New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

I haven't heard of any 15 inch models with it. Only 17 or 18 inch models to come with the 980.

 

Yeah, a specced out P750DM is still gonna be a mighty powerful machine with still some room to grow. I'm not sure there's anything in a 15" package that will really go toe to toe with the 870DM but these new 750/770DMs are mighty powerful machines and with the option of eGPU via Thunderbolt3 on these rigs they still have the ability of holding their own into the future

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Hoping at some point we may see 120W MXM version of desktop GTX 980 that is compatible with P750DM.

From what I've read, though, it sounds like it will be a special kind of MXM card with larger size that may only fit in 17" laptops.

 

Okay, it seemed that way from my reading too. I've been a bit out of the tech world for the last while, and realizing this may not be the most appropriate thread for this, I'm a little saddened by fairly minimal gain over the past few years but anyway, I'm looking at i7 6700k, 980M, no DDR4 ram yet (will wait for price drop) and it doesn't seem like the M2's are worth it either.

My only question is probably more geared for Luna but I'd welcome anyone else's input. I use my lappy for photo editing and gaming, and am trying to work out FHD 16:9 IPS vs 4K QFHD. Is it worth the extra $125-150?

 

with single gpu specced out the P750DM will get you around 75% of the Phoenix' performance with a healthy overclock ull be able to reach around 90% of its stock performance with a single 980.

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This Sager model comes with 980 M
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8658s-clevo-p650rg-p-8663.html

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Yes 980M, not 980

 

Sorry my bad

 

Don't worry, you are not the first and won't be the last to make that mistake. Nvidia naming strikes again :/ I get what they are trying to do but still.

 

Yep they should have used a different name for this card, like 990M.

I imagine there are a lot of potential buyers who simply won't comprehend there is any difference at all between desktop GTX 980 (for Notebooks) and 980M.

Not to mention there are also three different flavors of this card in 200W, 180W and 120W.

 

I'm kind of predicting the same thing with explaining the difference from the 980m to the 980 quite frequently

I think Nvidia went with the "980" as it has the branding from the desktop market and is known as a powerful card, so i believe they are just trying to build on that.

 

Really? I did not know this, how does this work/effect the 980 in each system?

 

Ethrem has a good explanation of them here- http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-questions-to-reseller-thread.656776/page-80 (post 799)

Less power would typically mean not as good performance. so the 200w would be the top performing 980 variant

 

So out of curiousity, what are you all going to go for? SLI g980m or Single Desktop g980? I wonder the pro and cons of each, and what ones cool better.

SLI g980m = Slightly Better FPS, more expensive, Dx11?

desktop g980 = eGPU SLI possible? less expensive, Dx12?

 

Which NVIDIA GPUs will support DX12?
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3711/~/which-nvidia-gpus-will-support-dx12?

"Which NVIDIA GPUs will support DX12?

NVIDIA will support the DX12 API on all DX11-class GPUs it has shipped; these belong to the Fermi, Kepler and Maxwell architectural families. At launch, DirectX 12 is supported by all Maxwell and Kepler GPUs. Fermi will receive DX12 support later this year (expected around the first wave of DX12 content)."

Long list of models supported:
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M
...

 

Not necessarily better performance with the GTX 980m SLI, as some games doesn't scale well with SLI.

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From my understanding, I was told that being supported is different then the full version of Dx12?

Sager website says the following
NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 980M (8.0GB) GDDR5 PCI-Express DX11 (Maxwell) w/ G-SYNC™ Technology

 

The 980M and 980 have the same chip, so the same features.

 

Unfortunately, it seems a lot of folks who are into PC gaming without having owned enthusiast laptop before tend to assume the laptop graphics cards are always a gimped version of the same numbered desktop card.

Perhaps this has to do with recent roadmaps (where modified versions of a single chip are used for various desktop and mobile cards) ending up being too complex for most consumers to grasp how these differences apply to their usage needs. Many gaming & tech websites also seem to favor the hollow clickbait articles over in depth analysis of hardware components.

I suppose as long as the GTX 980 (for Notebooks) is limited to 17" models, the typical buyer is probably a bit more informed than most, or at least has selected performance as a clear priority over portability.

 

I have just recently got back into building computers, but have never bought a gaming laptop before. This is the first time that I have seen them be up to par with a desktop for an affordable price.

But I find the computer/hardware industry very confusing these days, There is also alot of mis-information out there, including legit websites and alot of people misinforming each other which seems to causes a chain reaction. Not to mention it seems like everyone is confused but the enthusiasts. Makes it much harder for an average gamer/computer builder like me whos not always up to date with current information.

 

HK,HQ,MX,MQ and K & NON-K VERSION these all are mobile version cpu ?

 

I believe only HK, HQ, U and H for Skylake mobile processors. No socketed mobile CPUs (MQ, MX) since Haswell.

 

Does sager offering desktop cpu also ?

 

yes they do machines with up to haswell 4790K and up to skylake 6700K. too tired to enumerate the sager designations, but clevo names are as follows: P750ZM/P770ZM for haswell and P750DM/P770DM/P775DM/P870DM for skylake desktop cpu.

btw, there are actually four versions of the 980 (at least that we know of thus far):

200W in P870DM
180W in P775DM
150W in GT72S
120W in GT80

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Oh wow, the 980 SLI in GT80 is only 120W? Any idea how the 120W version compares to 980M?

I gather we will eventually see 120W MXM 980 SLI option for the P870DM as well, no?

 

the stock clocks wont be that much different among the 980 models, at least not for the core. vram is definitely less than 7gbps, probably 5-6. the tdp envelope rather makes a difference in overclocking ability thats where ull see major gaps appear
980 sli in the phoenix using 120w cards is theoretically possible,but will still need some modding due to the fact that theres only one external power supply cable from the mobo, but each 120w card needs a separate cable of its own.

the 200w card beats the 980M by 30-35%, whereas the 150W is around 21-27%. so for the 120W model id say 20%ish. nothing u wouldnt be able to catch up to or beat with a healthy oc on a 980M (almost) no chance to catch up to the 200W model though, unless u have an extremely nice overclocker = golden sample 980M at your disposal

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if anyone's interested, finally a thread collecting all the 980 model data in one place over at TI

http://forum.techinferno.com/showthread.php?p=147161

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Hmm, so if I understand correctly, if I'm using 980M in a laptop with good cooling like P870DM or P770DM, I may be able to overclock it as much as 20%, but if it had 120W GTX 980, I would probably be limited to very small overclock?

So I wonder, for creative applications with GPU acceleration like After Effects and Premiere, which would be better if I got P870DM:

1. 980M SLI OC 20% (is that really stable?)
2. 120W 980 MXM SLI with small OC
3. 200W GTX 980 OC

 

If AE and Premiere can take advantage of two gpus (do they?) then that´s the way to go. Davinci Resolve uses all gpu´s it has available on the system.

 

Yep they both support multi-GPU. Not sure exactly how much they scale, but as of CC at least they can utilize both GPUs.

A bit more uncertain about overclocking the GPU. CPU might be overclocked but pretty sure at work our GPUs run only stock clocks. I don't recall using either of these applications before with OC graphics. I suppose as long as it's stable OC it should probably help reduce render times a bit, no?

 

Overclocking should be able to help you out with rendering times, and yes you want to make sure they are stable. Of course it always is going to vary a little bit by the individual CPU and GPU, and how good the sample is. But 10-15% increase on the GPU is usually easy to get.

 

There are actually TWO 4-pin power connectors on the Phoenix motherboard.

 

No scaling involved on this kind of applications, the gpu's don't need to be sli connected. If you give them enough load they'll be fully utilized, it's not perfect but you'll get almost double performance with 2 980m's vs 1 980m.

Yep, as pat said, you can get more performance by oc'ing the gpu, just make sure it's stable.

 

ah no, dont get me wrong. i was comparing the different tdp variants of the 980, which dont differ much in stock clocks, but the overclocking ability will differ greatly due to additional power phases installed. as for the 980M, it generally is a very nice overclocked and ull more likely hit a power restraint limit rather than the chip limit when overclocking 20% and more boost is definitely in a realistic realm with the 980m. as for the 980 models, well just have to wait and see...

performance-wise, it will depend on how much an application will be able to profit from a sli configuration. if everything is optimal though, 980 sli will be fastest, followed by 980M sli and last but not least 980 single

yes true,but only one of them is actually populated, if i remember correctly. thats why prema was thinking out aloud to split the existing cable to use it for a sli setup in any case, at this point in time its too early to say anything definitive anyways. could very well be that 980 sli setups will officially be offered sometime later.

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Argh, Aftershock has confirmed that they have discontinued their 13 inch models. This means most probably no more new models for now...?

 

Once again - have you checked out the P640RE?

 

Actually both are there, we realized after. No splitting cables needed.

http://forum.techinferno.com/clevo-...a-phoenix-executive-lounge-19.html#post146741

 

So what would you all choose if given the choice for the Clevo p870dm, Sli gtx980m, or Desktop gtx980?

 

sli 980 of course

thx for the headsup @ssj92

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What even the MXM 120W versions have a power cable? Guess P750/770ZM won't be so easy to upgrade...

 

It depends on if the connector is required for operation too. We will have to wait and see as people test it.

 

On the GT72S, the 150w 980 doesn't require to power connector.

We will have to see what goes into the GT80.

I'm sure we'll figure a way to get desktop 980 in the 15/17ZM/DM models

 

the GT72S board is way too funky to be considered for any other machines in any case, even if the 980 were made compatible to the ZM series, i wouldnt consider it as am upgrade. still too close to the 980M, performance wise, to be of any interest to me

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The 980 (desktop) is at least 25% faster than a 980M stock to stock.

I'm assuming you have yours overclocked?

Wait until I get my hands on the 980, I'll be sure to widen that gap further.

 

yep i do and come up to 6% of the 200W 980 or even with the 150W 980 at stock. sure, that gap will widen again to the same stock vs. stock performance, but thats not my point i expect any potential upgrade gpu to be at least 50% faster than my highest possible overclock, only then ill be satisfied to warrant an upgrade

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I never said it would bring it to stock to stock performance after I play with it

What's your gpu score in 3dm11 and 3dmFS? Curious as to how high you got your 980m. I was able to get my old 970m to 1510mhz/6ghz if I remember correctly.

I expect the 200w 980 to overclock nicely in the P870DM.

 

It's not really an upgrade for 980m users to be fair, it's more for those on the 680m/780m kind of machines now.

 

I did so already and was hoping that they would bring it in.

 

The P640RE hasn't been officially announced yet by Clevo. Heck, Aftershock still hasn't put up even the P870DM yet (Marcus told me it'd take at least a month and a half more). I think we can rest assured that the P640RE will only be sold by Aftershock well into next year (maybe March or so).

 

so a laptop thats launching in March 2016 doesnt have USB-C port? what is clevo thinking ?