New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

No and for good reason. Even though these are enthusiast level machines, they are still manufactured to the lowest common denominator. As such, all it would take is one person not knowing what they are doing wanting a "silent" laptop to destroy their hardware. This is a huge liability for resellers and manufacturers. Now, personally, I'd like a bios default option for max fans. When tweaking or overclocking settings, I like to maximize cooling. It would, for that reason, be nice to set the fans to max in the firmware instead of auto so that you don't have to press fn+1 after the power button. But that is just my thoughts...

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Sorry, I meant that feature as more of a benefit for using Linux and other OS's where the Clevo Control Center isn't available. I am not sure how the current P77xDM / P87xDM bios / control center operates but it would be nice if while plugged in it could just run the fans all the time, moving from the lowest speed while idle up to faster speeds under load. I prefer the dull hum of fans running all the time compared to complete silence followed by fans kicking on then silence again, as load spikes occur.

 

What you are asking for is a change in fan controller, similar to desktops pwm, without hard set on/off degree settings on automatic fans, with the ability for automatic fans to reach 100%. That way it allows a smoother ramping of the blower fan RPMs to deal with the heat as needed. Now something like that I could get behind. Code the auto fan controller not to allow the fan curve for max fans above a specific temp and prevent the bottom of the curve from being set above a specific minimum temp value... It's similar to, but slightly different from, what we currently have. It would take a redesign of current laptop blower fans to utilize it, though. But, if I'm correct, you are speaking about something like that. (But I do want that max fan bios setting, still)

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Yep, basically to have the bios fan controls that are similar to what you might find for a nice desktop board.

I am guessing that what we have right now is probably pretty decent but more control would be great for a machine like this.

 

GTX 1080 is coming in later in May, 1070 in June. I wonder if Clevo will jump on board or wait for Kaby Lake.

Btw DP 1.4 . Dying to see 4k @144Hz now.

 

Kaby Lake is just a firmware update for the DM. They have announced zero info on mobile Pascal! Unless pushing the P775DM, it would make little sense (unless just cranking out a new MB version). You won't get the eDP 1.4 until the come up with an internal display over 60Hz @ 4K. This means, for what you want, you'll have to wait until next year with cannonlake/Volta or Vega.

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Parts actually have to be out before any products based around them can be released usually

 

Kabylake is sidegrade than an upgrade.
Intel Optane is not really expected until 2017 in consumer tech
OLED/HDR monitors are expected in 2017 as well.
No major Win10 feature release
Polaris is expected to match 980/980m performance

Pascal would be good upgrade but nvidia monopoly in laptops means they may choose only to release chips with moderate increase in perf or at charge exorbitant prices. Jury is out on that one.

so all in all a very stagnant year for PC tech. unless Apple pulls a rabbit out of its hat with the MBP reveal expected at WWDC

 

Erm, what's a HDR monitor?

 

edp 1.4 =/= dp1.4. EDP 1.4 only has the DP1.3 bandwidth capabilities but has a lot of updates to PSR which will be useful.

Basically taking the HDR concept and getting a monitor physically capable of showing that brightness/colour range which is well beyond current AdobeRGB (nevermind sRGB).

 

Disregarding price, Pascal should bring a significant improvement to laptop performance.

Performance is all about TDP and if the recent Firestrike leaked benchmarks are to be believed it's around 65% improvement watt-for-watt.

The biggest benefactors here will be the mid-range X60M range around the 60Watt mark. A theoretical 1060M @ 60watt will perform damn near the same as a 980M which is pretty god damn good.
Similarly, skinny laptops packing 75W cards (ie 970M) will be nipping at the heels of the GXX 980.
At the 100W skew (ie 1080M) we should be seeing a bit short of 980Ti levels of performance which is pretty darn epic.

 

Whoa wait, is this essentially the successor of IPS panels in terms of colour performance?

 

Have a look at the article here:
https://developer.nvidia.com/preparing-real-hdr

From a hardware perspective, I'd say we're talking about 10bit+ panels, most likely using OLED panels (as they can escape backlight contrast conflicts current IPS/TN LED panels suffer from).

 

I sure hope that the performance per watt is better this time round. But I too will like to have more overall performance than the Maxwell cards lol

 

I was hoping Optane will have some enthusiast level products by Q3. That and the SM941 from Samsung has me in a holding pattern for a Phoenix purchase.

 

My point wasn't what edp is equal to, my point is many won't adopt it until there is a need. No need, no adoption. Until displays are demanding what edp1.4 provides, they won't stick it in the laptop (which also helps with planned obsolescence). This means, next year when the display tech is cheaper and more prevalent that fully utilizes those advancements and the graphics cards, without doubt, can drive it, they will be more likely to adopt it. That is why I said what I did. Not possibility, but practicality, makes this more likely.

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Mobile Pascal? I was thinking Nvidia could pull off what they did with the 980 Desktop card in a laptop, ie. the new 1080 in a new Clevo 17" chassis, similar to what the 775DM and 870DM are having right now. No more "mobile graphics"

On the display side, even now there has not been announcements from the likes of Asus and Acer regarding 4K@120/144Hz. Gonna be a long wait until laptop displays even got a chance. Come to think of it, back when "3D" was still relevant how long did it take for OEMs to stick a 3D screen on laptops?

 

Nice read, thanks!

 

Won't happen, at least not immediately. The 1080 needs more power and few laptops can handle it. Look at release date of 980m vs. 980 for mobile. You, when greedy, release the next highest after you release the highest to encourage updates for more sales.

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Still hoping for a slimmed down np6110

 

Would be great, but its sadly (again) not happening this year...

 

Apart from obvious hardware upgrades which flaws on the DM machines would you guys want Clevo to fix? I never own a DM so just for the sake of making informed decision when next gen cones about

 

It would be great to see this idiosyncrasy with audio not functioning correctly coming out of sleep mode when the hotkey utility has been uninstalled. It's not a major hindrance, but a little silly.

Was there something you were referring to, specifically, about why you chose not to own a DM machine? Any input on what you'd like to see changed?

 

The eDP 1.4b TCONs already exist:
http://www.paradetech.com/products/displayport-lcd-timing-controller-products/dp691/

The existing GM204 core already supports eDP1.4:
international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/pdfs/GeForce_GTX_980_Whitepaper_FINAL.PDF

For all we know, there's already panels in machines shipping with eDP 1.4 TCONs.

 

You gotta be kidding me, right? 200 W performance with a mid-range card at 60 W? That's like having a full-fledged GTX 970 in a laptop, and VR-ready to boot. I like what I'm hearing, but I'll believe it when I see it...

 

You might've misread. I compared a theoretical 1060M to a 980M (as in mobile, not the desktop thing). The 980M is a 100W chip. So 100W -> 60W.
That is assuming the GP104 chip can scale down to that or if they create a lower end chip with similar performance-per-watt characteristics.

 

We would have to wait for a GP106 type chip for that of course.

 

That audio problem exists even on my 750ZM right now. I always thought it was a Windows 10 issue. Anyhow I was perfectly happy with the first Batman, and knowing that Pascal would arrive in 2016 there's no point upgrading since the DM machines were still on Maxwell like ZMs.

 

Guys do we have preview for computex 2016 clevo booth?

 

Meh. So nothing exciting this year huh

 

Any information of a new clevo in computex? It would be great a 18 inch model with gsync and SLI with MXM complete module.

 

No news relating to new laptop Clevos along those lines (as far as I have seen). Usually, as soon as anything new comes out, the forums light up shortly after.

 

It makes sense for nothing new, as I've said for over a month now. The new kaby lake processor just requires a firmware update. Why put out a new model?

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There is still going to be a new 200 series chipset released with it though.

Of note, It seems that Thunderbolt3 will be baked directly into the platform (probably PCH, but maybe directly into the CPU given it's throughput requirements) which is fantastic. Currently it's separately supplied by the Alpine Ridge chipset which takes up PCIE lanes off the PCH (in most cases) and is therefore optional.

Basically, it's a full committal to TB3 and we should be seeing it as a default feature on Kaby Lake systems, rather than optional. Hopefully this means all Kaby Lake refresh models should come with TB3 by default such as the P600 series and N100 series.

 

You likely won't see this until the 1080m is ready, if at all, as far as models with desktop chips. I could be wrong, but you have to get rid of inventory on current systems and having new chipset and video card makes more sense than just a board revision. Unless you have inside info to contradict that, the silence at the conference speaks volumes...

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Mmmmm, the new 18 inch panel and 120hz gsync, thats not enough reason?

 

From a business standpoint, no

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I dissagre



It Will be sold...

 

It isn't that. 18"screens aren't really produced, and it is a limited market. Your wants don't always make for good business. I want a Skylake 2011 socket machine, but once again, niche.

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Adding 4x PCI-E to the CPU would require some serious pin work.

 

New Clevo Pascal refreshes and 120hz FHD display from Computex!

https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/9968-clevocomputex-2016/

 

They aren't adding more lanes to the CPU itself. The likely scenario is the TB3 chipset will be integrated directly into the PCH. But this only applies to socket 1151. Also have to consider the timeline to PCIE4.0 as that basically doubles the available bandwidth. More specifically, assuming DMI is updated as well, that doubles the bandwidth to the PCH and thus fixing the DMI 3.0 bottleneck in current models.

On a related note, it could have huge ramifications on BGA mobile processors though as Intel may shift more towards SoCs instead of standalone CPU+PCH. Especially given there's a bucketload of physical space on the CPU die. There's also added efficiency benefits to bringing the PCH onboard. This has already proven hugely successful in the Broadwell based Xeon-D series where the perf/watt exceeds almost every other CPU model.

 

His point was 8 lanes to the gpu leaves nothing else. 8 to the two pcie ssd. You then have 8 pcie 3.0 lanes left to share among all other components, such as Wi-Fi, usb, thunderbolt. As Prema showed, there is a refresh, but you are still limited. Also, kaby uses pcie 3.0, so why you are saying it fixes it...

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Thanks for the heads-up.

the link is broken ^^, I think techinferno is out of service.

 

Link still works for me?

 

Works for me too..

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How long does Clevo usually take to put new notebooks to market after Nvidia makes it's mobile presentation?

Also, is anyone expecting a 1080m and 1080 dektop for mobile pair from the start or is that just wishful thinking?

 

I've been reading a Fall release, back-to-school time frame. Not sure when dealers will get them in their hands...hopefully close to that same time frame.

 

yep the link works for me now .

Expect an october release for pascal mobile powergel

 

You mean 16 I take it? I was assuming Meaker was thinking that I originally meant adding a whole new set of PCIE lanes to the CPU to feed the TB3 chipset only.

That's not how it works at all.

The CPU has 16 PCIE3.0 lanes of it's own. These are by Intel's own design, supposed to be for GPUs only (Platform Overview specifically calls them "PCIE Express* 3.0 Graphics). In the case of Clevo's all 16 lanes go to the single GPU models, or split 8/8 for the P870DM.

Everything else you see is fed off the PCH which is linked back to the CPU via DMI3.0 which is roughly equivalent to another 4 PCIE3 lanes of bandwidth. That does not occupy the CPU lanes in any way. Furthermore, Kaby Lake is increasing the lane count on the PCH from 20 to 24.

You can see all this in action in the Clevo service manuals.

Everyone seems to be a master of missing the point here. The point is, Thunderbolt3 (ie Alpine Ridge chipset) is being integrated DIRECTLY into the platform (probably PCH) and essentially becoming a standard as with USB/SATA and all the other stuff we expect on board.

That's not to say that improvements couldn't have been made to DMI which would open up the bottleneck. I'm guessing PCIE4 may arrive with Cannonlake.

What I'm suggesting is Intel may shift everything to a SoC design (Such as used in the U/Y processors, new Broadwell Xeon-D and Avoton/Rangely Atom series)where all of this is not an issue because it's literally all in the CPU:
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9070/Slide 24 - SoC Architecture.png