New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

Is anybody heard about this, about the new gtx980. Clevo P870DM's card got a 200w tdp, P775DM got a 180w tdp, MSI got 120w tdp on this card, that's why they are able to stuff two card into gt80
I'm just curious, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Exactly that's what it seems like...

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- P6xxRG(-G) have 8GB GTX980M
- P6xxRE3(-G) have 3GB GTX970M
- P6xxRE6(-G) have 6GB GTX970M
- P640RE has 3GB GTX970M

 

I hopped on the P6xxRG, VRAM for the win!

 

So if these aren't high-refresh-rate panels, what exactly does g-sync get you? Sub-60fps without tearing? That's...not super compelling.

 

75Hz panel refresh support, the panel refresh rate matches the GPU fps output - in simplistic terms! If you had a 120Hz panel without G-Sync then perhaps you could run some less demanding games at more than 75 fps, but with a powerful GPU you'll want to push ght image quality.

Correct as far as the Clevo models - the different TDP options in the chassis has been discussed widely in several threads but it's all getting mixed up!

There are lower TDP versions of the GTX 980 that will be available from Clevo, so SLI is possible with these less powerful versions - but of course SLI 980 will be more expensive than SLI 980M, and use more power so you're into massive or dual PSU territory.

 

Right, but if I'm only going from 60fps to 75fps that doesn't seem like that big a deal (compared to desktop g-sync panels that go to 144Hz).

Anyways, glad to see 980s hitting build configs!

 

It's actually a bigger difference than, say, going from 100Hz to 144Hz

 

You can always try for more if you like.

 

Undeniably less than 60 to 144 though!

 

Ofc

 

80-100hz is not bad either though

 

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Annnnndddd... The first few Skylake Clevos have arrived in the hands of users! See what they are saying here!

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/g...ming-notebooks-now-available-3984575-209.html

tl;dr so far: Good laptops are good, Aftershock delivers as per usual!

 

first user with a p750dm also posted already in the respective owner's lounge

and sure theyre great, didnt expect anything less of machines based on already great precedessors!

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Yeah, the previous Haswell versions were very popular and well received overall. I would expect the new models to carry that on, and still be some of our best sellers again.

 

Oh so that was what the number after RE was, thanks for the info! P640RE sounds very attractive in terms of weight and power, can't wait to see the reviews.

 

Guys like someone purchase internationally and if there is any issues then they have to send it back and again it will international shipping cost which will bear by customer.

 

Yes international shipping in any case has to be handled by the purchaser.

 

In case any fault in laptop then purchaser have to bear the cost of both side shipping. That's hurt lot.

 

You actually follow HWZ.sg? I visited the EDMW sub-forum and nearly got permanent brain damage (/r/Singapore is much more brain-friendly).

Well, looking at it again... The other sub-forums seem to be not too bad.

 

Yeah, I always stick around with the hardware and audiophile related sections, that's how I got to hear about all these

 

It depends who you purchase from and which country you are in - you should ask the company directly to confirm. For example, our warranty covers all international shipping inside Europe, but not to countries outside Europe.

 

Anyone able to tell me if these new Apacer DDR4 modules are likely to be compatible with the P750DM and P650RG?

http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/mobi...4gb-3ghz-ddr4-so-dimm-memory-kit-for-laptops/

 

Yes, inquiring minds would like to know -

 

The only memory validated in these chassis is 2133MHz. Samsung and Hyper-X 2133 works no problem at all and the 16GB Samsung 2133MHz SODIMMs also seem to run fine.

2400MHz+ is a different ball game. The 2400MHz Hyper-X worked fine and we sent it out in review systems which is why you will see it on notebookcheck, but an update rendered the 8GB 2400 modules unbootable. This isn't Hyper-Xs fault btw.

I don't know for sure if that Apacer is Hynix, Samsung or Micron but someone suggested to me that they are Micro - who usually excel at lower speed and timings opposed to higher speed and looser timings. Either way, it shouldn't work with any stock BIOS and only one person on here could say if it will work otherwise at 2400+. Tbh, as people have said on here before, the CAS or 2666MHz+ DDR4 SODIMMs is way up there so unless you need the highest possible bandwidth and don't care about latency then there's not a huge amount of point!

 

@XMG, unless I'm misunderstanding something, this makes me a little nervous. I ordered my 770DM from Mythlogic equipped with 2400MHz DDR4, so are you saying that those memory modules are not even supported by stock bios? I haven't received my system yet and so my assumption is that non functional memory wouldn't pass inspection but if that's the case I wonder why they are listing memory all the way up to 2666mhz as an option on the 750/770DM?

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They may have it on the bios version that it did work with, not the new one. They won't send you an inoperable machine. Calm down! They'll take care of you!!! Ask @mythlogic yourself! ;-)

 

@SierraFan07 ODMs like Clevo have set AVL (Authorised Vendor List) which basically includes components which they have tested and therefore validated to work in their systems. Companies like this will generally stick to default specifications - Haswell mem speed was 1600MHz, Skylake is 2133MHz - it simply means that anything faster than thee speeds is technically classsed as overclocked by Intel.

A component doesn't need to be validated for it to work, however if can't be guaranteed 100% to work unless it is validated or of course if a third party confirms that it works. This applies to the memory manufacturer and speed. Mythlogic don't say what SODIMMs they use, so Ii wouldn't want to advise for or against that - if they are offering 2400MHz then I'm sure they will have tested it and that it runs fine.

The exact reason why we removed the Hyper-X 2400 option is because a BIOS update to solve a bug stopped the laptops booting with the 8GB Hyper-X 2400 SODIMM (the 4GB still works ok).

What I said shouldn't work with the stock BIOS is the Apacer 3000Mhz memory. The 2666 Hynix based SODIMMs are impossible to get hold of in any numbers and the 2400 ones are also in short supply at the moment.

 

Ok, this makes sense, thanks for the clarification. I was never concerned that one of the vendors on here would send me a DOA unit, I just wasn't aware of the memory speed that was currently Intel certified. I guess it will be interesting to see how DDR4 and support for it develops in the future as one of the benefits was the fact that it could go faster @ lower voltage and larger capacities so if I'm understanding correctly, at some point that 2133mhz approved speed would increase and eventually there will be official support by Intel for higher speeds.

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The Intel speed is just their POR (see below) max speed, in reality it has no bearing on what the platform can actually support. It is limited ultimately by the hardware, but it's also down to the MB/chassis manufacturer - for example maybe one laptop manufacturer has hardware support to run 1.35V DDR4 but another has support for max 1.2 DDR4.

The maximum memory speed quoted by Intel will remain 2133MHz in the same way that Haswell was always 1600MHz. This is known as their POR (Plan Of Record) - a very crude parallel would be to say that MS Windows is on the Intel POR but Ububtu is not (well it wasn't last time I looked anyway). This doesn't mean that Ububtu won't work on an Intel platform, it just means that Intel don't provide official support for it.

 

@XMG - so in reality to only know if the memory will work is to try it. Not being an expert in memory settings, won't a SODIMM clock down if it is set lower in BiOS? In other words, isn't the mem's bus speed controlled in BIOS, and if I set it to 2133, won't 3000MHz just clock down, and keep this setting until a later BIOS comes out?

In regards to your pther comments, sounds like this is a question for @Prema.

 

it depends on the type of incompatibility. the type xmg is referring to is a total one: the machine doesnt boot with those sticks, no matter what kinda speed they sport, cuz the incompatibility lies within the bios.
if its just a speed thing, u could surely downclock the bandwidth using intel xtu (wont have the option in stock bios unless using premamod), but only if u boot the faster sticks together with the slower ones, otherwise ull again risk a non-bootable system at the first try. once uve input the xtu settings and set them to load at boot, u should then be fine running only the faster, downclocked sticks. just remember that any overclocking / win reinstall could potentially reset xtu to stock values and then ud be SOL again

btw, dont concern yourselves too much with ram speed! AT BEST, ull get like 1-5% of a performance boost when going from 2133 mhz to 3000+ mhz. most important for you is: amount of ram and dual vs. single channel. aside from thaty rather concern yourself with cpu, gpu and storage

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Thanks for all the great info guys, I learn something on here every day. As far as my particular situation, I'll just assume for now that the 2400mhz RAM that I put in my Mythlogic configuration is compatible or otherwise I'll receive a notification from them before it ships that they needed to use the 2133mhz and refund me the small price difference. Thanks again!

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The PxxxDMx Prema Mod BIOS will add support for a RAM speed up to 3200Mhz.
Stability will depend on motherboard, CPU & RAM combination.
It should boot up just fine with a JEDEC up to 2667Mhz with everything above that being done through XMP profiles or manual overclocking.
(Stock BIOS may boot the RAM well below that speed, but for the Mods I always disable those locks and let them boot according to the RAMs native speed).

 

jaybee, in general I agree, but pls keep in mind for me, GPU is almost irrelevant, and with the amount of memory intensive operations I need, even a slight boost in memory performance may go a long way. However, it is a valid point that the mem bus only needs to be fast enough to make sure the the cpu stays saturated with the amount of large data sets and caching going on.

 

Sounds like early teething issues with ram speeds, it maybe worth holding off until those trail blazers using prema's bios have testing some sticks so you know what will work

 

Mythlogic uses a custom Prema BIOS so I'm sure they have fully tested their systems for the RAM compatibility. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

Thanks... I spaced that they were partners when I wrote my response...

 

I've made the mistake more than once, hence why I remember it now LOL

 

Ok well that's just awesome, I had no idea!Thanks for the info.

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Yup, that's why I said "if they are offering 2400MHz then I'm sure they will have tested it and that it runs fine" - most of my post was in reply to the Apacer memory and then specifically about issues with the Hyper-X 2400MHz 8GB SODIMMs ;-) BUT, as Prema said above "The PxxxDMx Prema Mod BIOS will add support for a RAM speed up to 3200Mhz." - the Prema DM BIOS isn't available yet so I assume Mythlogic are using the stock Clevo BIOS at the moment on the DM models.

 

Are there no Clevo resellers in the US/Canada carrying the P650RE6? I can only find the RE3 with 970M 3GB.

 

Typically that is the more common configuration on the market, I would not be surprised to see the higher ram configs pop up later though.

 

I think right now the price points are just prohibitive to the 6gb version. The price difference to the 3gb 970m and 8gb 980m (P650RG) is about $400 it looks like right now, so if you raised the price for a 6gb version, more people would likely just go with the 980m 8gb over the 970m 6gb.

 

The Prema Mod Partner Shops always get their custom Mods ahead of public releases...

 

@Prema

Ok fair enough, but as you said "will add support" and not "Mythlogic already have their Partner Shop Prema Mod version" it wasn't very clear.

 

https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/

 

So do the new Sagers have TB3? I'm debating on Asus g752 vs Sager NP8678-S. Suggestions?

 

they do, but only the P7 series, not the P6

 

Possibly checkout the NP9778, however this only has USB 3.1 gen 2, not TB3.