specific as @moviemarketing can tell you his need for more RAM. When DDR4 matures and the CL gap closes it will be the one to get. While Skylake can support both, the manufacturer may choose. I believe Clevo is choosing DDR4 only in the DMs and P650Rx models, at least. The frequency is, normally, the first choice if CL is close.
Check out this review between RAM.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/7

 

At the end of the day its your money and I think with all the comparison you have done on old vs new your making the right choice based on your wants and your budget. While I do like the extra capacity of the ddr4 and the potential of the 6820hk cpu it does raise the cost and for a machine like that I can see why you would want to lower the cost. If I wanted the same model you want I would be making similar buget minded decisions based on finding the best value for performance. This is the main reason I started investigating Clevo's in the first place.

 

Indeed.. That's why i went with the Batman instead of Batman 2.0... DDR4 isn't worth it and I had 32B 2133MHz RAM lieing around... The i7-6700K + DDR4 wasn't worth the extra IMO...

 

At the moment 2133mhz CL11 ram is still king of the hill until some decent DDR4 kits hit.

 

Or unless you want to run VR. That's why I'm personally probably going to be waiting for the 990M.

 

Or a high refresh rate display.

 

I already covered that when I said 120 Hz, that was implied.

 

I rather wait for the next line the pascal series I think it will be a much broader leap in performance and in the mean time the 980m is more than sufficient.

 

Eh....not sure about that. Running two 1080p panels at a rock-solid 90Hz is pretty challenging for a mobile card. Especially for the more demanding demos.

We typically run Titans in our VR demo machines at work (Valve). You really really don't want to start dropping frames.

 

I see what you mean and the 980m would struggle but for that kind of VR I have my doubts the next maxwell refresh will be able to give you that type of a performance leap over the 980m, but pascal from what I hear seems to be headed in that type of direction.

 

You work at Valve, huh? Me peanut butter and jelly.

 

Yeah, one of the reasons I want to upgrade (and switch to something without Optimus) is to be able to run a Vive kit with it. I'll report back how well it works once I pull the trigger!

 

@ccarollo so how about that HL3??

 

Let's uh stay on topic

 

SLI VR and tweaked would maybe cope but at the moment yes it's more titan-x levels at least.

 

Honestly with this asynchronous computing debacle I just wish for an AMD card on my next clevo. I don't want to spend a ton of money on a 980m or 990m if they aren't compatible with DX12 and any AMD card for half the price smokes them. Especially since the applications that can exceed the 980M power will probably be written in DX12 in the coming months/years (especially VR).

 

There is a lot of posturing around DX12, I don't think anything is really set with it yet.

 

Asynchronous is not mandatory in the api. Oxide decided to use it. They only use about 20% asynchronous for the total programmed and look forward to increasing it. Meanwhile, Nvidia asked them not to use it (because their solution isn't as quick at switching as amd). It is not that they don't have it, it just doesn't switch modes well. In any case, I agree with meaker. It isn't set in stone and other programmers may bend to Nvidia's requests more than oxide (if nothing else until Nvidia develops a better solution in upcoming products). Oxide has mentioned wanting to move to 50% async in the next couple years, and wouldn't be surprised at 100% in a decade. So time will tell.

 

Plus I am sure intelligent handling can reduce the overheads of switching too, very early days yet.

 

To a degree I agree. Amd has included this and honed it since 2011 or 2012. But no programmers or api revision adopted it. I could go off on anti-competitive behavior, but instead will leave it at that. Nvidia will come up with a solution, they are just temporarily at a disadvantage.

 

So when can we start seeing some discount on Sager Models ??? ;-)

 

Doesn't seem to be much getting marked down right now. I thought maybe there would be a bit more, but I'm not the guy who sets those prices.

 

I wouldn't expect them to offer any discounts... Most of the old models would be considered worth more since they are the end of sockets.

 

Previously prices have only dropped once new tech is available, but then why not get the new tech.

 

I mean it entirely depends on what you're looking for. Some people don't care about extra performance and just want something that is good but also is cheap/cheapish. Not me though, I'm all about having the latest and greatest (for the most part).

 

Being horribly unimpressed with the pricing of the new Skylake models I ordered a 650SE three days ago at the only reseller in Oz that still offered them. Got an email - out of stock. But got offered an upgrade to 650SG for only 200AUD. Snap. Happiness

 

Sounds like a great deal!