New batch of Clevo notebooks for 2015-2016 wishes/expectations?

Presto!

 

Case in point: the W230SS is unnecessarily thick and has some glaring design flaws, that can probably be fixed all while making the laptop thinner. And thinner = smaller and lighter = more portable. Not everyone gets a laptop just to bolt it to a desk. Some people are still in school/university and have to lug a 4-5 kg hunk of metal and plastic around. Not cool.

That's also why I don't want Clevo to abandon the small laptops. I honestly think that they could put a GTX 970M in a W230SS-sized case with several design changes and have only a
a minimal increase in core temperatures.

And please don't unnecessarily hate on Apple. Their laptops are fairly decent. You need to be a little more pragmatic and neutral...

 

I stand corrected... didn't know they actually went through with releasing the quad-core mobile cpus for Broadwell.

 

The chassis your laptop uses was in a different era, also yours is lighter due to less metal in it.

 

The main thing I require from a laptop is the hardware function as intended. Throttling of hardware is unacceptable regardless of brand. All brand that produces a laptop with such problems must either make better cooling even when the laptop gets thinner, or they must increase the thickness so that cooling can be good enough. But unfortunately cooling is often worse the thinner they create the laptop. The alternative to better cooling is to put in a weaker processor. Anything else is unacceptable when you experience throttling of the hardware in a laptop.

 

I don't know - I have used MacBook Pros in particularly intensive situations - i.e. 3D rendering with Blender, video processing and BOINC computation - it didn't throttle. Temperatures were really high but I never managed to get it to throttle. This was on last year's retina 15" model with the dGPU.

If there's one thing that Apple truly sucks at, it's pricing their machines according to their specs. $3500 (in my currency) for a R7 370X is a (very expensive) joke.

 

As this works an Apple MacBook Pro Retina 15 (Mid 2015). Not exactly full speed. Rather full throttle/trottling. This is undesirable. The same is starting to happen with most laptops when they start to become much thinner. Thus; Thinner design = worse cooling = throttling of the hardware. As stated in previous posts; This is starting to become a major problem regardless of brand.

 

Having a wide selection of machines is good since everyone has different requirements. It's what makes notebooks so much more interesting than desktops where a single machine can cover a vast part of the market.

 

You can always count on Clevo to provide thick notebook chassis!

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What I'd really like to see from Clevo, is the ability to update to new GPUs without Prema saving the day.

 

A thin, well built machine with Iris and Thunderbolt 3 is my biggest wish. I won't be buying any more laptops without TB3 from now on, this is a good chance for Clevo to win me back, assuming other manufacturers follow the trend of putting TB on absolutely nothing.

 

I mean my laptop is only a year old. I know the added more heat sinks and what not to the batman and still made it thinner. It's only slightly heavier, but I don't care about heaviness. Thinner makes it easier to travel because it takes up less space. Plus thinner looks cooler. When your laptop is 2 inches thick and you bring it in to Starbucks, everyone stares. I had one girl blurt out " wow that's a really old laptop. Is it from the 90s!!??"

 

And when she says "Jump from that bridge!", you do that too, don't you?

I don't understand why everyone jumps on the thinner-hype-train just because someone (in the end: Apple or marketing as a whole) says that it looks cooler. And although you get lesser cooling, higher price and more problems by going this way, it looks even more cool! Ah... it doesnt matter that it's worse, just buy it!

 

my p650SG is cooler (speaking of temps), lighter and slimmer than my ex-p150EM or GT60... so for me it's not about sacrifice and compromise, it's about, with a now, 14nm or maybe 10nm get an even cooler, slimmer and lighter laptop. If they were able to do that with the p650sg than they can with intel skylake/boradwell + Nvidia Pascal.

 

The chassis was introduced with the p150hm back in 2012. The P150 is lighter, less wide and less deep, it's thicker towards the back as things are stacked more on top of each other.

Different people do have different requirements but Clevo/sager agree the balance has changed so the newer designs have moved things around.

But being properly designed unlike those macbooks that person likely covers it wont throttle to hell when you come to do some work on it

 

That's close to what I'm waiting to see to pal ! I don't really need a super thin xps/mbp like machine but the thunderbolt 3 is what I want. So far I'm mostly hearing talks about usb 3.1 which is okay but the real news I'm waiting for is to see that tb port finally on the newer skylake machines. If I don't then my next machine will have to be a desktop. I'm fine with waiting but I hope all this waiting is not in vein. So far not one article or person has confirmed a decent notebook with tb. Decent meaning it has a quad core with at least a operating frequency of 2.5-3.6ghz, with at least a 970m or more dgpu.

A new pxxxZM with thunderbolt 3 would be perfect for me. Although, I wouldn't mind a hybrid like a skylake mobile 4 core cpu that turbos past 3.7ghz, combined with a mxm socket gpu, and a tb3 port, basically like a mix between the pxxSG and the pxxxZM. That would be a good replacement for the missing clevo SM-A's that recently have been discontinued and I would consider that as well.

Lmao haha thats funny ! Looking at the 8258 it looks really thick even thicker than the 8268 which pretty much shared the same internals. Anyway, I got the point you were making and technology over time will keep shrinking chips and machines so they can be smaller yet more powerful than before. That thing really made me laugh... but I think the point of your comment was that ZM machines are proof that a machine can be a bit thinner yet powerful and upgradable...at least that's the gist I got from all this.

Apple is a bit over my budget but I have to say they do make very impressive portable machines for people who need that kinda thing. For light video editing, web surfing and movie watching ect it gets it done. Im not a fan of the osx but for battery life and portability the mbp is at the top along with the other thin types. I do agree that people can fall into the bandwagon of assuming one brand is superior due to marketing ect.. but in this case I think he was just being honest how he felt and he wants a machine a bit thinner. Whats the point of all this die shrinkage and Moore's law if the machines continue to be super thick and heavy lol. Just like the clevo pxxxsg and pxxxzm, machines are getting smaller yet retaining usability as powerful desktop replacements.

 

the new apple laptops thermal throttle like crazy

 

P65xSG has equivalent if-not-better-than GPU cooling than P17xSM.

Thinner chassis and decent cooling are not mutually exclusive!

It all boils down to the fact that consumers should have a choice. And thankfully we still do - just a Clevo example; P75xZM is thicker/heavier and can handle desktop CPUs, P65xSx is thinner/lighter and can only handle mobile CPUs. There's a product for both groups of people.

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Guys, skylake coming out this august
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/438/438211_all.htm#2

this includes a test i7 6700k
preliminary tests show barely any improvement over 4790k in cinebench or 3d mark

but this thing does support hardware accelerated HEVC decoding and has 40% improvement in openGL...

 

a different link comparing haswell vs skylake and it says only two skylake cpu's will be released on august 5th.
http://wccftech.com/wipintel-skylak...-leaked-tested-ecs-z170-claymore-motherboard/

I think the 35w v i7 6700T with ht 4cores are actually quite impressive and will be great in a notebook like the batman and will keep temps down. 35 w on a desktop is ideal for this since most mobile haswell had a 45w. They should also have a manual switcher mux so that the dgpu can be turned off when not needed to save battery which would be a better solution to optimus while also putting the igpu to use for those zm (desktop cpu) laptops.

Glad I held out now more than ever August is not that far away

 

Might hold off until next year for Pascal too.

 

taken from :
http://wccftech.com/wipintel-skylak...-leaked-tested-ecs-z170-claymore-motherboard/


Intel Skylake-S Desktop Processors Lineup
Model Process Cores Core Clock Boost Clock Cache Memory Support TDP Socket Unlocked Design
Core i7-6700K 14nm 4/8 4.0 GHz 4.2 GHz 8 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 95W LGA 1151 Yes
Core i5-6600K 14nm 4/4 3.5 GHz 3.9 GHz 6 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 95W LGA 1151 Yes
Core i7-6700 14nm 4/8 3.4 GHz 4.0 GHz 8 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 65W LGA 1151 No
Core i5-6600 14nm 4/4 3.3 GHz 3.9 GHz 6 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 65W LGA 1151 No
Core i5-6500 14nm 4/4 3.2 GHz 3.6 GHz 6 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 65W LGA 1151 No
Core i5-6400 14nm 4/4 2.7 GHz 3.3 GHz 6 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 65W LGA 1151 No
Core i7-6700T 14nm 4/8 2.8 GHz 3.6 GHz 8 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 35W LGA 1151 No
Core i5-6600T 14nm 4/4 2.7 GHz 3.5 GHz 6 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 35W LGA 1151 No
Core i5-6500T 14nm 4/4 2.5 GHz 3.1 GHz 6 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 35W LGA 1151 No
Core i5-6400T 14nm 4/4 2.2 GHz 2.8 GHz 6 MB DDR4 2133 MHz 35W LGA 1151 No


The 35w 6700T would be ideal for a sm-a replacement !
and the other 65 w and 95w i7s will be very nice in a batman

Im curious as to what the skylake mobile chips will be like now?

 

Dont overestimate Skylake, it will not be the Hyper-Super-CPU-Generation. It will just be another small step forward like the predecessors showed.

And regarding improvements... i7-4790S (3,2 GHZ up to 4 GHz, 65W) shows nearly the same specs as the i7-6700 (3.4 GHz up to 4 GHz, 65W). Where is the big improvement?

Your comparison of a new tdp class (35W) with an old one (45W) does not make much sense. Please inform yourself about how the current TDP ranking works. It does not only (like it was, when invented) show how much power a CPU approximately draws. It now shows when the CPU will throttle, even if the CPU would need more power to achieve the speed it promises.

DDR4 will give no benefit regarding gaming, too.

If you want more gaming power, you should stick with @SRSR333 recommendation.

 

The main difference will be some connectivity options storage and USB wise. Nice but not earth shattering.

 

I'm not overestimating anything, and I'm insulted you even suspect me as much. Then you go on to ask me where the big improvement is since the I7 6700 is much like the 4790s ? Did I make the thing ? how would I know pal as a matter of fact did the 6700 even release yet? So dont we still have to wait anyway to see how it all shapes up. Like I said 3 posts ago I'm waiting to see how win X and skylake pan out before I even make a move. You already made your moves you already have a batman, I have made no moves in years so for me ...um I think I have the right to be excited (if I really was excited) since I never owned a haswell or any machine with a quadcore for that matter outside of work.

What my comparison of 35w with a old 45w makes no sense ? well it shouldn't because guess what I never made no comparison I only said what was on my mind and that was "35w for a desktop cpu seems pretty low since haswell laptop cpus were around the 45w range and that's all with that lol. I don't need to go into anymore than I already have since its based from that article. The you further drag dirt on my shoes by tellling me ddr4 will offer no real benefit to gaming like I wasn't apart of the numerous discussions on this forum. Again your looking at a from a somewhat selfish vantage point both you and meaker because you made your purchases and your comparing it to the batman and the haswell cpus and machines you already have or had, but I'm comparing these things to the 6yo hp dualcore I have.

And finally I'm not hyped to where you people gota tell me to calm down one bit lol, I was looking for a machine with a tb3 and or some upgradable ones with sm-a like price ranges and specs from clevo and so far I see nothing like that. This is only the first rendition of the skylake on the new sockets but there will be more to come so for a start it is something to notice how more efficient the new skylake is according to the articles but that's it ! If nothing hits by late august I'm going full blown desktop, while I wait for a laptop that bests suits my needs.

edit: its like people cant express anything on these forums anymore lol

 

The heatsink in batman is overkill for a CPU like that, nothing stopping you getting the K and having a TDP limited profile for when you want that and then an unleashed profile (which you wont be able to do with that T CPU) for when you need it.

 

The i5k is what I had in mind meaker and I still do, here's how I'm thinking, if by mid august I don't see nothing I fancy I might just get the haswell batbook or a desktop and call it a day. I think the 35w quadcore 6700t would be better suited for a smaller sm-a style replacement but in the zm it may be a little under spec. However for those that want a cool notebook with power and dont want to fidget with any xtu tweaking then the 35w desctop cpu will suit them. I have to admit I rather have overkill heatsinks than my machine getting toasty you know what I mean.

I honestly would rather a skylake version of the ZM mainly due to the efficiency of the lower end chips and the future upgrade possibilities since the 1151 socket will be the new standard for a few years I imagine. Plus I waited all this time already so since skylake releases next month along with win x I feel like I have no choice but to wait and see what happens.

 

yup. thats exactly my point. im not asking for the next ZM machine to be super thin. just a little. even if it's like 1/4 of a centimeter and barely noticable lol. plus maybe sharper edges

 

I hope Clevo knows when not to listen! This is what thinner gets you:
P750ZM thicker

P650SG thinner

Two 9.5mm drives vs one. Give me thicker!

 

The risk with even thinner laptops is that the laptop manufacturer maybe design new thin laptops for use of M.2 slots and only one 2.5"slot. Maybe remove all 2.5" slots in the next round. Memory chips, Wifi, cpu and gpu soldered. Not much you can upgrade on a laptop anymore. Use and throw mentality. Welcome to the future. Not exactly green... Thin modern laptops must also have thin beautiful designed weak power supplies too. Must be in line with the new thin laptop design LoL

 

Here's my wishlist as an incoming college student:
P650SG (or similar, whatever the name would be):
- Intel Skylake
- DDR4 RAM
- Nvidia Maxwell (probably too late to wait for Pascal, school starts in around 2 months)
- 2 M.2 slots (preferred both PCIE x4)
- 2 7.5 or 9.5mm slots for HDDs
- same 1080p IPS display (preferred G-sync)
- optical drive (may need it in some cases)

I don't think I want it to be thinner to sacrifice the cooling system, but not too thick as well. I think they should just stay the same thickness, no changes.

 

I don't think the chipset supports 8X PCI-E gen3, I think it's max 4x.

 

Would it be possible that they split the 4x to two 2x for two M.2 SSDs? It might bottleneck the fastest M.2 PCIe SSDs out there, but still faster than SATA.

 

The current ZMs do just that. http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=802&lang=en

As for PCIe x2 being faster than SATA, for sequential transfers, sure, but as an OS drive, nope.

 

Interesting... Is PCIe 2.0 x4 better for an OS drive than SATA?

 

What bullrun is getting at is that OS drives are dominated by small reads/writes (look at a drive's 4k read/write). These reads/writes have generally been an order of magnitude slower than larger sequential reads/writes (which are much faster), so they aren't anywhere closed to saturating a SATA bus, let alone a PCIe (x2/x4/etc) one. That is, the answer remains the same for any PCIe speed. A PCIe drive that uses NVMe (rather than AHCI) would possibly perform better as an OS drive, but I'm not sure off the top of my head what the calculated % difference is between NVMe and AHCI.

 

It would be much of a muchness really I think, but yes 2x PCI-E gen 3 slots would be very nice still.

 

Aye, I was perplexed when I benchmarked my new SM951 and saw 'only' ~1600MB/s sequential read. I quickly realised that all the reviews finding sequential reads of ~2150MB/s were using PCIe 3.0 M.2. slots. Was disappointed, but then after some more thought concluded that it's still a big improvement vs my older Plextor M6e that I had my Windows installation on before. At least I know that there's unlocked potential for the future!

I'd love to see two PCIe M.2. slots on the refreshed P65xSx series, as my Plextor M6e is sitting idly, all useless currently. I have no way to wipe the drive clean and sell it on, having only one compatible slot - a silly oversight of mine!

 

Your CPU to chipset port only supports around that speed anyway so even if the PCI-Express lanes were faster it would not help. Skylake is also getting a chipset -> CPU bus speed increase.

 

I want Tri SLI slim laptops with non soldered CPU/GPU.

 

I like this guy. And I wouldn't mind GTX Titan X performance in a Surface Pro form factor. Or maybe even the Tianhe-2 supercomputer with 34 petaFLOPS performance. And nuclear fusion power. And superluminal communications. Maybe throw in a Star Trek tritium warp drive.

 

My wishlist for future clevo machines are better build quality and assurance, some implementation of USB type c with TB and DP support, hdmi 2. I would hope for better build quality and assurance over anything really. As an example p650sg is great but the plastic frame around the lcd has a corner that does not snap to lock, a corner that pushes the lcd too tightly allowing for terrible light bleeds, and a top part where there is space to insert a card board between the frame and the lcd. I paid Si$3000 (Singapore) for this laptop but the quality leaves a lot to be desired. I also expected a UEFI bios but we only got a basic bios.

They should also add a feature that automatically shuts off charging when the battery is full and have it start charging again only when the battery is 80%.

 

I'm sorry but that's not the norm. Whoever put together your screen simply butchered it. I have no such issues on my end. Maybe get it checked/replaced under warranty?

As to "wishes/expectations," to keep myself from wishing for Tri SLI slim, warp-driven notebooks ( ) *cough,* I'll be humble and say I expect Clevo to keep doing what they've already been doing. They seem to be the only company/ODM trying to innovate while not compromising on the full power, upgradability and performance of their notebooks. For that they deserve a hats-off and the benefit of the doubt in dictating any future improvements...at least until they disappoint us greatly in any way, which we all hope doesn't happen. Since I purchased not too long ago, I won't be buying again anytime soon but everything Clevo appears to have planned for their 2015/2016 refresh sounds plenty for me. At the gamer/enthusiast notebook level they're still in a league of their own, IMO. But ofc we can still dream right?

 

That depends on the drive. SM951, yes.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6906/samsung-850-pro-256gb-three-drive-ssd-raid-report/index3.html

 

I wonder if clevo will release firmware updates for NVMe for existing models like P65xSx or P75xZM series

 

Forget a tri-sli solution, a titan-x class card with the cooling to match, who knows HBM could get us there where a standard MXM slot could be used just the heatsink is monstrous.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/rumor-amd-gets-priority-advantage-to-hynix-hbm2.html

 

Yes AMD has it for now, I'd like a die shrunk fury-x and titan-x please, a nice competitive market would be awesome.

 

Anything officially released regarding when this new refresh is coming?

 

Probably not until after August 5th (or when ever Intel is hosting Skylake's coming out party).