New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

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I think I'll wait for the Clevo P775DM with a 980 instead of the 870DM. I just think it's a much nicer looking laptop. Particularly where the display is concerned.

 

It's nice to have the choice, the differences are subtle but they add up.

 

If the bios gets the love the Phoenix is getting, I can see why (also slightly more mobile). But I'm getting reeled in on the Phoenix!

 

I know, it's always tempting to go for the big beasty, I have given in to that urge in the past, I did not regret it in the end

 

I do like the looks of the P775DM, hope the wait isn't to long. That 870DM is beastly but i think it looks pretty cool still.

 

totally agree! the 775 looks like a batman on steroids! kinda like swapping out an athletic christian bale with a buffed up ben affleck *lol*

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It's been a while since I posted here... Still not much news on models below 15 inch other than the P640RE?

Or should I just look at 15 inch models instead but go for the lighter ones?

 

I still don't think there have been any definitive dates on the P640RE, and I haven't seen anything on a 13 inch that is similar.

You could wait it out a little bit longer, hopefully we will have some news soonish. But I suppose, it depends on if your current system is dying and need a replacement soon.

 

Thankfully my NP8170 is still running strong! But the 560M is preventing me from playing those new games (read: Fallout 4) though lol (and upgrading it to a 680M is not cost effective I think)

 

You could always reach out to where you purchased your computer and see what the price might be on a 680m, then weigh it out. Still got some time to maybe find out before 640 launches...

 

Would love to do just that, except that the company no longer exists!

I checked online sellers like RJTech and Eurocom, the lowest I can get is about 500 SGD (S&H included). Considering the age of the CPU I am using (i.e. considered too old for some games and applications) and other components (especially the USB ports; they are a little loose now) and some of my needs changing (e.g. needing a lighter and more portable chassis), I decided against that upgrade.

 

Ok wait, I just realised that Aftershock released a 14 inch. Very surprised considering that weeks ago they said they won't be continuing their 13 inch laptops...

 

Well, as I said. Marcus hinted to me back in May that there was a 14" notebook in the pipeline, and now they've released it. I'v been expecting it all along, but I'm sticking with my W230SS for a year more, waiting out for Pascal.

 

Hey guys, I haven't checked into Clevo for a while and am now again completely lost with their horrible website and many models.

What happend to the W230? It seems completely discontinued...
I'm leaning toward a 15" now anyway, but 2kg and small footprint. Is Clevo making something to compete with the Dell XPS infinity style?

Is there anywhere a good site to get a good orientation in the Clevo model jungle? Just comparing cases is where I'd like to start. Dimensions, ports and weight.

Who makes the above mentioned Aftershocks 14?

 

Resellers like ourselves let you sort models by screen size, there is the 14 inch model launching soon which may meet your needs.

 

Hey, it actually isn't too bad. Just head over to 'Products' and there you have a neat list of all their products on the left side-bar, grouped by 'Gaming' or 'Enthusiast' or whatsoever.

Yes, the W230Sx series has been discontinued, in favour of the P640RE. The P640RE is within your mass constraint, and has a slightly smaller screen size (14" vs 15"), but has a fairly powerful GPU and an option for an overclock-able CPU. The Aftershock S-14 is simply the reseller branding for the Clevo P640RE, and Aftershock is a reseller based in Singapore. Many other sites like Metabox, Multicom have also begun pre-orders for the notebook.

As for a general list of all recent Clevo notebooks, in decreasing order of size, mass and performance, see below.

Desktop replacements; huge, heavy and very, very powerful (think DESKTOP components in notebook chassis):

1. P870DM (Owner's Lounge)
2. P775DM (Owner's Lounge)
3. P770DM (Same Owner's Lounge as above)
4. P750DM (Same as above)

Performance Notebooks; lighter, still quite powerful but more portable:

1. P67xRG (Owner's Lounge)
2. P65xRG (Same Owner's Lounge as above)
3. P65xRE (Same Owner's Lounge as above)
4. P65xRA (Does not have an Owner's Lounge)
5. P640RE (Owner's Lounge linked above, does not have Clevo link)

There are only minor differences between all the models (on the Clevo website): 651 vs 650 vs 655 signifies the finish on the lids (I think); the 650RE-3 or RE-6 signifies the VRAM (3 or 6 GB); the SA/SE/SG signifies the GPU: GTX 965M, 970M or 980M respectively, and finally, 64x vs 65x vs 67x signifies the screen size: 14", 15" and 17" respectively. The -G suffix shown in the Clevo webpage signifies that the notebook has G-Sync.

In reality, there really are only just 6 models now: P870DM, P77xDM, P75xDM, P67xRx, P65xRx and P640RE (where lowercase x signifies some letter or numeral). It's just different combinations of slightly different specs that gives rise to the huge list at the Clevo website.

Also, you might see references to ZM instead of DM, and Sx instead of Rx - these are simply the Haswell models of the current products, and also have some older specs like DDR3 instead of DDR4, no Thunderbolt, etc.

That's about it. There also exist the P37xSM and P57xWM but those are older models - same generation as the W230Sx i.e. around 2013 to 2014, but they now have been discontinued.

 

Ah, so this is what you meant back then...

I wonder which Clevo chassis it is under...

 

I thought that was obvious - what else could it be? It's the P640RE.

 

Lol, silly me. Maybe I am studying a little too much to be able to make that connection!

And I can't find that model on Clevo's website. Maybe it is a matter of time...

 

Thank you SRSR333! That was what I was looking for. The Clevo website needs some kind of hirarchical tree view. But other brands have a similar chaos. As if selecting a screen size and OS would help anything in finding a laptop.

I always go with body first. Ports are the most important equipment and things like keyboard.

I got used to my 15.6" and need to stay with it. Getting to 2kg Clevo doesn't offer anything right now. The smallest case I find is 2.5kg.

Seeing how well received the XPS 15 is now I really wonder why other manufacturers don't and didn't get it earlier. I'd have designed like that 5 years ago. Asus had a great "world's smallest 14" 3 years ago.
Why are all current models so freaking unnecessarily large? Save 2 cm footprint and make it 2mm thicker for god's sake.

 

The 14 inch is pretty small, so smaller machines are on the way.

 

It's not your fault, Clevo don't have it on their website for a reason. IMO some people have started to offer this laptop for pre-order way too early, even the first pre-production sample chassis were only sent out very recently.

Don't forget that the main reason for the XPS 15 having such a small footprint is because the keyboard doesn't have a num pad, most people seem to expect that on a 15" laptop or more specifically a 15" + gaming laptop so Clevo chassis at this size are always likely to have a bigger footprint. It would also restrict cooling performance, those extra 2-3cm could double the size of the fan/heatsink or add more storage/bigger battery etc etc ;-)

 

To be frank - the XPS series is overpriced. Not MacBook levels of over-priced ($2500 for the M9 370X and a pretty screen is a joke) but, it's bad enough. I mean, $1700 for a GTX 960M? I could get a significantly more powerful Clevo that's more configurable and has better specs (and the only downside is that it looks slightly drab) for the same amount of money.

Clevo models today have large bezels, because the WiFi antennae are in the bezels where there aren't any large metallic pieces to cause significant interference and signal attenuation. Many 'all metal unibody laptops' have terrible WiFi performance solely because the antenna placement has a lot of room for improvement. Granted, narrow bezels look nice and save space, but it also puts the screen under considerably more stress (drop an XPS 15, and you're a goner).

 

But also because the main driver behind the bezel size is that it has to match the size of the base of the chassis. If you have lots of components in the chassis, it will be wider and the more wide it is than the panel the bigger the bezels will be.

 

Ah I see, I guess reviews won't be coming soon?

That alone stopped me from considering the XPSes.

 

Well, the main reason for the XPS's small footprint is that finally someone thought about reducing the footprint to the minimum. That's what its hype is about and rightly so! I hope it will become standard in the future. Too bad they kicked the numpad, of course that's a big minus and I think unnecessary. If they reduce the size of the arrow keys to something totally weird, they could've also added a weird numpad. There's lots of space on the keyboard's sides.

And you are right, people are complaining about wireless radio issues due to the metal case.

This is something that went completely wrong in recent history. A cheap, old and inferior material (Aluminium) has managed to appear modern and exclusive - which it absolutely isn't.
Plastic is so much more advanced, lighter, more durable, doesn't bend or dent and no issues with radio signals. Unfortunately most people think about plastic in terms of yoghurt containers. For some reason pop cans are more exclusive ;-)

In terms of volume for a laptop it should always go into the thickness. 2cm wider makes it a lot more ungainly. The same volume is gained by increasing the thickness by 1mm - and that won't be noticed, especially in terms of handling and storage. Stability also only increases.

Sure, the XPS is overpriced, but I'd pay a lot if I could get my perfect laptop. I even thought about designing my own, because I see overlap with other people and it should sell - hell the XPS 15 does and that's what I'd have made, but without skimping out on ports and keyboard and maybe in plastic. I'd have lost many Macintosh fanboys but gained people on the workstation and gaming side. Although I don't need a big GPU. I'll use CUDA, but no games, so even a 960M works for me.

 

Good to see that you have figured out what you need; after all brands and models don't mean much if they don't fit you.

And as for the numpad, I think there are USB numpads being sold for less than 10 bucks; you can consider them too.

 

Reviews will not be too far away

 

I beg to differ - aluminium is very strong and environmentally-friendly. Most heavy jetliners until now have aluminium fuselages (except the 787 and A350 and parts of the 777, A380 and 747-8). These jet-liners are very reliable and many 30-, 40-year-old planes are still flying well with continuous maintenance and upkeep.

Plastic is a good material, yes - it's advanced and strong, but it absolutely kills the environment and ecosystems. They are not biodegradable. Also, plastic does not bend or dent? The Mohs scale value of plastic is somewhere around that of aluminium.

Aluminium was once thought to be so valuable that the French royalty replaced their silverware with aluminium cutlery.

 

um....there are biodegradeable plastics and the production of aluminum has an insane environmental impact...

just to give an idea:

"Overall, the entire process of transforming raw bauxite into aluminum is incredibly energy intensive, requiring copious amounts of electricity, water and resources to produce (that is the main reason why power plants are built solely to support the aluminum industry).

Since pure aluminum ore is so stable, an extraordinary amount of electricity is required to yield the final product and, at least in the U.S., half of the smelting energy consumed is courtesy of coal, one of the most notoriously polluting fuel sources known to mankind.

The EPA says that the release of perfluorocarbons during the aluminum smelting process are 9,200 times more harmful than carbon dioxide in terms of their affect on global warming.

When bauxite is extracted from the earth, the strip-mining process removes all native vegetation in the mining region, resulting in a loss of habitat and food for local wildlife as well as significant soil erosion.

The caustic red sludge and toxic mine tailings that remain are commonly deposited into excavated mine pits where they ultimately seep into aquifers, contaminating local water sources.

Greenhouse gas emissions released during smelting and processing (which have been found to blanket surrounding regions with toxic vapors) include carbon dioxide, perfluorocarbons, sodium fluoride, sulfur dioxide, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon and a vast list of other problematic elements.

Particulates released during processing that are known to compromise air quality include combustion byproducts, caustic aerosols, dust from bauxite, limestone, charred lime, alumina and sodium salt."



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Great @jaybee83 , was about to say the same.

 

Well, here's putting it into perspective -

Extraction of practically every mineral from the earth requires 'clearing of vegetation, and affects wildlife, loss of habitat, soil erosion', etc, unless it's gold or other 'noble metal' which appears as the pure metal. Iron is equally bad, yet most of our cars have stainless steel bodies. The blast furnace requires immense amounts of heat (1300+ degrees C) and produces carbon monoxide; titanium, as bad as aluminium; uranium: results in radioactive residue all around; copper: highly toxic copper (II) sulfate is required for the electrolysis process and the production of this CuSO4 in turn requires caustic and highly dangerous concentrated sulfuric acid. Lots more can be added to this list.

I know about the red sludge, etc. It also contains iron, which can in turn be extracted and purified (but then we still need to go through the environmentally-unfriendly process described above), but we don't want to do it; I'm not too sure why.

Our food production uses tonnes and tonnes of fertiliser, which can run off into water sources and aquifers and cause huge algae blooms and kill all other wildlife.

It's easy to descend into the debate of metals vs plastics or production vs post-production, but I was trying to suggest that metals, once extracted, can be easily recycled, unlike many plastics. Also, an aluminium product quickly oxidises and erodes away into the environment, especially if the process is accelerated by rain and other natural processes.

Many so-called bio-degradeable plastics are actually ordinary plastic simply surrounded by more 'organic' material.

Do we stop eating, or stop driving, don't use electricity since it is transmitted in copper wires, or power down all our nuclear power plants? Not possible, is it? We just have to improve our product and process innovation, and research into more environmentally-friendly methods of extracting and producing all the resources that we need.

I cannot wait for nuclear fusion.

 

Two wishes from my end for future Clevo models:

1) Up the build quality. It's not bad per se, but given the starting price of their higher-end systems, I'd expect something at least on par with the new Alienware models. Despite their flaws, those new AW models still feature a much more premium build quality
2) For the love of god Clevo, build a dedicated keyboard specifically for your 17" machines. If that's too hard, just offer to buy keyboards from Alienware. You got plenty of unused chassis space, use it to expand the 17" keyboards, move the arrow keys, get a full-sized 0 key, maybe some macro keys.

 

1) ...and also a much more premium in price. i want my money to go first and foremost into performance, thats what clevo is all about

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And I want my money to go towards a healthy blend of both. A more premium build (implying better materials) would also help with longevity.

 

That also depends on how carefull/reckless you are.

 

Current nuclear fusion projects put small scale reactors to market between 2019-2024!

 

Fusion, in the next 10-20 years for the last 50 years

 

one can just but dream

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http://recode.net/2015/07/01/going-...ill-any-startups-cross-the-finish-line-video/
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one!

 

I saw an article about those private fusion startups in TIME. If I had the money, I would invest in them, too. They're real scientists and physicists with one dream: to save our world, and fusion is the way to go. None of the Republican candidates who support oil/gas/coal/etc. have any idea how primitive these sources are. We're simply just burning them, a trick we learnt a few million years ago.

Australia has a ton of useless, arid, infertile land, as do many Saharan countries. We need better solar panels; we need better everything. Or we're going to wreck this single planet that we can wreck, and who knows what after that.

 

Exactly. Did you know the navy is developing a fusion engine based on Farnsworth field containment for it's subs (read an article on it a year ago)! It uses magnetic containment to collapse the fuel... It's pretty cool! Tokamaks (large cylindrical loop) such as kstar, iter, and demo won't be able to do anything until 2030-2050s!!!

 

Oh I agree it's a requirement for a decent future for our species, it's just a lot harder to do than initially thought

 

Definitely! What I'm mad about is renewables are now at price parity and are being ignored and, at times, suppressed by laws due to lobbying. Wave generation tech is being suppressed, which would more than solve all electrical needs for the US by itself. Here in the US, some engineers developed a renewable plan for all 50 states, going 80% renewable by 2030 and fully renewable by 2050, while not choosing an additional cent to consumers! What did we do? Killed a bill that would have mandated adoption of these measures! In fact, conservative group ALEC, here, is trying to write legislation that would loosen most of our states portfolios, going from around 20% mandate by 2018-2020 down to a suggestion of 15% with no enforcement mechanism (most energy companies here already meet the 15% mark). Sorry, tree hugger here!

 

You do have to be careful regarding the composition of energy generation, too much solar and wind and the grid becomes unstable, the same goes for distributed power, generating power in fixed places vs all over the grid requires different designs of power network.

Of all the places that should have wave energy is scotland, but getting the reliable kit that survives properly for years is not easy.

 

Did you see the tech of the Irish or Scottish wave tech that recently went under? They claimed price parity (although yet to be seen). But I agree, I've seen the advanced systems that allow electricity trades between networks in Europe. It definitely is a balance! But the US's infrastructure is so old!!!

 

I got lectured at university by some of the people working on that wave technology around Scotland. We had a few lectures on it (a few years back now to be fair).

 

If it works (which they ran out of money on development, but the deployed products supposedly were producing the right amount to cost the same with local traditional sources), it is truly one of the best renewables! The ocean never stops!

 

Nothing wrong with that - don't be apologetic. Frankly, we could do with a lot more tree-huggers. That automatically excludes anyone Republican.