New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

As I always say - if Apple has got one thing right, it's the aspect ratio on their MacBook Pros - 16:10 is the way to go.

 

I think it would be nice, just the market demand for 16:9 is so popular, not sure that many would pay extra for the 16:10 unless it has a fruit on it

 

i dont think "market" ever demanded 16:9 displays for laptops and even desktops. It was imposed by the display cartel because 16:9 was cheaper or something as they shared the same factor and tooling with the tvs.

 

I remember watching letterbox mode on a 4:3 display, thereby demanding a 16:9 so i didn't get half of the screen spaced used to display black bars

 

most people went from 4:3 to 16:10 then 16:9

 

Exactly. The display market is an oligopoly - we consumers are forced to accept whatever the makers choose to produce and the displays are priced at whatever price the manufacturers choose. Since the lay-person has no idea about the nitty-gritty detail of displays and aspect ratios, their ignorance is taken advantage of by the manufacturers who proudly proclaim that their products are 'Full-HD certified' or 'Ultra-HD' with a nice, legitimate-looking logo.

Us power users lose out. I very nearly got a MacBook Pro just for the 16:10, it's that important to me. I couldn't care less for 100 pixels worth of letter-boxing if I watch videos. I want more vertical room for typing code, LaTeX, other documents and playing games. By that logic, 16:10 (or even 3:2, they're not too far apart) is a very good compromise.

Now display manufacturers are going full retard and making 21:9 screens. Who on earth needs so much horizontal screen space?

 

Oh there are plenty of legitimate users for the super wide screen as well, but more choice would be nice.

 

I was a 16:10 user as well, but you've got the wrong enemy here. I've switched to a 21:9 screen because I see it as two smaller more square screens to work with (11:5:9 is very similar to 4:3). I significantly prefer it for productivity tasks: coding, LaTex, etc.

16:9, however, is the devil.

 

lets go all out, 50:9 displays here we come!

 

30:9 would essentially be triple screen eyefinity lol

 

there would be so much room for activities!

 

I would like to see Clevo releasing laptops with meaningful updates.

They release new version every time a small update is released. IMO they ought to wait for small features to be available at one time to have a substantial release.

AKA, P770ZM then P770ZM with G-Sync. Clevo ought to have waited until they could offer a single P770ZM with G-Sync option. And they should have released the P770ZM with thunderbolt/USB Type C rather than updating that once again later with a very minor Skylake update. 3 laptops, 3 SAME laptops with very very very minor changes within 6 months. Even Apple doesn't do that...

They should have skipped the desktop GTX 980 update. The next update should be with Pascal. For less money than GTX 980 build, can build SLI 980M which would crush the GTX 980 build. Just saying, it's a lame update.

 

naughty boy

@Zymphad: indeed it is lame and not worth "sidegrading" to if youre already a ZM owner. but its just business: people see something "new" and just WANT to have it = spending money. clevo wins, consumer wins (cuz hes got the newest of the new), win-win

 

Plus every other manufacture does it as well, if Clevo didn't update along the way, they could get beat by the competition and no longer be relevant. There's always new stuff coming out, which is the balance of figuring out when to come out with it and when it might not be something the consumers will demand.

 

FWIW, I wonder if that was just a bad timing issue?

I have no idea if this is true, but what if the ZM was really, really close to release, and another part of the company said they had GSync almost ready, but not quite. The powers that be decided to ship the one using the original tech, and release the other one as soon as it was ready, thus the delay between editions. Again just a guess.

In regards to lappies since then, the P870DM will ship at the same time as P870DM-G. It appears this will also be the same for the P775DM-G, so there's been no lag between releases since the ZM

If I read your previous posts correctly, I'm sorry you got caught up in it. I wonder if there's a way to contact your reseller to see if your display is G-Sync ready, and you can flash a G-Sync VBIOS or perhaps they'll let you swap out for G-Sync LCD/MxM for a small fee.

 

That would give me 4x (12.5x9), which is also quite close to 4:3. I'd need to get a way bigger desk though!

 

They kind of had to do it. Look at all the ranting in this thread for TB3 and eGPUs when there's almost nothing available to use. This port may go unused for some time but it's there.

 

Consumer choice is never a bad thing.

They are in a damned if you do or damned if you don't situation.

Some people HATE SLI and will never buy it, they want the fastest single card performance possible. Again choice.

 

But two 200 W monsters, if they release one mirrored to the current one out, with a single, unified heatsink, would be huge. Or in a socket 2011 situation having four fans with fins stretching the entire length of the back (or close to it), thick enough to handle the 145W+200W+200W, with only m.2s to make way for the extra space if need be, to give the single card, or sli, best performance possible...

 

That's an option too, but the cost and weight would turn most people (as seen with the P570WM).

 

Clevo already skipped Broadwell entirely for most of their range (technically you can stick a Broadwell cpu into the ZM series)...

The gaming laptop market at the moment is highly competitive. There's no way they can skip anything nowadays. Especially given that CannonLake is being delayed til at LEAST mid 2017. They would drive themselves out of the market by falling behind. The first ones with the shiny new tech are the ones who get in front. When people are holding onto these machines for at least 2-3 years you simply cannot afford to be behind (especially when something like G-Sync is a relatively minor change).

Pascal is still a long way away.

Are you sure you're not just a bit bitter they've made your ZM obsolete? To be fair, anyone who bought into the ZM series probably should've seen it coming. Haswell CPUs were already 1.5 years old by the time the ZMs were made.

 

I always thought it was the thickness (partially weight), and needing two psu that turned them... But point taken.

 

declaring the ZM series obsolete is a bit harsh... dont let my dark knight hear that, he will smite you! the regular DMs only consist of gimmicks that dont give u any real life performance boost whatsoever. and nope, im not "defending" my buying choice here or "trying" to make the DM series look bad for my personal pleasure. its just facts. go ahead and make a performance comparison between a fully decked out ZM and DM and ull get...identical performance +/- 2-3%, thats it
anyone wanting a real upgrade would go for a 980 in the 775DM or the 870DM, no other choices atm
btw, if anyone comes along yelling tb3 and pcie 3.0, i will smack him! these are gimmicks at this point in time and give you zero actual benefits! there are no egpu enclosures and no m.2 ssd that saturates four pcie 3.0 lanes, especially not in the most important small file size / 4KB performance area

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2% - 3% between both systems on idle? Or 2% - 3% between the two on full load? The relativity is important here, jaybee! (Not really, I'm just being facetious.)

 

Don't forget to also set the multipliers the same to guarantee an apples to apples comparison, and have that multiplier set so neither cpu throttles! need controls of variables to get the comparison...

 

Taking into account the Cinebench and wPrime scores (@4.5ghz) HTWingnut posted on his DM review thread, i benched my 4790K at 4.5ghz with the same programs and it turns out the 6700K is 7.5% faster. To get the same temps i had to undervolt by -70mv (still stock paste, no mods).

 

That's surprising considering most 6700Ks can't do 4.5GHz without being oven heaters or even reaching those temps.. My 4790K probably can do 4.6-4.8GHz with low volts... Will need to test but 4.5GHz runs perfectly with low temps...

 

thus far it looks like the 6700k can reach similar clocks to the 4790k with lower temps at same voltages considering the ipc performance bump is meh, this voltage advantage is actually a nice goodie!

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Exactly. I was not talking about Haswell vs Skylake, the differences between 6700K and 4790K is negligible.

My issues aren't earth shattering. IPS display? Been around forever, AW, Apple, Lenovo and few others been doing it forever. This is 2015, about time IPS is standard in 17" DTR notebooks. G-Sync support? That is a HUGE selling point for 980M. Games play just fine on older 880M and on AMD hardware. But G-Sync, that's something significant.

Did Clevo need to release the ZM series as fast as possible foregoing the above? NO, the answer is solid NO.

ZM owners bought this machine for 4790K. That's something NO other OEM has to offer. Clevo could have delayed ZM for half a year and we would have waited. That is a feature worth waiting for. 4790K with Z97 chipset, with absolutely no Optimus support? That is a dream! A dream we have been asking for since Intel has been destroying DTR and laptop gaming.

 

Skylake and desktop 980 are moot issues for me. If Clevo released the ZM with the above + USB-C or thunderbolt, I have no interest at all in the 2nd iteration of ZM or DM model.

Skylake is a non-issue and it's release was a mess. Intel continuously had to delay and delay. Desktop 980 in MXM, that's just Nvidia trying to cash in on more money because of Kepler delay. I don't care about either of those.

For 1080p DX11 gaming, 980 desktop don't care from me. GTX 980 desktop isn't powerful enough for 4K gaming, so again, who cares from me. 980M does DX11 1080p gaming just fine and I'll wait on 4K gaming until GPUs at reasonable cost and power requirements can do so. Desktop 980 is not the answer to 4K gaming. 4K gaming, I wouldn't bother unless I had a 980 Ti or AMD's Fury.

 

Oh,

This one I would think shouldn't be a problem for Clevo to tackle. A keyboard made for 17" laptops? Yeah? C'mon, this should have been done 10 years ago.

 

no one was forced to buy it, you could have waited but you chose knowing it didn't have g-sync to buy anyways....buyers remorse plain and simple....no ones fault but your own

 

And this is why they make a lot of models -- if Skylake is lower temps than Haswell and the 980 more comfortably runs VR, those are both huge selling points for me!

 

If temps of 6700k @4.5 are in the high 80s/ low 90s, then it is roughly the same as the 4790k, but with about 7.5% more performance at that clock (except for ram intensive activities because of latency of ddr4). So the 980 is the selling point...

 

Well, they run CL14@2667Mhz and then some...so not too much Latency problems...

 

I was referring to the cl14 at 2400 compared to cl11 ddr3. Now, down the road, that latency will be less, but in a review I've seen of the 4790k vs 6700k, it impacts linpack by up to 20% slower. Now, this was one review, but it does make sense. Meanwhile, it did not negatively effect cpu or gpu benchmarking (or wasn't apparent). That's going off of mobile ram latencies for what is currently available. Overall, I mark it a wash (a side-grade until higher speed rams are available). Still waiting for more thermal reviews on the 6700k to see if the DM is worth it (excluding the wingman which is worth it for layout and gpu support (and thicker fins on cooling)...

 

I am interested what the big IGP with cache and DDR4 will manage, could be a nice backup while on the go performance wise.

 

what dm? P770DM? P870DM? P775DM?

If you do mean the Phoenix, I'm a bit perplexed why you would say the wingman is worth it, but not the Phoenix. Everyone seems to be gushing on the new cooling of Phoenix Rising. Is Wingman's cooling components superior? TBH, I thought Wingman's would be a tad less robust in dispelling heat.

 

I was meaning the 750/770. The 775 has a unified heatsink like the 750/770, but with thicker fin depth, which can provide extra cooling, as well as coverage for the extended mxm cards (but not the wider 200W monster). The Phoenix seems to have better cooling than the 750/770. It separates the heatsink for the GPU and CPU. The CPU has wider heat pipes and thicker fin depth as well. Now, as to being better, because of different styling, I'm withholding judgement. Much of the unified heatsink problems came from warping and contact issues with the copper plate contact, not the heat pipes or the fins and shroud by the blower fan. It also allowed a lot of heat to offload to low heat parts of the GPU side. The wider heat pipes and extra fin depth may compensate for the lack of offloading to the GPU side, but I'm still withholding judgement until more is known. Advantages of having it separate include greater quality control, which gives better contact, and easier serviceability. It also controls for the potential heat flow going to the CPU from that monster 200W when overclocked or an sli situation, as well as issues that would arise balancing contact for all parts, imperfections in copper plates, etc. So, to answer your question, I believe the Phoenix CPU heatsink may improve heat control, but want more info first, whereas I can say the 775 does, but may be offset by a 150W or 180W card's extra tdp (heat flow from GPU to CPU), something I doubt, giving a little more headroom over standard 750/770s. But I haven't held either the 775 or 870s in my hands yet.

Edit: this isn't saying that the cooling on all of these machines aren't amazing. They are!!! Cooling a desktop gpu with heat issues enough to get 200mhz under a desktop air cooled CPU average overclock without further mod (if it is making good contact) is pretty impressive! That is pushing high 80s to low 90s at 4.5, which is decently consistent with good contact and a good paste job on every one of these machines (with undervolt on the zm series necessary, and some dm as well). So I'm waiting for it on the copy side while thinking the increased air flow in the bottom and gpu cooling solutions in the Phoenix and wingman are AMAZEBALLZZZ!!! Most of this isn't a comment on these machines, but rather a lack of reliable temp testing on the 6700k compared to its Haswell counterpart...

 

Why not just go with the full mech keyboard

O just give it time

 

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thanks for the clarification, and verification of what I was thinking as well regarding these two newer Clevos.

 

any news about this machine?

 

Which machine are you referring?

 

clevo 870DM

 

Check out Mr. Fox's review of it at tech inferno (link found at the p870dm thread in this forum).

 

Some stuff in this thread - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ners-lounge-phoenix-has-arisen.781814/page-63

@MrFox has posted some early review type stuff in the forum last week as well as this week too

 

It will be a beast

 

well i'm reading
https://biosmods.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/sky-x9/2/

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I got the sager 9758 aka clevo p750dmg and it is doing so great very glad I went with it and is giving me no issues. the i5 6600k and 980m will last me for years to come with this type of power I see. Gaming and editing are improved vastly vs the normal thin laptops in the stores. Im very happy I got this and thanks to the forum and everybody with the comments and info regarding these clevos. . Its so sick knowing I have all this pc power in a laptop and that I can even upgrade it over time if i wanted to make it even more powerful. Brought it over to a friends house who had a ps4 ...and he was speechless a system smaller than a ps4 has a screen attached and so much power in a portable package. Just like the other clevos like the sm-a and the se/sg series I got a huge bang for my buck.

 

Time to update that signature then! Show off that new system with pride.
But that is awesome to hear that you like the system and the forum as a whole helped out. Congrats!